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    Default Snitch and Snatch

    Zee and 21Forme are BJTF version of Starsky and Hutch. Snitch and Snatch.

    In todays episode Zee started his 352 thread which make many laugh, but few care. 21Forme has Zee on ignore as he does everyone else on the forum and every forum he belongs too. Yet, Snitch and Snatch go at it once again. Zee surmises how his posts attract so much participation. Yet, 9 and the 16 posts in the Trip Report thread are either by Zee or 21ForIGnore.

    I mean who does that? Well, I gotta run up to room and jot some stuff down so everyone will know what I'm doing.

    Zee writes to 21Forme: I dont think Norm wants people attacking other posters. If it bothers you, skip my threads. It does seem that no matter what I post, it ends up being a long thread.

    When Norm closed one thread at 6 posts and another at 56 posts? That should've been a clue. Here's you sign. Zee had 3025 posts when he inquired about deleting posts. Now he has 3033. Great work Zee.

    21Forme really needs to join more forums so he can put more posters on ignore...and write under Hidden Member Name. Yes, his "member" is hidden alright. I guess that would make him Snatch.
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    21 forme writes: No matter what anyone posts, it winds up a long thread.

    Gee, I don't know Snatch. The thread Adding AA78mTc side count to High Low stands at just 884.

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    Default Brief Trip Reports and Earnings Reports

    Norm:

    If there is one mantra constantly repeated on your forum. It's the "long run." So, wouldn't you say brief trip reports and short earning are basically useless?

    They have about as much perspective as the Cheating and Disadvantage forums. All it does it create turmoil and make your job more difficult.


    Zee writes: A wonderful trip had gone bad. I was upset, so I got back in my car abandoned the rest of the trip (which had stops in Cincinnati and back at all the casinos on the way) and drove home. After getting home I cursed myself for abandoning the planned trip after losing just $400 of the trip bank roll ($10k) I started out with. I also think I should have not played as longs as I did (4+ hours) in one session.

    Funny stuff.

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    Default DBS6582 writes;

    He just said he quite early.

    I sometimes think some APs, specifically 21forme and RCJH, need to take a reading comprehesion course.
    You get no argument from me here. RCJH is crowned herself the BJTF forum queen ever since Flash was banned. Do you know what RCJH stands for? You should ask about Flash's version.

    They continue to attack Zee for giving advice when he doesn’t do that. All he does is give a report on his trip and 21forme and RCJH go into attack mode, accussing Zee of doing something he has NOT done.

    Well Bob. I'm going out on a limb here without viewing and map to say Cincinnati is a good distance from Z3's home in Mizzou. He left with $10k and drove home when he lost $400 without stopping on the way back. He is in his 70's. So much for the long run. Evidently, Zee's turban is wrapped way too tight.

    Zee is my hero for being able to take on all these goofballs.

    True. Forums without goofballs is like a golf course without golf balls.

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    But the bigger point is Zee has NOT given any advice in his post. Why do APs keep calling him out for giving advice when he’s not doing that? All he does is report on his trip, and he even adds commentary that he probably did things wrong.

    Perhaps it's the 300 plus threads started (correct me if I'm wrong) and he never does anything to improve his game. Just tons of statements and questions. I believe "Bat shit crazy" is the Midwest term for it.

    What’s wrong with that?

    Well, you do have a point. KJ does the same thing and 21forme thinks he is Mr. Wonderful.

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    Default Zee writes:

    Correct! And the psychological pressures are hard to overcome for some. There are some who succeed at the red chip level and assume that because they consistently won at that level, its time to quit their current job and become a full time AP. For me, its one thing to put out a max bet of $200, another to put out one of $500+ (even if I have the BR).

    Exactly why your game needs work. You use basketball phrases quite often. Norm has the keys to the gym but you won't go in and practice your shot. Instead you stand outside and complain/explain why everyone else is a better shooter than you. If you don't know what tag values will work for you in your game then you have no idea what they will do to you when you don't even know your game...and that is 90% of your problem. If you can't be Verite in the quiet of your home, what makes you think you can win in the hustle and bustle of a casino?

    It's the difference between driving back home from Cincinnati as opposed to finally arriving and kicking ass. It's the difference between knowing when to take that $500 bet and knowing the opportunity finally arrived vs. walking away from it because your afraid you will fail. YOU have to want the ball when the big shot needs to be taken. Don't point at the other players because there are none...there is only YOU.

    The game is about psychological relief for you and not putting too much of it on your opponent.
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    Default 21forme dipshit writes

    Bosox - please don't bring the trash talk of unmoderated forums here. Some (most?) of us have no interest in the BS at Vegastalk or the ramblings of a lunatic on ZZ.
    Norm, please delete this thread.

