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    Default Is KJ the same person as ZenKing?

    Rob Singer writes: Kew, I'm sorry. I think you mean well, but you just haven't experienced enuf of life as yet to properly put this together in your mind. Hopefully you'll eventually understand the REAL difference between right and wrong.

    I'm curious. Now that KJ is preaching the gospel of right vs wrong, suppose the Milwaukee Bucks are favored by 6.5 points over Toronto. However, the casino sportsbook screwed up and listed the game as Milwaukee being a 6.5 underdog by mistake? It sounds to me like that is what KJ is so frazzled about.

    Axel writes; KJ. When you back count and jump in when the count gets good and then jump out when the count gets bad, isn't that theft from the other players EV?

    KJ Replies: Oh come on Axel. That's a reach. Answer: NO

    Mickey Crimm writes. Great deflection, KJ.

    Whatever Mickeycrimm. I don't want to continue to fight about any of this. It is what it is. We all do what we are comfortable with. And I am not pure either, if that is your point. Ok?
    KJ doesn't want to fight? HE wrote the OP. Then, 218 posts later, most of which were KJ rants. HE doesn't want to fight?

    Axel writes; The fact that they don't know you are stealing EV from them makes it ok? Or do ask the players, "hey, thanks for playing and making the deck positive EV for me, I'm about to sit down and steal some of your EV via card counting and when the count gets bad and no longer in my favor I'm going to leave you at the table(a trip to the bathroom) and let you build it back up for me, is that OK? Have you ever thought about how much money you have cost other players? When back counting(sometimes you are watching another table while playing) someone might say you steal from individuals while others steal from the casinos.

    You know its against the casinos rules to count cards and it's unwanted. Why is it ethical and moral to do something you know is unwanted and frowned upon?

    Didn't you say you and your partner used to play on friends cards at various casinos on VP in order to game the system and earn extra free play? According to your views wouldn't that be theft as well?

    Not to mention running off ploppies from tables so he can have the game to himself.
    Last edited by Moses; May 17th, 2019 at 11:40 PM.

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    Default Monet writes to KJ:

    Can someone send me the King James Version for Homosexual Card Counting Black Jack Players??
    I would really like to read it so that my soul can eventually go to heaven before it is too late... Thanks!!

    I just can't get over it.
    Homosexual, Republican, Black Jack Players who do the Lords Work and think they are absolved!!
    Not only absolved but above all others in the AP/Casino Lifestyle!
    Can't Make This Shit Up!!

    KJ belonged to the church Queers Become ill and Puke. But he got kicked out. HE couldn't shut up. Kept arguing with the pastor, calling him a troll and accused him of being Moses. Telling the entire congregation the pastor was homeless was the final straw. Queertard was escorted of the premises by Three Wise Men.

    KJ writes: It's not the same. I am extremely disciplined with my blackjack play.
    Yeah right. You never have time to play. You're always ranting about nothing on a forum. KJ sermon; How I Lost $29k in week? Holy shit.
    I can see where that took tons of discipline.

    But Message boards? Admittedly I am a mess. I am addicted to message boards. (no embarrassed emoji, so I will use the sad)
    I rest my case.

    I like talking gambling AP with like minded people, even if I disagree on some topics. Most AP's don't have someone at home to talk to. I had a partner/spouse who was my AP partner as well, but he came from the machine play....and not even AP machine play, part of gambling, and only had limited knowledge of any of it.

    You need help. Seriously.

    There is no chance that I could have figured something like this out. Rob says I am jealous. Trust me I am not. But to be fair, if I had somehow stumbled on to this, I don't know. Would be one hell of a lot of temptation. And maybe I would have given in to that temptation. But I think I would still know and be able to admit what was right and wrong.

    Boy meets girl. Right. KJ meets boys. Wrong. Or not!

    Monet writes: This is all just simple common sense. Methinks kew is taking the contrarian position just to stir the pot.

    Ya think?

    I am not Rob.

    No shit!

