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    Okay Moses, just for you I will post the results of my last 13 sessions. Total win $5,632 or $75.60 per hour.

    Well then, in green chips that's $28,160 in less than 2 weeks. Hmmm. $56,320 a month. $675,840 a year. Awesome! Pure bull shit. But awesome!

    Instead of not playing, you should never not play. Jesus loves you.

    Bob never said he plays 50 hours a week. He said 20 hours a weekend.

    Bob, never said anything. I said IF? This was a trap to see if you were reading and how much! You fell into it like a canoe tipping over in the river. Now you got KJ all upset. Poor Keystone won't get the blow job he is so desperately seeking.
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    Moses, you should know better than this. You can't multiply red chip by 5 and assume that is how you will play green chip. It isn't unusual that I spread 1:20 in red chip and sometimes even 1:40. You can't spread like this at green chip. Yeah, just try spreading $25 to $1,000 at a green chip double deck game and see how long you will last. And if I played every day like you are suggesting, I would have been kicked out long ago.

    I've played in both Laughlin and Wendover. I live in Nevada. Remember? No way could I spread $5 to $75 without getting extensive heat in very short order?
    Like 15 minutes tops. And large bet frequency is minimal. So you're saying you could spread from $5 to $100, even $200? For 6 hours? More bullshit. You would have been already kicked out of those towns. Who are your trying to impress? 21Forme? The Refinery? Bubbles?

    Why question such good fortune coming your way. Is forum acceptance THAT important to you? I think they gave your OP 5 not helpfuls. Why is just playing the game such a difficult concept for you to grasp? Still you made $5600 in 13 days and worry about the cost of a car rental.


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    Originally Posted by Midwest Player Well congratulations, for once you gave something other than a smart ass answer.

    21 Forme writes:
    Gee, thanks. And back at ya - thanks for not creating a useless poll, telling us how much snow you shoveled today, or stirring up trouble involving banned forum miscreants.
    Back on topic, St. George isn't far from both Bryce and Zion NPs, two of my favorites (which is how I happened across St George). IMO, Utah has the most stunning scenery of any state.

    O shit. I agree with 21Forme again. Maybe I do need to seek professional help. Bob, if you ever want to impress that special girl, take her to Bryce and Zion National Park - stay at the Bumbleberry Inn, get some Bumbleberry pie at the café, and a free breakfast and the café across the lot. It includes everything "except the Steak." That's a big saying, almost in unison on the 2nd day! lol This THIS is the best advice I've given you except for drop the 2 and add the 7 and give -.5 to the 9 and -1.5 to the 5. Forget all the T3 side counts. O yes, take the shuttle which comes right up to the motel and you can take in all the sights. Truly God's country. You will see what I mean.

    The thread is quite interesting, all things considered. But it takes on the mantra of Zee. I'm going to retire to play more blackjack and move to where it isn't offered because I'm afraid I have a gambling addiction. Huh
    ?

    Hey 21forme, just who the hell are you calling a banned forum miscreant? You forum ignore and then not do it junkie. Whew! I feel better now. Thought I was in trouble there for a minute. looking over me.
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    Default Mr Dietz writes to Bob:

    No, I said I thought mickey should block you because any back and forth between the two of you would be a drain on your invaluable time and would deprive the rest of us from added kernels of your wisdom.

    Bob21, I'm going to let you on a secret. If you look at a person's sign-up date and their number of posts, and if you then assign 30 days to each month, you can use long division to come up with the number of posts per day. I know, it's quite a numerical undertaking, but my AP training enables me to do such incredible feats. So, for example, I've been here 8 years, which is approaching 3000 days. So if I have 5000 posts through 3000 days, well, it'll take me a few hours to work out the math, but you can see how it's done.

    Wait! Run that by me one more time. No don't. Karl is about to bust a spring.

    If you need access to any other AP secrets you can use, just ask. Sometimes adding, subtracting, and long division enables me to stumble onto truly remarkable things. Like, did you know that the more you and UCFX post here, the fewer times Moses posts on Zenzone? Yeah, pretty incredible. As if the universe can only take so much wisdom per hour. Weird, right?

    Well, by God! I didn't even know you read this forum Mr Dietz. I'm honored, shocked and aballed all in one. Hmmm. Could it be that they are answering threads address to me from VCT? I did not know you were a number guy. Actually, I did which speaks to your success in sports handicapping. But just for shits and grins. How many threads and posts were made about or to me since I was banned? That outta be a humdinger.

    Now, I need to take a serious break from posting, as I want you to focus on volume to educate the civilians. As president of your fan club, I have no need for you to pay any attention to me. Share the wealth.

    Quite frankly, I'm hurt and a little jealous of your prestigious position. Hope your 76ers play better in game 2.
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    Default Midwest player writes:

    Here is a little secret redietz. If you look up Bob21's profile and click on "About Me" you will actually see he makes 4.78 posts a day. Way over the recommended 4 per day limit. It is kind of like using multiplication instead of division to get the true count in a double deck game.

    Yeah, I have other secrets like how it is possible to make $75 an hour playing red chips. Of course Moses thinks this is bullshit. Just pure bullshit.

