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    Heres definetly one of might favorite parables, some good spiritual music!

    In Tiananmen Square, Lost my baby there
    G Em7
    My yellow rose, In her bloodstained clothes
    Cadd9 A7
    She was a short order pastry chef
    Cadd9 A7
    In a Dim Sum dive on the Yangtze tideway
    Cadd9 G/B
    She had shiny hair
    A7 D
    She was the daughter of an engineer
    G Em7
    Won't you shed a tear, For my yellow rose
    G Em7
    My yellow rose, In her bloodstained clothes
    Cadd9 A7
    She had perfect breasts, She had high hopes
    Cadd9 A7
    She had almond eyes, She had yellow thighs
    C C/B A7 D
    She was a student of philosophy
    G G/F# Em7
    Won't you grieve with me, for my yellow rose,
    G G/F# Em7 D
    Shed a tear, For her bloodstained clothes
    G G/F# Em7
    She had shiny hair, She had perfect breasts
    Cadd9 C/B A7 D
    She had high hopes, She had almond eyes
    G G/F#
    She had yellow thighs
    Em7 D
    She was the daughter of an engineer
    G C
    So get out your pistols, Get out your stones
    G C
    Get out your knives, Cut them to the bone
    G G/F# Em7
    They are the lackeys of the grocer's machine
    G C
    They built the dark satanic mills
    G C
    That manufacture hell on earth
    G G/F# Em7
    They bought the front row seats on Calvary
    C D
    They are irrelevant to me

    **D **Ddim5
    And I grieve for my sister

    People of China
    Do not forget do not forget
    The children who died for you
    Long live the Republic
    Did we do anything after this
    I've a feeling we did

    G Em7
    We were watching TV, Watching TV
    G Em7
    We were watching TV, Watching TV
    Cadd9 A7
    She wore a white bandanna that said 'Freedom now'
    Cadd9
    She thought the Great Wall of China
    A7
    Would come tumbling down
    G G/F#
    She was a student
    Em7 D
    Her father was an engineer
    G Em7
    Won't you shed a tear, For my yellow rose
    G Em7
    My yellow rose, In her bloodstained clothes
    Cadd9 A7
    Her grandpa fought old Chiang Kai-shek
    Cadd9 A7
    That no-good low-down dirty rat
    C C/B
    Who used to order his troops
    A7 D
    To fire on the women and children

    Imagine that imagine that
    G Em7
    And in the spring of '48
    G Em7
    Mao Tse-tung got quite irate
    G G/F# Em7
    And he kicked that old dictator Chiang
    D
    Out of the state of China
    G Em7
    Chiang Kai-shek came down in Formosa
    G A7
    And they armed the island of Quemoy
    G
    And the shells were flying across the China Sea
    Em7 C C/B A7 D
    And they turned Formosa into a shoe factory called Taiwan
    G Cadd9
    And she is different from Cro-Magnon man
    G Cadd9
    She's different from Anne Boleyn
    G G/F# Em7
    She is different from the Rosenbergs
    D
    And from the unknown Jew
    G Cadd9 G
    She is different from the unknown Nicaraguan
    Cadd9 G G/F#
    Half superstar half victim
    Em7 Cadd9 D
    She's a victor star conceptually new
    G Cadd9
    And she is different from the Dodo
    G Cadd9
    And from the Kankanbono
    G G/F# Em7
    She is different from the Aztec
    D
    And from the Cherokee
    G Cadd9
    She's everybody's sister
    G Cadd9
    She's symbolic of our failure
    G G/F# Em7
    She's the one in fifty million
    Cadd9 D
    Who can help us to be free
    G
    Because she died on TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    This thread was entitled SPIRITUAL BELIEFS not mythology.
    This isn't even good mythology. zg
    So the prophecies in Revelation about the upcoming new world order having one mind, this mind and power is against Christ, is all mythology?
    The mark of the beast? IN your forehead or IN your hand is necessary to buy or sell? Lucky guess? Mythology?
    Chip implants are becoming more and more accessible. The conversion to the Euro in Europe with the lone exception of the UK is becoming more and more apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEDITANK View Post
    So the prophecies in Revelation about the upcoming new world order having one mind, this mind and power is against Christ, is all mythology?
    The mark of the beast? IN your forehead or IN your hand is necessary to buy or sell? Lucky guess? Mythology?
    Chip implants are becoming more and more accessible. The conversion to the Euro in Europe with the lone exception of the UK is becoming more and more apparent.
    We've posted quite a bit in Zen Zone about 666, chip implant, etc.*
    Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word mythology.
    Perhaps you think that a myth is simply a fable? zg

