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    Default Is 21Forme a puppet of Norm?

    Sorry Norm, but you opened pandora's box by allowing such an utterly ridiculous to be started by 21Forme in the first place.

    A mystery. Who is 21Forme? Could it be Norm? Could he be Flash? OR just another spineless boring asshole from NYC?

    21Forme is a very fond of KJ which indicates he could be more than just a little light in the loafers.

    But KJ isn't fond of Norm:

    Quote Originally Posted by KewlJ View Post
    You know that putrid smell when you walk past a homeless person? That combination of stink, stank stunk, funk, death? I'm talking the really putrid smell where you pull your shirt up over your face and stop breathing for as long as you can?

    That smell will forever forward be known as "watten-stink".....or maybe Q-stench.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Kewlj - I just registered on this forum to respond, as someone notified me about this thread which contains an error. Until now, I was unaware of the existence of this forum, and am making this one post to correct what you said. I do not plan to become active here. At this point, I'm forummed out

    First, thanks for your kind words.

    Second, I was never banned from BJTF. I left on my own volition for a few months, returned, then left again after seeing the same old nonsense. If I wish to return again, I could. However, I haven't been back in there in many months and do not care to return to that cesspool of misinformation, endless supply of "which count is best" threads, and sounding board for two losers who have nothing better to do than than try to make more posts than the other one.

    That's all I have. You know how to contact me, if you wish to. Good cards!

    21forme writes ^:

    Moses replies: So Norm. This is the type of garbage you have on your forum right under your nose.

    21forme: You jump from one forum to another because they either don't have enough action to hold your interest or too many posts and your brain busts a spring trying to keep up with more than 5 posts per day. So you chose me as your new Zee? Wrong, wrong, WRONG decision.

    Here is an idea. Why don't you start a forum where nobody is allowed to post. All we do is read about your boring ASS! Would that make you happy? Probably not.

    Or start a karaoke club and the first mother fucker that dares to sing? Throw his ass out. You could call it the "buy my booze and shut the fuck up" club. So I'm the who is mentally ill? You got to be the most simpleminded dipshit on earth. So which is it going to be this time? Hide or Tattle? Because I know you're not going to stand up to me. You've never stood up for anything or to anyone in your life. All you do is bitch and run.
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    Norm is probably just a regular guy that frequents the same pastry shop as 21Forme. Nonetheless, Norm has become a patsy to those like 21Forme and Flash who are clearly taking advantage of his good nature. Who knows? Unless Norms tells. As my musician friend puts it, "anyone who likes Jimi Hendricks can't be all bad."

    But 21Forme definitely thinks he in charge of something which makes him seem like a puppet of Norm's. Time to put this wooden idiot back in your box and in the fireplace.

    Now as for me and my bots? I could care less. Why all the fears of Zen Zone? It's pretty much just me responding to those on other forums. But I have noticed that people seem to join BJTF out of nowhere and absolutely drill the likes of Flash, 21Forme, and The Refinery from time to time. So they want to give me credit? Okay, whatever. But I couldn't control all that if I wanted to. And if I could? It wouldn't be worth my time. However, the work others do perhaps from reading Zen Zone, and over time, has an uncanny result of certain people and/or puppets going away or being sent away. Is 21Forme next? Let's hope so.

    Maybe it's all coming from a higher source. I mean even higher than Midwest Players roof. Everyone knows God is extremely fond of Jesus. But it appears he also looks over Cheesous as well. And that drives 21Forme crazy who is already nuttier than squirrel turds.

    BTW, Iggy (because you put everyone on ignore) you owe SkinnyBJplayer an apology, and Moses $29k, or shut your damn pie hole. It's the only way you can stop looking like a complete idiot. Maybe you will get forummed out...again.
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    Default Iggy writes:

    He thinks he has an audience (besides midwest player), but in reality it's bots making him think people are reading his nonsense.

    So now you have a crystal ball that tells you xachary what I'm thinking. Not true. Otherwise, you'd be at the Proctologist having that ball removed from your ass. He say, "you suffer from xachary syndrome 21Forme, your face wook xachary rike your ass.