    Well now galldernit Money Plenty how's come you can't afford a car rental in Denver if you're making $75 and hour playing red chips. If I had your kinda money I'd burn mine.
    You'd be money ahead to pay someone to shovel your roof. All dem dang Dr Bills got a be adding up considering the way your keep falling off of it.

    4 posts per day? Well, by God, we got 5 just fer signing up. But okay. That is not the rule here. Well, wait, maybe it is, let me ask the moderator. O that's right I don't know who it is. Luther is that you Luther?

    So, let's all sit and stare you our computer screens and really, I mean really, try to come up with a logical solution of how to get from Denver to Blackhawk, for APs sake. Your 90 something years old, you should be a jumpin out of airplanes to save $19.95 per day on a car rental.


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    Default Midwest Player writes

    Did you know the St George airport is going to close for four months this summer starting at the end of May? I suppose you can always fly into Vegas.

    IF your arms don't give out.


    By the way, it is actually a couple hundred dollars cheaper for me to fly into St George airport than Vegas.

    You sir, are a treasure. You'd fly into St George instead of Vegas to save $200. You make $75 an hour playing red chip and will be in a place where you can play green, even black. My good 82 year young friend Lou will drive from Atlantis to GSR because they will take a $2 bet instead of $5 minimum. But his big ole Ford probably eats up $4 dollars in gas.


    Anyway, I can't go anywhere until the dog dies. He will be 16 this summer.

    Bless his heart. My 4 legged best friend was 15 and a pup everyday of his life.

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    Default Gut Wrenching

    I am wondering how many of you out there have suffered a loss comparable to mine in a period of 50-100 hours - and how you would deal with it?
    Since March 31 I have played about 73 hours of blackjack and suffered a gut-wrenching loss of slightly more than five standard deviations.
    Something like this has you seriously worried that you are doing something wrong but I believe I have staked correctly in relation to my bankroll and that this is simply a statistical aberration.
    Earlier in my blackjack career I would probably have taken a break of a week or two to get over such a psychologically draining downswing but now I simply plough on confident that I will overcome this serious assault on my bankroll.
    Newbie writes;

    Start by playing out 10K hands on Verite with the exact game plan you employ at the casino. This will speak to your psychological makeup. My coach used to say in practice, "there will be a point in the game where everything around feels like it's coming apart. The fans are going nuts. The official makes bad call(s). You're tired and feel like you want to quit. Something else will take over." THAT is when you become strong and where THIS practice pays off. It's the difference between winning and losing.

    The worst thing you can do is show up and feel entitled to win because you read a book. It's the patience, discipline, and ability to handle the pressure is what separates a competitor from a book reader. If the words "I need a break" are in your head? Then you should take a break and practice, practice, practice until the words "I've got game and I'm ready to compete are foremost in your mind."
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    Default Zee Burn out

    You are right but as I said in an earlier post, after 5+ years, I seem burnt out. Maybe it's age and fatigue, maybe something else. Its not preserving a win so much as it is just not feeling much enthusiasm for playing. I only played about 10 hours a month in January and February, a bit more in March only because I played about 15 hours over 3 days, and these days, I only play when on a trip about 1-2 times a month and these are short trips.

    I understand I should not quit just because I am up but enthusiasm for playing abandons me after I have recovered my expenses.

    Of course you are burnt out. Who wouldn't be? Even a single guy in his 20's would be exhausted. Look at what you go through just to "get" to a table. Then it seems you have no plan. Maybe you will go to Wisconsin, maybe Colorado, etc, etc. Then it seems you have no idea what you're going to do once you do sit down to play because you've travelled so far to arrive. Play 6 decks or 2 decks full table or straight up. Even with your uncanny ability to always jump out in front and the leave before your profits diminish you still make barely enough to cover expenses. What is your time worth? A valid question, especially to someone in their 70's. So much for the long run.

    Move to where you have games to play in a close proximity, know your game, and let the game come to you.
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    Default Zee. Huh?

    In practice, I find myself with 3 options AT TIMES. I can play the entire 2 or 6 deck playing 2 hands (ofcourse, I would wong out of the 6 deck game if it goes TC-2). I could start with 2 hands, drop down to one at negative counts and sometimes start with one hand and add another hand when count goes positive and sometimes, I can get away with constant fluctuating between 1 hand (negative count) and 2 hands (positive count) or vice versa (one hand with more $$ on positive counts and two hands of minimum). I also play uneven amounts on each hands. It all depends upon casino ande heat and act.

    Zee: Very confusing to you as a player and I'm sure to anyone as a reader. You've generalized here and said nothing. Practice? You haven't spent enough times with Norm's products. You should know exactly what you're going to do and when your going to do it. This is what I mean by "let the game come to you."

    Don S provided a great summary and you kind of whizzed all over it. Thank goodness it was early in the thread this time. Create confusion to confound the understanding is the BJTF mantra. But you only did the former.
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    Midwest player writes:
    Zee, you really don't know how things are until you check it out for yourself. From CBJN the rules look pretty decent. The big unknown is just how sweaty they are and if they will flier to other casinos. They may think an old man is pretty harmless, then maybe not. If you have any decent variance it is possible to make a thousand, but could also lose a thousand.