    *See also (Zen Zone)
    -

    Plans To Microchip Everyone
    The Beast 666 Universal Human Control System
    Reptilian humanoid/Wikipedia excerpt
    Interdimensional Reptilian Masters -VIDEO
    The Biggest Secret...
    Secrets of the Matrix VIDEO
    What You Need to Know!***
    Luciferianism: The Religion of Apotheosis
    The New World Odor
    Serpents Rule This Planet! -VIDEO





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    a "myth" CAN imply fable. If you did not imply that, you should have been more clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEDITANK View Post
    a "myth" CAN imply fable. If you did not imply that, you should have been more clear.
    Myth/Mythology goes quite deeper than simply 'fable' as explained most expertly by the late Joseph Campbell in his Power of Myth series -
    "Myth is the secret opening through which the inexhaustible energies of the cosmos pour into human manifestation..." (Joseph Campbell, Hero with a Thousand Faces)
    And there's this (from What is Myth?)-
    The classic definition of myth from folklore studies finds clearest delineation in William Bascom’s article “The Forms of Folklore: Prose Narratives” where myths are defined as tales believed as true, usually sacred, set in the distant past or other worlds or parts of the world, and with extra-human, inhuman, or heroic characters. Such myths, often described as “cosmogonic,” or “origin” myths, function to provide order or cosmology, based on “cosmic” from the Greek kosmos meaning order (Leeming 1990, 3, 13; Bascom, 1965). Cosmology’s concern with the order of the universe finds narrative, symbolic expression in myths, which thus often help establish important values or aspects of a culture’s worldview. For many people, myths remain value-laden discourse that explain much about human nature.
    There are a number of general conceptual frameworks involved in definitions of myth, including these:
    • Myths are Cosmogonic Narratives, connected with the Foundation or Origin of the Universe (and key beings within that universe), though often specifically in terms of a particular culture or region. Given the connection to origins, the setting is typically primordial (the beginning of time) and characters are proto-human or deific. Myths also often have cosmogonic overtones even when not fully cosmogonic, for instance dealing with origins of important elements of the culture (food, medicine, ceremonies, etc.).
    • Myths are Narratives of a Sacred Nature, often connected with some Ritual. Myths are often foundational or key narratives associated with religions. These narratives are believed to be true from within the associated faith system (though sometimes that truth is understood to be metaphorical rather than literal). Within any given culture there may be sacred and secular myths coexisting.
    • Myths are Narratives Formative or Reflective of Social Order or Values within a Culture (e.g. functionalism).
    • Myths are Narratives Representative of a Particular Epistemology or Way of Understanding Nature and Organizing Thought. For example, structuralism recognizes paired bundles of opposites (or dualities -- like light and dark) as central to myths.
    • Mythic Narratives often Involve Heroic Characters (possibly proto-humans, super humans, or gods) who mediate inherent, troubling dualities, reconcile us to our realities, or establish the patterns for life as we know it.
    • Myths are Narratives that are "Counter-Factual in featuring actors and actions that confound the conventions of routine experience" (McDowell, 80).
    So, my use of 'exoteric*-mythology' to describe Christianity is actually my attempt to differentiate it from what I consider bona fide living ESOTERIC** spirituality. zg
    *The outer, superficial rendering of a hidden truth.
    **Hidden or deeper knowledge or teachings that are possessed or understood only by a [relative] few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    "Myth is the secret opening through which the inexhaustible energies of the cosmos pour into human manifestation..." (Joseph Campbell, Hero with a Thousand Faces)
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    **Hidden or deeper knowledge or teachings that are possessed or understood only by a [relative] few.



    "The Self is everywhere," says the Isha Upanishad. "Whoever sees all beings in the Self, and the Self in all beings,
    hates none. For one who sees oneness everywhere, how can there be delusion or grief?"

    All fear and all misery arise from our sense of separation from the great cosmic unity, the web of being that enfolds us. "There is fear from the second," says the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. Duality, our sense of separation from the rest of creation, is always a misperception since it implies that something exists other than God. There can be no other. "This grand preaching, the oneness of things, making us one with everything that exists, is the great lesson to learn," said Swami Vivekananda a century ago.


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    What Is Vedanta?


    Vedanta is one of the world's most ancient religious philosophies and one of its broadest. Based on the Vedas, the sacred scriptures of India, Vedanta affirms the oneness of existence, the divinity of the soul, and the harmony of religions. Vedanta is the philosophical foundation of Hinduism; but while Hinduism includes aspects of Indian culture, Vedanta is universal in its application and is equally relevant to all countries, all cultures, and all religious backgrounds.

    A closer look at the word "Vedanta" is revealing: "Vedanta" is a combination of two words: "Veda" which means "knowledge" and "anta" which means "the end of" or "the goal of." In this context the goal of knowledge isn't intellectual—the limited knowledge we acquire by reading books.