    Bob 21 writes; I agree, but they were still sleazyballs. I guess you could call them legal sleazyballs. Lol

    KJ is the expert on sleazy balls.

    Last edited by Moses; May 18th, 2019 at 12:18 AM.

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    Default KJ offer Axel advice?

    Man, you really have some condescending attitude today Axelwolf? Axel, take a chill pill, relax, get laid....whatever it takes. Don't turn into one of those people.

    Great advice...for KJ. He IS one of THOSE peeps.

    Singer writes:
    I wonder if you realize this kew----ever notice how anyone who questions, disagrees with or doesn't believe you, is automatically not credible?

    Ya think?
    Last edited by Moses; May 18th, 2019 at 03:52 PM.

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    Default ZenKing to KJ

    KJ it's also time to call you out, because your whole vegas career and atlantic city bullshit is all a fraud. Your story is beyond exaggerated and you were bankrolled when you got here by some old guy. You don't play the hours you claim to play either. There's so many posts that just reveal you don't know what you're talking about from anyone who actually plays this game as well who actually plays vegas. I read a post you claimed to have 12-14 five figure days per year HAHAHA. At your betting level, that's almost impossible for that to even happen one time. I used to bet 2x250(500) and i never had one trip where i lost 5 figures. The most I ever lost was 7500-8k which happened only twice, but let's just say had i continued playing it would've been a 5 figure loss, but 12-14 A YEAR? Give me a break dude. You mostly bet one hand of 400 or so, no way in hell does that happen 12-14 times a year. There's also no way in hell you play the amount of hours you claim to play by doing short sessions.

    Lose $29K in a week and still make $100K a year and not get heat....for 15 straight years with a GED and surf in junior high in 2000. I can see where EITS would want other players to buy into this concept.

    To all the braindead casino spies in here, thanks again for ratting me out. Just got trespassed today. Wouldn't be surprised if KJ was behind all of this as he knows several pit people as he claimed. I was in an argument with him about how I never get backed off or trespassed with backcounting AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW? All of a sudden I now get trespassed hahahhaha. You honestly cant make this up.

    So KJ is a casino spy? Who ratted out ZenKing?

    KJ has written posted his email address on several forums during his panty rants at Norm, Shack, and others. IF I lived in Vegas I wouldn't want KJ brags to riches stories to ruin my games. Every time rules worsen, tables lessen, and heat rises you can put it on KJ the great running his mouth on forums.
    Last edited by Moses; May 18th, 2019 at 11:40 PM.

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    Default KJ has a multiple personality disorder

    ZK writes; Stay away from the strip. It's rigged. Thank me later.

    KJ writes: "Rigged". That's open for debate. But there are other reasons to stay away from the strip, not the least of which there are just better opportunities elsewhere, as well as crowded conditions and unsavory characters plying their trade. AND I believe I told you that about 2 years ago as you arrived in Vegas. You seem to be one of those stubborn guys that insists on learning things the hard way. I have had some of that in me at too at times.

    Obviously. At times? Understatement of the day. More like drama queen of the century.

    So how are things going for you these days Zenking? Hopefully variance is being kind to you.

    ZK writes: How are things going for me? ahhaha. How about you go play on this fucking mob infested strip and let me know how you do. I'm not close to -10k on the strip since i arrived to town. All of my winnings have come off strip hahhaha. Let that sink in kids. Let that fucking sink in. Find me one card counter that has ever won long term counting the shoe games on the las vegas strip. Find me just one with a decent sample size. Go ahead ill wait.

    KJ writes; You know you are a goofball right? If you don't win on the strip...for mob infested reasons or any other reason....then don't play on the strip. That is the beauty of Vegas. Not the greatest quality of games, but huge quantity. THAT is why those of us that are here.....ARE HERE. You get to choose where you are comfortable playing.

    Besides the place on boulder highway that was my first ASM cheating casino (I had horrible results), I have had a few other casinos that I have really crappy results at. A couple lifetime losing results (small sample size though), a couple just too far below expectation for my liking. You know what I do? I STOP playing them. If I am uncomfortable with a casino for any reason, hey there is another one a few minutes away. That is Vegas.

