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    Jesus of the East

    Although Jesus’s death on the cross, resurrection and ascension to Heaven are fundamental to the Christian faith, a number of stories persist that He travelled in the East and is buried there. Simon Price reviews the claims for the Saviour’s final resting place.


    By Simon Price
    Fortean Times | May 2004


    The interior of the Roza Bal, showing the ornate wooden sepulchre which once covered the tomb.

    The final resting places of the holy and the revered have always been popular attractions, inspiring pilgrimage and drawing those who wish to pay homage to sacred figures. Which isn’t to say that all such tombs contain the relics of the saintly or pious; after all, Red Square and Graceland receive their annual complement of visitors, intent on paying their respects to the departed souls of Lenin and Elvis.

    But there is one tomb, in Srinagar, capital of Kashmir, the contested northern province of India, which has never become such a centre – although there are millions of people around the world for whom its purported occupant is the holiest of all holy men.
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    Central to Ghulam Ahmad’s treatise is the notion that, after the crucifixion, Christ travelled towards India in search of the lost tribes (rather than, as in Notovitich’s version, during his so-called ‘lost years’). Ahmad also states vociferously, and provocatively, that Buddhism owes a specific debt to Jesus’s journey. Some have argued that there are, indeed, perceptible similarities between the teachings of Christ and Buddha, similarities that go beyond any mere notion of the world’s religions sharing certain underlying precepts or worldviews. While some people may have been convinced that elements of Buddhism crept into Christ’s teachings in some form or another, Ghulam Ahmad turned this idea on its head, stating that after Christ taught extensively throughout India and neighbouring countries his teachings were appropriated and approximated by Buddhist monks and then passed on as the words of the Buddha. It is only, perhaps, when compared to other religions that the common elements we find in the philosophies of Buddha and Christ take on a very distinct form that might lend credence to such an idea.

    Most notably though, what Ghulam Ahmad’s treatise tackles head-on is the most controversial element of the whole ‘Jesus in India’ theory – that if we accept that Jesus died at the age of 120 in India, then there arises inevitably a fundamental question about Christ’s crucifixion and death. This, as the very cornerstone of Christianity, cannot easily be glossed over. Ghulam Ahmad was not the first to challenge the idea of Christ’s death and subsequent resurrection, but he was the first to do so in a relatively far-reaching publication.
    ...more - http://www.forteantimes.com/features..._the_east.html
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    Jesus in India
    Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

    Preface
    Introduction
    Chapter One
    Chapter Two
    Chapter Three
    Chapter Four
    Appendix

    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

    CHAPTER 1

    Let it be noted that though Christians believe that Jesus (peace be on him) after his arrest through the betrayal by Judas Iscariot, and crucifixion -- and resurrection -- went to heaven, yet, from the Holy Bible, it appears that this belief of theirs is altogether wrong. Matthew (chapter 12, verse 40) says that just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the bowels of the earth. Now it is clear that Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; the utmost that happened was that he was in a swoon or a fit of fainting. The holy books of God bear witness that Jonah, by the grace of God, remained alive in the belly of the fish, and came out alive; and his people ultimately accepted him. If then Jesus (on whom be peace) had died in the belly of the 'fish', what resemblance could there be between a dead man and the one who was alive, and how could a living one be compared with one dead?

    The truth rather is, that as Jesus was a true prophet and as he knew that God, whose beloved he was, would save him from an accursed death, he made a prophecy in the form of a parable, revealed to him by God, in which he hinted that he would not die on the Cross, nor would he give up the ghost on the accursed wood; on the contrary, like the prophet Jonah, he would only pass through a state of swoon. In the parable he had also hinted that he would come out of the bowels of the earth and would then join the people and, like Jonah, would be honoured by them.

    So this prophecy too was fulfilled; for Jesus, coming out of the bowels of the earth, went to his tribes who lived in the eastern countries, Kashmir and Tibet, etc. viz. the ten tribes of the Israelites who 721 years1 before Jesus, had been taken prisoner from Samaria by Shalmaneser, King of Assur, and had been taken away by him. Ultimately, these tribes came to India and settled in various parts of that country. Jesus at all events must have made this journey; for the divine object underlying his advent was that he should meet the lost Jews who had settled in different parts of India; the reason being that these in fact were the lost sheep of Israel who had given up even their ancestral faith in these countries, and most of whom had adopted Buddhism, relapsing, gradually into idolatry.