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    Default Old; But not dead writes:

    Good day everyone

    I have been lurking this forum for the last couple of days, and wanted to introduce myself.
    I was a part-time AP player in the late '80's and '90's, but marriage, children, mortgage etc. means I have been away from BJ for almost 20 years.
    I play Hi-Opt 1 with Ace side count
    I used to make a couple of trips to Reno/Tahoe every year, and was mostly a single deck player.
    I have just started to get back into Blackjack, as I finally paid off my mortgage in Feb. (Yay!) and can start rebuilding my bankroll.
    My current plan is to practice red chip, low spread ( so I don't burn them) at my local stores 1-2 times a month, and make a trip to Vegas 2 times a year.

    I have a few questions for the forum:

    1) My bankroll is $3000 dollars now, but since I no longer have a mortgage I plan on adding $1000 a month until it is of useable size. What should my effective bankroll be for now?
    2) Other than El Cortez ( which the forums say is extremely sweaty) where is there single deck in Vegas?
    3) Is it worthwhile to go to Northern Nevada for single deck games?
    4) Is Laughlin worth the drive from Vegas to spread out to more casinos?
    5) I have been backed off from Eldorado, Harrah's etc. in Reno, but I look far different than I did 20 years ago. Will they still have records of me?

    I have been enjoying the process of getting back into Blackjack. I pulled out my old copy of Humble's World's Greatest Blackjack book and reread it a couple of times. The stories of 70's junkets, illegal blackjack, and cheating are most interesting when looked at from today. I have also enjoyed lurking on this an other forums and look forward to learning all that I can from the experience here on the forum.

    Relax Iggy; It's not Moses.

    BJ Genius writes: I think this is another Moses' attempt to return. ...And this coming from the guy who sees little green men coming out of card shuffling machines and steals his grandmas wheelchair so he can see the bottom card. Why would I want to return? IT's boring. Plus Norm would just ban me again. Do you honestly see me ever conforming to the ways of the cult?
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    Default Old, But not dead writes:

    I thought it was Jesus who made the return.......Moses split the Red Sea


    Now that was funny! Yes OBND, this is correct. However, God also called on Moses to clean out the cults at BJTF. Jesus refused. HE said it was impossible. HE was right and righteous.

    Appropriately named Old, But not Dead. Sort of like "how the worm turns" at BJTF. Without mention of Moses, there isn't much to talk about.

    Let's see, will Zee and Midwest Player go to Colorado?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV3E5e7fZ6M

    More importantly, will they actually make it to Blackhawk? How, both on a mini-bike?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhXizOSz-mQ

    What about the weather in Wisconsin? The outlook is cheesy. Will Iggy find his false teeth in his bowl of banana's? Did Bosox retire as FUDD?

    Now, here is a tip for you. Go to the weather forum and you can read all you want about blackjack. That's where T3 went. What name and number will Bulb come out with this week?
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    Hidden Member Name writes:
    Welcome to Colorado, Zee. Too bad your first day isn't going well.

    Hmmm. Got 3 Helpfuls.

    The Refinery writes:
    Bwahahaha

    Wow. Now that's a surprise.

    Cheesous writes:
    Damn, I sure hope this isn't Zee's first day in Black Hawk. The weather report indicated it was snowing in Black Hawk yesterday.
    Anyway, if this is Zee's first day there I don't appreciate you outing him by announcing his arrival.

    Gets an Unhelpful.


    Hidden Member Name:
    Who are you, his manager? He's outed too many times.

    Cheesous writes:
    Why hide behind an Anonymizer! It's okay if Zee wants to out himself, but not for you to do it. Outing someone is a major no no on any blackjack forum.
    Well maybe Norm can remove these posts.

    Get a clue McGoo. Of course the biggest chicken shit on earth is 21Forme hiding behind a tool offered by BJTF. First, he puts Zee on ignore and now he hides. A typical pattern of a full blown cowardly moron. No offense, but when are you and Zee going to get the fact you are no longer welcome in their town? Freighter figured it out.

    It's a cult...primary made up of the mentality of pimple faced adolescents with about as much spunk as a bunch of 6th grade queers banding together.

    If Norm had one hair on his ass, he would delete these posts, and ban 21Forme because of his obsession with Zee. But he won't do shit. Probably because he has to face the dumb bastard(s) everyday at the local pastry shop for coffee.





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    Default Newbie writes:

    This might be a stupid question however if you took a deck and counted how many 9-A were dealt out wouldn’t that tell you what percent of high cards are left in the deck opposed to small cards? In a 8 deck shoe there would be 192 high cards 192 small cards leaving out the 8s. Sort of making an 8 a zero card.

    Not Moses. 21dipstick or Wheelchair thief.