    The players that should be complaining are the players that come to Vegas and think Vegas is ONLY the strip and a little bit of downtown. And there are some AP's with that mentality too. They never discover the goldmine that is Las Vegas.

    Prior to moving to Vegas, I made....I don't know how many trips, maybe 7 or 8? And one of those was for about 5 or 6 weeks. I never played anything but downtown (where I was staying) and the strip.

    Then I moved to Vegas. A guy from a big city who didn't drive and utilized public Transportation. Moving to a condo a block off the strip, I still only played the Strip, downtown and just off stip (places like Terribles at the time, Palms, Hooters, Wild, wild west). At first I only played places I could walk or ride my bike too. I even rode my bike from mid strip where I lived to places like Silverton and South point. M casino had a shuttle from Fashion show so I hit that.

    And then eventually I started using the public bus system and found all the local places, all the stations, all the Boyds, all the independent local places and I was like....."now THIS is VEGAS".

    The buses were too slow, and inconvenient, so I broke down and bought a car. And then a month later I won a truck AT one of those outlying local's places.

    Of course you did. Then his mom taught him to drive. But not well enough to pass the test. So he sold the truck for $29k and lost it in a week playing blackjack variance. He's too busy writing on a forum and never learned to compete.

    I still play downtown regularly, One notoriously sweaty place too regularly. Very short sessions and to be honest, I still don't know why I have been tolerated there as long as I have while others aren't. But the strip? Almost forgotten. I have 2-3 places that I stop buy once, occasionally twice a month or so. Besides the games aren't good, the strip is too crowded. Unless you are specifically looking to take advantage of that like on a busy fight night (play in the shadows). Too crowded. Too many touristy people. Too many scam artists and pick pockets.

    ZK writes; Yea let me keep avoiding every single casino and have no where to play? What the fuck do you think i have been doing? All my profit has come off strip. Im a net loser around 10k on this fucking rigged strip with 300 hours on that strip mostly backcounting as well. Do you realize how unlucky you have to be to lose for 300 hours mostly backcounting? Hahahha. Youre also a complete idiot or fraud if you keep saying there are so many other casinos to play at. Theres maybe 32 casinos with playable shoe games in vegas. You act like theres 100. I dont play double deck.

    I also like how you left out how you did on the strip. Unless you purposely fudge your answer i already know the answer. You lost on there just like everyone else and is why you started playing elsewhere. Theres not one counter who has won exclusively on the strip playing shoe games over a long sample size not one. If i cant win there no one can. I play as perfectly as a counter can theoretically play these games and i still cant win. Its alright cause bombs are gonna be dropping soon and all the rigged profit they stole from me is gonna cost them 1000x fold

    Whoa. Talk about a major multiple personality disorder. This is like Linda Blair (Exorcist) vs Pee Wee Herman. Pee Wee is definitely the one with the problem. Just count the words.

    Can't blame you ZK...I'd be pissed too.

    Gotta Run. I'm off to church to pray for you KJ.
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    Bob 21 writes: Hey Moses, I’m not ignoring you.

    Hey Bob; Hope all is well. Was that a game tonight or what? 2OT.Freighter is a good guy. Not sure how you two wound up on opposite sides of the coin. Whenever I need a "go to" guy Freighter is always Johnny on the spot. Maybe buy him a beer someday if your travel trips are close. I'm not sure why he has it in for you so much. But better you, than me. No offense.

    So, I went to church today and prayed for KJ to ask for help with his forum addiction. IT was chilly so they had the firepits going so people could visit and have coffee afterward. There was a voice coming out of this one pit "pssst, Moses, over here." You know, like the burning bush. So I walked over and the voice said "about this KJ prayer, I dunno, there is just something about that little queer that pisses me off." Well, I was taken back. I didn't know how to respond.

    So I said "would you at least think about it"? The voice in the fire replied, "probably not, I'm too busy for this."
    Whew, thank God the voice was Norm.

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    Bob 21 writes; I’m sure this will reengage kJ.