    I decided to just look at my 2018 three day blackjack trips to see how I did. I had good variance last year and not one was a loser. Most of these trips were close to 20 hours of blackjack play, and most were with a max bet of $100, maybe a few bets with max of $200. Here is a list of all my 2018 three day trip reports (two day trips are excluded). The figures are rounded to nearest hundred dollars from biggest win to smallest win.
    1) $2,300
    2) $1,500
    3) $1,300
    4) $1,200
    5) $1,000
    6) $800
    7) $700 (Wendover single deck-Includes some green chip play)
    8) $700
    9) $400
    10 $100
    Average 3 day winning trip for 2018 $976. It just happens that most of the figures above were over 50 and got rounded up.


    Interesting year. Rounded up totals exactly $10k. Actually appear to be $9,760. I assume these totals don't include expenses. A healthy $48.80 per hour, if not. Hmmm. My friend Steve, in the last 6 months won a $3k drawing. A free cruise for two. $1,200 in baccarat. And $2k off my sports picks. Who had the better year?

    My 77 year young friend Tom comes out for 6 weeks every year and leaves the day after the Kentucky Derby. He plays Keno all day long, drinks beer, and bets the Twins and Cards. I know he won at least $2K on a couple of days and we are damn near out of beer. Interesting guy. He's lived in the same house in Williston ND since 1946. HE went home with far more $$$ than he came with as both teams were on a terror and his Keno play was stellar.

    Damn, did I drink that beer already? No Tom, the cocktail waitress hasn't brought it yet.
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    Default Tolerance level advice needed for local casinos..

    Zee. I institute a 10x the table minimum criteria. In other words, if they can't take a $250 hit at a $25 min bet table then I didn't really want to play in the first place. I don't go over 20x. The price of winning is too high to pay. Their upside tolerance is also my downside stop. Doesn't mean I'm done for the day. IF just means I take a break and WANT them to record my loss. Hence, a 17-4 (of long sessions) record is does not look good on a computer screen. But 37-24 (of short sessions) if far less noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Midwest player writes:
    I decided to just look at my 2018 three day blackjack trips to see how I did. I had good variance last year and not one was a loser. Most of these trips were close to 20 hours of blackjack play, and most were with a max bet of $100, maybe a few bets with max of $200. Here is a list of all my 2018 three day trip reports (two day trips are excluded). The figures are rounded to nearest hundred dollars from biggest win to smallest win.
    1) $2,300
    2) $1,500
    3) $1,300
    4) $1,200
    5) $1,000
    6) $800
    7) $700 (Wendover single deck-Includes some green chip play)
    8) $700
    9) $400
    10 $100
    Average 3 day winning trip for 2018 $976. It just happens that most of the figures above were over 50 and got rounded up.
    Assuming each trip cost $500 on average, thanks goodness for those top 3 trips. Otherwise, you would have lost $100 for the year (rounded up).
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    Default Weebles wobble but they don't fall down

    Two interesting styles of play. We have Doppler at (blackjack info) who remains under the radar by sitting out and not playing hands. HA! Get it. Doppler! Radar!

    Then we have Midnight Toker, formerly Cheech and Chong who smoked far too may doobies in the 70's, and now believes blackjack is one lifelong session. Of course, he has been sitting at a table in the Great North for 4 over straight years now.
    Ironically, they are both even.
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    Cheesous (Midwest Player) writes:
    Yes, I was looking into this. Seniors can ride for half fare I believe so $10.50 round trip on train and if you buy casino shuttle pass on internet cost would be $20 I think. So about $30 to get from airport to Black Hawk and back. My concern was the train drops you off in the middle of no where. No building or terminal. I had concerns about safety especially about hauling along a suit case with me. It is a way to reduce expenses by over a $100.

    You're killing me Petey. You're killing me. People have spent less time buying a house. picking a college to attend, or making decision on 16v10 . Rent the damn car. Stay off the damn toll lanes. Stay on i70. You and Gloria Gaynor will survive. Network with Zee and split the cost of a car rental. No? You gotta loves these guys. Tom, is 77, drives all the way from Williston, ND to Reno once a year and stays for 6 weeks. Talk about sheltered. He's lived in the same house since 1946. Lou is 82 and has more piss and vinegar in him than most 28 year old's. He is in the casino every damn day driving nice guys, like me, nuts.

    Point is,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qztuEucrNBc
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    Hitthat 16 writes:
    Wendover used to roll out the red carpet for me. I never paid a dime for anything there as it was all RFB. Then once upon a time my bankroll could afford green to black chip action. On the third trip of playing quarters there the once smiling faces turned into the look Daenerys Targaryen had right before torching Kings Landing. I was rudely told to never return and nearly had a back room experience.

    Just tread lightly. Spread politely as you don’t need a big spread at all.

    It goes from Mayberry to Deliverance in a big damn hurry when you go from playing nice with red chips to competing with green chips.

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