    Iggy (21Forme) writes:
    No. A 9 is not a high card. Don't try to reinvent the wheel.

    So make the 2 a zero card. Then put Iggy's wheel right where his crystal ball is placed.

    Basically all the newbie has done is converted Silver Fox to a percentage count.

    SkinnyBJplayer writes:
    Some people want to "reinvent the wheel" while others want to "split hairs."
    Just relax and do not dream of a fantasized lifetime of tax-free income that
    will replace education and working for a living. Just knowing the percentage
    of high cards vs. low cards, while nice to know, is not a "key to the kingdom."

    Excellent point. Sounds like something Moses would say. No iggy he came up with it all on his own. Go back to driving in circles with your silly little wheel.

    I've always said "casinos could put the Hilo count on a tote board (like in the sportsbook) and players would still lose money."

    Whoever said "Greed Kills" was a genius.

    Well thanks. But in blackjack it means "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."

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    Default Freighter offers sound advice to Robert C

    Good to see Freighter come temporarily out of retirement to offer Robert C some good advice - other than Iggy's "stop reinventing the wheel."

    But 8 decks? I wouldn't play 6 decks if I had Freighters money, and if I did? I'd burn mine.

    But your mother made a good point. You only have to "see" 192 cards to count in a 8 deck shoe as opposed to 384. Plus you would know the exact percentage of what is played vs what remains which is a handy little piece of info in a straight up single deck game.

    In essence, Robert C, what you've described is the Silver Fox count. Assuming you believe there is value in the 2 (I don't) then your BC drops slightly and PE rises significantly with Silver Fox vs HiLO. Thankfully, you have tools today which were not available many years ago. So, run a CV Data SIM. The SCORE will present a highly efficient barometer as opposed to opinions of the Iggy's with an agenda on a forum.

    Chances are the SCORES of both will be similar. Next step is to play it out on Verite. After, about 10K hands of each, played exactly the way you play in a casino, you will know which way YOU are most comfortable with. More importantly, you will have a better self assessment if you're make up is geared to compete in a game with such a high rate of volatility.

    BTW, 21FORdumbass this is what a forum should be about. Not you're friggin personal agenda of constant two line bullshit summary and put down to the new OPs. I hope Norm brings your silly ass down, or Don S puts you in your worthless place, as you are a detriment and a complete bore to any forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Good to see Freighter come temporarily out of retirement to offer Robert C some good advice - other than Iggy's "stop reinventing the wheel."

    But 8 decks? I wouldn't play 6 decks if I had Freighters money, and if I did? I'd burn mine.

    But your mother made a good point. You only have to "see" 192 cards to count in a 8 deck shoe as opposed to 384. Plus you would know the exact percentage of what is played vs what remains which is a handy little piece of info in a straight up single deck game.

    In essence, Robert C, what you've described is the Silver Fox count. Assuming you believe there is value in the 2 (I don't) then your BC drops slightly and PE rises significantly with Silver Fox vs HiLO. Thankfully, you have tools today which were not available many years ago. So, run a CV Data SIM. The SCORE will present a highly efficient barometer as opposed to opinions of the Iggy's with an agenda on a forum.

    Chances are the SCORES of both will be similar. Next step is to play it out on Verite. After, about 10K hands of each, played exactly the way you play in a casino, you will know which way YOU are most comfortable with. More importantly, you will have a better self assessment if you're make up is geared to compete in a game with such a high rate of volatility.

    BTW, 21FORdumbass this is what a forum should be about. Not you're friggin personal agenda of constant two line bullshit summary and put down to the new OPs. I hope Norm brings your silly ass down, or Don S puts you in your worthless place, as you are a detriment and a complete bore to any forum.
    I've been backed off from 8-deckers with abysmal rules. No surrender and H17 but spreading 40-60-1 + betting black on LL side bets. Admittedly, I was a camper outter-which was detrimental to my longevity.

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    Hsiaodi writes:
    It can probably be done pretty easily when most games are single or double deck.
    Yes, very easy for what Robert C proposes.

    I am sure someone has done the sim or calculation somewhere along the line with the comparison in EV gain with that kind of precise information with 6 or 8 decks. It may not worth the mental agony.
    Nothing is worth the mental agony and variance of 6 decks, let alone 8.

    I think what OP is talking about isn’t that different with Tarzan count.
    The Tarzan count is 3 columns and a side count of Aces. Far more complex.