    You don't run anything correct? If I'm writing about you here then it means you are so far out of step with the rest of the class that you get sent to the Principals office. Get a life dumbass. You're wasting it away worrying about nothing(s) you think you can control but clearly cannot. All you do is bitch...and no one ever listen to you. But you're too stupid to notice.

    Norm writes; Keep the trash at other forums off this one. Closed

    Atta boy Norm. Now, get rid of the snitch (21Forme) who bashes you on other forums and all your problems are solved. You're welcome.
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    Zee writes:
    Reading this thread What have you heard other players/Casino personnel say about you/your play?? one would think every time one makes the correct deviation, they win, shock ploppies and dealers who disagree with the decision. There are plenty of times when you make the correct decision, get insurance, split 10's, double A8 against the advice of ploppies and dealers and you lose and it's their turn to think you are an idiot.

    This thread is fast becoming a show-off display.

    Bob, now is the time to ask Zee to tell the A7 story about the cowboy sitting next to him at 3am. Absolutely hilarious.
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    Originally Posted by Obi-wan21 750$

    21Forme writes:
    Would you please put the $ in FRONT of the number, where it belongs?


    That's actually very funny. HE must be reading Zen Zone more lately. Hmmm. I wonder if the $ in the back represent a loss?

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    Default How Much Do You Keep in Your Checking Account

    Let's hope one of the more successful threads started by Midwest Player has finally run it's course. Who thinks or ask questions like that? Go back and read some of his many started threads. Yes Norm, vital information for a blackjack player in that stuff. What is wrong with you?

    Hell, I just figured out that it snows in the winter in Wisconsin, it's best to rent a car to get from Denver to Blackhawk, and now how much I should keep in my checking account. Holy cow, what are you guys, like 16, opening up your first bank account? VITAL INFORMATION being distributed at BJTF. You DON'T want to miss it.
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    Default Zee thread: Brief trip to Vegas: Advice needed...

    Zee writes:
    I travelled to Las Vegas a number of times before but always landing there on a Thursday night and departing on the red eye flight on Saturday night, basically having 2 full days. Sometimes, I travelled on a wednesday and returned on Sunday. However, after analyzing the past year, after expoenses, I was barely making $20 an hour for about 10-15 hours of play. So, this year, I changed plans and on my second trip to Las Vegas this year, I left on a Monday night, returned on the red eye flight on Friday, essentiually having 4 full days to play. Given my age and stamina, that amounted to about 6 hours a day of playing or 24 hours for the trip. I actually ended up playing only 16 hours. I played mostly DD games (90%) and some 6 deck games. First the brief bottom line..but unusual results..

    Arrived late Monday night, went out to play Tuesday. Played about 6 hours in 7 casinos and ended the day up $1100. Next day, Wednesday, again I played about 6-7 casinos, ended up losing the $1100 plus another $400. Had my single luckiest day on Thursday and won $3300. I decided not to play on Friday. I had won about $2800+ after expenses. Either I wanted to preserve my win and grin my way home or more likely, I was burnt out and simply wanted to take the day off.

    It appears you wanted to brag about your good fortune than actually get advice. So, let me get this straight, you have no idea where you're are going to play before your flight leaves. You hit 6 or 7 casinos in 6 hours and just make money. The ability for you and Midwest Player to always jump out in front and stay ahead during the duration of you trip is uncanny.

    So, back to your question. I'd never play a hand until I visited the casinos on my route at least once. I'd be looking at DD games, depth of pen, rules and 3.2 and number of tables to play throughout various times of the day. Vegas would probably be a two week trip just to get a visual of all this mentioned. There would probably be a few casinos I could throw out for various reasons. Then I'd develop a plan and/or route. A cheap flight would be nice but my length of stay would be based on the plan or route to make the most efficient process to select the best games. TIME is MONEY. Hitting 12 to 14 casinos in 12 hours is a helluva lot of pavement time. Fortunately for you, showing up and making money is easy. Most of us have to WORK at it.

    So now, you waltz in to Vegas, make $2800 in just 3 days and you want someone else to plan a route for you? Generally speaking, the fight in the dog comes from what's within the dog in the fight. But, hey, if you can just show up and make money? More power to you. There are thousands who cannot even make $20 and hour for about 10-15 hours of play. BTW, which is it $200 or $300? I mean if everyone could do it with no plan and no game why would the casinos offer it in the first place? They've never impressed me as being to keen on giving away money.

    I fulfiulled my purpose, quit playing but my original post was not about that. It was that I was sweeking advice on how to structure a route, given my stakes (playing $25 min. DD) and $10 6 deck games. In Vegas, I was finding some casinos that were difficult to play in the morning, others too crowded on evenings and weekends, etc.