    You were spot on and in just 37 minutes. KJ is like a chatty Kathy doll. Pull his string and it's the gay highway of spewed nonsense.

    So rather than read all of his garbage, he clearly is "creating confusion to confound the understanding."

    Let me simplify it for you all. Come and visit and you will meet all the characters. See my house with a view and no mortgage. Witness my list of games bet at various sportsbook, all for $2k plus. Watch me play green chip straight up. Play me black chip straight up. KJ will not do one of these items. I've never in my life witnessed such a coward. He calls out to a physical confrontation with 70+ Rob Singer and Coach Belly but will not face me. Why?

    So, I'm forced to take the game to him. The queertard posted his email address in rants to Norm, Shack, and others. He gives up a huge amount of info as he got carried away in his interview at WOV. KJ gave up even more info in the thread at VCT about the purchase of his house and sale of his condo...which was likely his mom.

    Been Verified and People Lookup will pull up some information. But I've yet to spring for the $19.95 (or whatever) to get a full report. I figure KJ has pissed off enough people that someone will PM me with info. Alan Mendelson, ZenKing, RobSinger, T3, Norm, Shack, Freighter, Coach Belly, and too many others to list. Plus he continues to talk shit on people who aren't even on forums. Billyran, Shadrock, and some guy out of Philly. HE is even starting to whiz off former alies like MickeyCrimm, Don S, Mission 146.

    OR one of my buddies may have this service.

    What really surprises me is that some player(s) who truly compete in Vegas hasn't already stopped his clock or rang his bell. HE is a detriment to competing blackjack players. Counting two tables - wonging in and out. Talk about easy prey for a pit boss or EITS to spot. HiLO is ultra easy for EITS to count. Doesn't anyone wonder why he is such a fanatic about a count? Lose $29k in week and make $100k in a year. I'm sure casinos would love to have thousands of believers try losing $29k and retrieving it so effortlessly. Those guys, that actually work for a living, don't like seeing players break even. Running ploppies off the tables? I'm sure they love his ass for that.

    Of course, KJ must announce to everyone he is off to work at 10.30am every weekday morning. I can't even read all the rants he continues top post on various forums throughout the day. Let alone type all that into a smart phone one finger poke at a time.

    Every time the rules worsen, tables lessen, and heat rises y'all have KJ to thank for it. He has been running his mouth for years. Norm and Shack got rid of him. Yet, you all praise him like you need someone to follow and worship? Might want to wise up or you won't have a game to play.

    Go ahead and post this at VCT if you like.
    Last edited by Moses; Yesterday at 01:37 PM.

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    Reports indicate KJ could be a 58 year old woman or a man with a woman's name. But there is a resident in the mid 30's. We have this one woman who is probably in her mid 50's. Zoom Zoom rushes around cleaning off tables, throwing away trash, and straightening chairs. Just one problem. She is not actually employed by the casino. Talk about OCD magnified. Don't ever engage in conversation. You'll get a life story that will make your head spin and knock your socks off. If you do? Quickly engage your friend and get the hell out of Dodge.
    KJ, you're not Zoom Zoom are ya?
    Last edited by Moses; Yesterday at 12:21 PM.

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    Default Spirderman

    Monet writes:
    So Singer changes gears and gets kewlJ and Mickey to start feuding?
    All part of the plan and it seems the plan is working.
    Maybe we can get Spiderman involved with the morality police?

    Now that's funny!


    Basically it seems that Singer, kewlJ and MC seem to care.
    It seems that kewlJ cares the most though.
    Which is odd cause I thought he would be teamed up with ZK by now trying to prove shuffle machines are cheating everyone.

    Seriously though... Spiderman says he isn't going to post anymore and after that, he posts about 100 times in record fashion!!

    First, you throw out reason and logic. Then you throw in monstrous lies and feminisms. What do you get? QUEERTARD!

    Rob writes: You're such a nervous little twit kew, worrying about this like a crazy mixed up old lady would.

    Ahem, that's Ms. Kew.
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