    How many people can do it with the precision and consistency it requires? Two

    It all sound “good” and doable, but how do you sim it? How do you prove the new system works.
    It's all about depth of pen. You know it works when you have a large bet out and know exactly what still remains in the deck. But the column, Tarzan, and complex counts aren't worth much if you don't get at least 2/3rds deck pen.

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    Originally Posted by refinery Here we go again. Classic sock puppet. Looking forward to finding out who in the near future.

    21Forgay
    Probably that mentally ill guy who scans the all the forums from which he's been banned, knows nothing about real BJ, and talks to himself.

    What a couple of idiots! Everytime someone comes in with a different opinion and upsets your little perfect world? You think it's me. Frankly, I could care less about BJTF. You two are major contributors of making it the most boring site on earth. Just shut up and let Don S and Freighter talk to give it some life as it dies a slow death.

    To scam all the forums takes about as long as the coffee pot to get ready after I hit the on button. However, finding topics of interests, often takes days.

    I'm so up in 21Forgays head. To think you had me on ignore and I would go away. Not happening is it there bub! Now go chase your variance like a dog chases a parked car.

    You guys are so afraid to post here because you're afraid Norm will ban you. You're either sock puppets or the ultimate wusses. Take your pick. Try this, "fuck it Norm, I'm a grown man, I will post wherever the hell I want." The Island of Success at Zen Zone or the Big City losers at BJTF.

    CIF writes: Don, thanks much for the response and info. As for the new and old posters that can't seem to stop criticizing everthing Zee says...well god this is really getting old. Maybe Norm can "reign" some of this in.

    You take the good with the bad. Zee has more questions than a 6 year old watching an R rated movie. However, it's always been a platform for the genius's to boast of their brilliance. More like buffoon's baffling with their bullshit. Saying Norm needs to "rein" it in is an understatement. That would take God...or Don S. Both are one in the same. No?

    If you here a voice from a burning bush or read a Don S post "it's going to "rain" today? Grab your umbrella.
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    Originally Posted by ZeeBabar When will you learn to ignore my posts? They all end up long with just one or two idiots posting useless stuff.

    The Refinery writes:
    That's a reflection on your threads, dweeb!

    Zee responds:
    Check it out. I am learning something I did not know (from the others who replied). It was my purpose for posting. What was your point in going on a thread by me, especially since you know you don’t approve of me? Just ignore my threads.

    Jabberwocky writes: Feel honored. He's your personal troll.

    Originally Posted by refinery Did something happen to 21forme?


    21forme writes; Somebody page me? Zee's been on my ignore list for quite a while now. Only time I see his posts is when someone quotes them. I haven't been on his case in probably a year. Thanks for picking up the slack

    So The Refinery is actually 21Forme who is actually Norm. 21Forme likes KJ which means Norms does too, even after all the trash talk KJ has said about Norm. Whew! Talk about your soap operas. Will the real posters PLEASE STAND UP and show all your puppets. IT would make it all so much easier and give credibility back to your products, and perhaps eventually BJTF.
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    Probably that mentally ill guy from ZZ who talks to himself and has too much time on his hands between VA Hospital psych clinic appointments.

    He's encouraged by guys like Midwest Player who constantly bring attention to his lunacy. MWP, maybe you should spend more time planning trips you don't take, rather than bouncing from forum to forum all day long, like the lunatic.


    There now, you see I stop posting for a couple of days and wimpy thinks I'm gone. So he starts running his mouth again - with no intention whatsoever to back up anything he says. How much would you like to bet on your accusations? For one thing, I'm not a vet. For you to make sport of those who do have mental issues because they gave themselves for our country is the worst post you've ever made. Norm should BAN you permanently and prove the he is not 21Forme. Or if it is his puppet, it would make good kindling.

    So take your chain smoking fat ass back to the tables and chase some more variance. You're a worthless contribution to society and somebody ought to clean your fucking clock for you. As for jumping to other forums? Not that I care what anyone else does. But it's easy. However, it probably would be difficult for an idiot like you.
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    Originally Posted by 21forme But it's still pointless. Suppose you find out it's that mental midget on ZZ. Then what? Go after his shopping cart?

    Freighter writes:
    Whatever you might call him - stupid he’s not.

    Thanks Freighter; 21 Forme - Coward he IS. 21Forme frets over pansy stuff. He is lighter in the loafers than KJ.


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