    "Knowledge" here means the knowledge of God as well as the knowledge of our own divine nature. Vedanta, then, is the search for Self-knowledge as well as the search for God.

    What do we mean when we say God? According to Vedanta, God is infinite existence, infinite consciousness, and infinite bliss. The term for this impersonal, transcendent reality is Brahman, the divine ground of being. Yet Vedanta also maintains that God can be personal as well, assuming human form in every age.

    Most importantly, God dwells within our own hearts as the divine Self or Atman. The Atman is never born nor will it ever die. Neither stained by our failings nor affected by the fluctuations of the body or mind, the Atman is not subject to our grief or despair or disease or ignorance. Pure, perfect, free from limitations, the Atman, Vedanta declares, is one with Brahman. The greatest temple of God lies within the human heart.

    Vedanta further asserts that the goal of human life is to realize and manifest our divinity. Not only is this possible, it is inevitable. Our real nature is divine; God-realization is our birthright. Sooner or later, we will all manifest our divinity—either in this or in future lives—for the greatest truth of our existence is our own divine nature.

    Finally, Vedanta affirms that all religions teach the same basic truths about God, the world, and our relationship to one another. Thousands of years ago the Rig Veda declared: "Truth is one, sages call it by various names." The world's religions offer varying approaches to God, each one true and valid, each religion offering the world a unique and irreplaceable path to God-realization. The conflicting messages we find among religions are due more to doctrine and dogma than to the reality of spiritual experience. While dissimilarities exist in the external observances of the world religions, the internals bear remarkable similarities.

    Next: Vedanta Philosophy
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    What God wants God gets God help us all
    What God wants God gets
    The kid in the corner looked at the priest
    And fingered his pale blue Japanese guitar
    The priest said
    God wants goodness
    God wants light
    God wants mayhem
    God wants a clean fight
    What God wants God gets
    Don't look so surprised
    It's only dogma
    The alien prophet cried
    The beetle and the springbok
    Took the bible from its hook
    The monkey in the corner
    Wrote the lesson in his book
    What God wants God gets God help us all
    God wants peace
    God wants war
    God wants famine
    God wants chain stories
    What God wants God gets
    God wants sedition
    God wants sex
    God wants freedom
    God wants semtex
    What God wants God gets
    Don't look so surprised
    I'm only joking
    The alien comic cried
    The jackass and hyena
    Took the feather from its book
    The monkey in the corner
    Wrote the joke down in his book
    What God wants God gets
    God wants boarders
    God wants crack
    God wants rainfall
    God wants wetbacks
    What God wants God gets
    God wants voodoo
    God wants shrines
    God wants law
    God wants organised crime
    God wants crusade
    God wants jihad
    God wants good
    God wants bad
    What God wants God gets



    What God Wants, Part 2

    Do you believe in a better day
    Do you have faith in a golden way
    If you do then we must come together this day
    Come together as one united

    Brought together by the sound of my voice
    United united financially united socially
    United spiritually in all possible ways
    Through the power of money
    And the power of prayers

    What God wants God gets God help us all
    God wants dollars
    God wants cents
    God wants pounds shillings and pence
    God wants guilders
    God wants Kroner
    God wants Swiss francs
    God wants French francs
    Oui il veut des francs francais
    God wants escudos
    God wants pesetas
    Don't send lira
    God don't want small potatoes
    God wants small towns
    God wants pain
    God wants clean up rock campaigns
    God wants widows
    God wants solutions
    God wants TV
    God wants contributions
    What God wants God gets God help us all
    God wants silver
    God wants gold
    God wants his secret
    Never to be told
    God wants gigolos
    God wants giraffes
    God wants politics
    God wants a good laugh
    What God wants God gets God help us all
    God wants friendship
    God wants fame
    God wants credit
    God wants blame
    God wants poverty
    God wants wealth
    God wants insurance
    God wants to colur himself
    What God wants God gets God help us all

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    There may have been a historical Yeshua, but he certainly wasn't the mythological contraption that you are making him out to be - "the one son of God and sole savior" - that is mythology.

    You've been tricked by the state and its official religion-institution. You have substituted true spiritual consideration with a storybook mythology that constitutes an ugly backwater religion.

    Real God IS the light of your own consciousness, which is love. Real God is not the creator, rather, the liberator, your truest Self - eternal and unchanging. To clarify: There is ONLY GOD, all else is illusion. There is ONLY GOD and you are that. This is the essence of all true spiritual paths. zg

    Conventional Monotheism vs. TRUE SPIRITUALITY
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    Caramba! That was quite a gap between JackJackson's June 2007 post, and your reply, zg. Where you been?
    Dogma schmogma

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