    Dr. Bernier, on the authority of a number of learned people, states in his Travels that the Kashmiris in reality are Jews who in the time of the dispersal in the days of the King of Assur had migrated to this country.2


    In any case it was necessary for Jesus (peace be on him) to find out the whereabouts of these lost sheep, who had, on coming to this country, India, become merged into the other people. I shall presently adduce evidence that Jesus (peace be on him) did in fact come to India and then, by stages, travelled to Kashmir, and discovered the lost sheep of Israel among the people who professed the Buddhist faith and that these people ultimately accepted him, just as the people of the prophet Jonah accepted Jonah. And this was inevitable, for Jesus had said in so many words that he had been sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

    ...more - http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

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    Holger Kersten:
    "It is simply of vital importance to find again the path to the sources, to the eternal and central truths of Christ's message, which has been shaken almost beyond recognition by the profane ambitions of more or less secular institutions arrogating to themselves a religious authority. This is an attempt to open a way to a new future, firmly founded in the true spiritual and religious sources of the past".
    Thus begins Holger Kersten's book "Jesus Lived in India". This German book is a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the evidence of Christ's life beyond the Middle East before the Crucifixion and in India and elsewhere after it.

    This article is a summary of Kersten's exhaustive research into Christ's travels after the Crucifixion, his arrival in India with the Mother Mary and finally his death and entombment in Kashmir. Kersten notes the many parallels of Christ's teachings with other religious and cultural traditions and suggests that at least some of these figures may have been one and the same personality. It is not possible, Kersten asserts, to disprove that Christ went to India. The current information documenting Christ's life is restricted to the gospels and the work of Church theologians. One can hardly trust these sources to be objective considering their obvious interest in maintaining the authority of their Church and its grip on the masses.

    The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest that Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian scholar and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several journeys to the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint called "Issa". Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels of Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life, teachings and crucifixion.

    For about sixteen years, Christ travelled through Turkey, Persia, Western Europe and possibly England. He finally arrived with Mary to a place near Kashmir, where she died. After many years in Kashmir, teaching to an appreciative population, who venerated him as a great prophet, reformer and saint, he died and was buried in a tomb in Kashmir itself.

    The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work "Jami-ut-tuwarik" which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by royal invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This is reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's "Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-tubri." Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are ancient stories of a saint called "Yuz Asaf" ("Leader of the Healed"), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably similar to that of Christ.

    ...more - http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
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    And then there is -

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    Yuz Asaf
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    Yuz Asaf is a prophet revered among the Sabians. Al-Tabari recorded that Judasaf or Budasaf as he is also known called his people to the religion of the Sabians that Bishtasb and his father Luhrasb, the rulers of Persia after Kai Khosrow, had previously embraced until Sami and Zoroaster came to Bishtasb with their beliefs.[1] He is believed by Ahmadis to be the name adopted by Jesus after he allegedly survived the crucifixion and subsequently traveled to Jammu and Kashmir, India.

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    BBC Video:
    Did Jesus Die on the Cross?


    A Research Documentary on Jesus Surviving crucifixion and migrating to Kashmir with sub-titles in Urdu. Founder of Ahmadiyya movement in Islam (Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani "A.S") said 100 years earlier thah Allah (God) has told him that Jesus had died a natural death. Thus he did not ascend bodily to heavens as believed both by Muslims and Christians.

    Ahmaiyya Movement in Islam preach "Love For All Hatred for None". We strongly reject hatred and terrorism in the name of Religion.

    VIDEO(30min)- http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...=Did+Jesus+Die
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    After Jesus was in India for a while he looked more like this -


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    He also made it to Japan. zg
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    Jesus Christ was their ancestor, they keep His grave in Japan!

    Author: Augustin Vidović

    If you did ever read or hear of the best-seller "Da Vinci code", you know its main topic: Jesus Christ lived after the cross, married, had children, and so on, and his descendants are still living nowadays... but your aren't as likely to have heard of some remote village located in the northern regions of Japan, where since ancient times are located Jesus Christ's tomb, his testament (yes, He wrote His will, in Japanese!), as well as his still living descendants!

    SHINGO VILLLAGE, Japan--Jesus Christ's direct descendant is a garlic
    farmer living in northeast Japan, or so residents in this isolated
    village say.

    According to local legend, Jesus escaped here after the Romans tried to
    crucify him and died a peaceful death at the age of 106 after having
    fathered three daughters by a Japanese woman.



    Whatever one makes of the legend, there must remain fascinating bits of
    mystery in a Shingo village.

    For centuries, villagers practiced customs unknown to the rest of Japan.
    Newborn babies wore swaddling clothes embroidered with a Star of David.
    Up to about 10 years ago, newborns had a cross painted in black ink on
    their foreheads.

    Villagers use words that other people don't understand--their words for
    father and mother are apa and aya, which they say come from the language
    Jesus spoke.

    ...more - http://www.zetetique.ldh.org/herai_en.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    He also made it to Japan.
    The Book of Mormon says that Jesus visited North America, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    The Book of Mormon says that Jesus visited North America, as well.
    There are even stories in the Bible about Jesus visiting other places, but that was AFTER he died on the cross and rose from the dead. He appeared to Mary Magdalene at the site of his tomb. He appeared to his apostles in their locked meeting room. He appeared to two travelers on the road to Emmaus. He was spotted by Peter and other apostles on the beach while they were fishing; he even stuck around and ate some fish with them.

    He has appeared to various saints down through the ages.

    All of this was after he died and rose from the dead. Of course, he didn't look dead, since he was alive from the dead. Maybe some of these people you cited above actually did see him; how would they know he had previously died and risen from the dead unless he told them? They may have "assumed" he had not died since there he was with them.

    OTOH, many have reported seeing Elvis, but I don't put much credence in their reports. Let's just say, you either believe, or you don't believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    There are even stories in the Bible about Jesus visiting other places, but that was AFTER he died on the cross and rose from the dead. He appeared to Mary Magdalene at the site of his tomb. He appeared to his apostles in their locked meeting room. He appeared to two travelers on the road to Emmaus. He was spotted by Peter and other apostles on the beach while they were fishing; he even stuck around and ate some fish with them.

    He has appeared to various saints down through the ages.

    All of this was after he died and rose from the dead. Of course, he didn't look dead, since he was alive from the dead. Maybe some of these people you cited above actually did see him; how would they know he had previously died and risen from the dead unless he told them? They may have "assumed" he had not died since there he was with them.

    OTOH, many have reported seeing Elvis, but I don't put much credence in their reports. Let's just say, you either believe, or you don't believe.
    The late Marilyn Ferguson channeled him to us on a few occaisions. Marilyn channeled by keyboard, typing and verbalizing both sides. She referred to many whom she channeled as the 'gone-yonders.' He, she called 'the J of N.' Extraordinary Being. Even the Katweez would be in awe. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    The late Marilyn Ferguson channeled him to us on a few occaisions. Marilyn channeled by keyboard, typing and verbalizing both sides. She referred to many whom she channeled as the 'gone-yonders.' He, she called 'the J of N.' Extraordinary Being. Even the Katweez would be in awe. zg
    I remain in awe of the ability of the gullible to fall for the old channeling trick. Mohammed channeled Allah for years, and that became the Koran.
    An American lady shrink channeled Jesus and that is the large book called The Course in Miracles. At the moment I'm channeling both Genghis Khan, Hitler and Alexander the Great for tips on how to best handle Pitbosses poking their noses in where it's not wanted. I remain in awe of how awful channeling can be. Gee, at a recent New Age Fair I was clipped $25 for a 20-min session; the adept channeled his favorite alien who happened to be nearby on his (unseen) UFO. As soon as I finish with the dudes, I'll call up Marilyn F and ask her if this stuff is real or not.

    Meanwhile, I just channeled Jeebus meself and here's the results...


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    I took a cultural anthropology class that covered as part of the course religion and prophecy. The anthropologists observed many cultures looking at their shaman and other spiritual leaders. There was a common element around the world in all the older cultures. There were those that channeled spirits. They all did it in a similar fashion. They used the beat of a drum that was synchronized with human brain waves (of course the shaman are unlikely to know this). This made them susceptible to what you might call possession or channeling. I have found that some music just stresses me out badly almost right away. I get physically ill quite quickly. These are music that has a specific drum beat and evil lyrics. The same drum beat and uplifting lyrics has a soothing affect. I know I am sensitive to the spirit world and always figured the beat was the same as the anthropologists observed and I could not stand an evil spirit trying to come in contact with my essence. Obviously I am thinking the evil lyrics attract evil spirits while the uplifting lyrics attracts good spirits and the drum beat allows those susceptible to feel the spirit. If I were an evil person I suppose the evil lyrics would not affect me but the uplifting lyrics would make me feel uncomfortable. Realize it is the spirits and not the lyrics that actually make those susceptible uncomfortable.

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    Jesus in India?
    The Myth of the Lost Years


    by Acharya S/D.M. Murdock



    Over the centuries, the claim has repeatedly been made that Jesus Christ not only walked the earth but also spent his early and post-crucifixion years in a variety of places, including Egypt, India, Great Britain, Japan and America. Indeed, traditions maintain that Jesus, the great godman of the West, lived, learned, loved and died in such places. Popular modern literature also purports that Jesus sired children, who then became the ancestors of various royal families of Europe, including France and/or elsewhere, depending on the author.

    The allegation of Christ being a kingly progenitor is extremely convenient and useful for European royal families, obviously. Unfortunately for the European claimants, however, India also has a tradition that Jesus went there and likewise fathered children. So too does Shingo, Japan, allege that Jesus ended up there after the crucifixion, having children with a Japanese wife.

    Other tales depict Jesus "walking the Americas" or bopping about Glastonbury, England, with his "uncle," Joseph of Arimathea. Not all of these tales can be true, obviously, unless Jesus is polymorphous and phantasmagoric, a perspective that in reality represents that of the mythologist or mythicist.

    To wit, regardless of these fables, or, rather, because of them, the most reasonable conclusion regarding Jesus and where he may or may not have been is that he is a mythical character, not a historical personage who trotted the globe.

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