    Firstly, drop 6 deck games from your portfolio. IT only represents 10% of your time and even less the 1/2 of your bet per hand. Plus, we all due respect, I question your ability to maintain an accurate count. Next, throw out all 6.5 games and 3.2 without at least 50% pen. Hence, your time spend playing a shoe at a crowded table could be better spent finding a DD game at an empty table. Next, throw out all casinos known for extreme heat. Like the sweaty Spaniard. Once your name is on a list it doesn't come back off. IF your are not going to use a players cards, then it's unlikely you will receive offers for free rooms. You should know the shift changes at every casino you play.

    Spend your down time improving your game. We know that isn't going to happen. Stop zooming all over the country and focus on where your can get the best exchange of your money, value, and time. In others words the most games, the best games in an area, and the lowest heat. Proper game selection is key for anyone beyond 60. Time is of the essence. THAT is simply not going to happen in Colorado. You'd be better off going back to Vegas - only with a plan or to get a plan. But heck, you'll walk into Blackhawk and back out in a couple of days with $2k after expenses. So what the hell do I know?



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    I played but the pit not being busy, stood over the table. Drove next to Sunset but again, empty at about 10:00 a.m. Drove down to Green Valley and played there a while, few patrons around, pit keeping a close eye.

    Well then, you don't have a viable game. I'm not sure what you mean by "close eye." Standing at your table is a no brainer. Close eye could be paranoia. What is the tradeoff? If they are standing at the table it means don't play. The ramifications could be huge. Your bet spread automatically moves with the count in HiLO. Don S did a great job of designing the frequency of bet in a positive count to maximize SCORE in a game of cards played by people. However, if the pit is standing at the table or keeping a close eye? The bet frequency of moving with the count is a killer in a game of people played with cards.

    Let's suppose you come up with 12 casinos where you can play your game. If you play non carded and know the shift times, that is like having 24 casinos to chose from if you can sustain your endurance over two shifts or parts thereof. Screw the weekends. Too many people coming and going from your table. Catch a flight out Sunday night. Get a good nights rest and be ready to play on Monday morning. Let's say your course involved 9am to 8pm. That is a full day. You could drop back to 7am in order to catch some of the graveyard shift. Play Friday morning and catch a flight out in the afternoon when everyone else is coming to play for the weekend.

    Now, in the OP, you took the last day off in or to secure a profit for the trip. Suppose you would've made another $1500 that day. Yes, if you lost $1,500 you might feel like shit on the flight home. Now, suppose you lose $1,500 on the Colorado trip the first day. Your options for play are limited certainly compared to Las Vegas. Point is, I've yet to see a player yet make money with his butt in a rental car or an airplane seat. In order to make money you have to play. In order to play you should have game. Now, we are back to the root of your problem. You don't have game or confidence in your game.

    On last point Zee. Suppose I live in Vegas or travel to Vegas frequently and my course was down pat. Why would I tell you or anyone for that matter? Let's alone put it out there on a blackjack forum. It's one of those things you are going to having learn and determine for yourself. On the flipside, why would I take the advice from someone who lays it out for me on a forum just because I ask them?
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    Default Zee vs 21Forme

    Drop the word, constructive, and try hard not to post to me, for me or about me. Just address the OP or better yet, stay off any thread I initiate. You are a great AP, I am not and while I know the need of some AP's to get their hostilities out on newbies and recreational player posters, it just does not suit you to get on every thread I post.

    Zee reminds me of my friend Bob. He is what he is and there is no changing him. This is frustrating to those who cannot accept him for who he is. Other the hand, why should Bob change just so others around him feel more at ease? I get his point, he is happy in his world and is a survivor in a world where most of us would fail...and that's bothersome.

    I think the difference is Bob sits quietly and keeps to himself as opposed to broadcasting his perceived inefficiency on a forum. In 21Forme defense, Zee is reaching out for help and doesn't take it. Bob never asks a thing of anyone and seems to get an abundance of good fortune thrown in his direction. It's difficult for hard workers and those addicted to efficiency to read or hear about those who don't consider hard work or efficiency a priority.

    I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong. I am saying this is why Zee and Bob catch so much shit.

    Brief Las Vegas trip report and needing advice.. Why post this thread. You didn't want advice. Were you that proud of your $2800 good fortune that you thought the AP forum should you achieved this accomplishment and took a day off? You must have known that would ruffle some feathers..


    Is Colorado worth a trip for BJ (not sightseeing). Here is my point. You were right there in Vegas and took a day off. Now you want to go to Colorado and replace that day. So you spend another day another day on a car rental and motel room(s). The are may 1/20th playing opportunities in Colorado as opposed to Vegas. Sight see in Colorado. Play blackjack in Vegas. How difficult is that to grasp?

    A guy comes walking up to Skip and asks for some money because he is hungry. Skip is a helluva generous guy. So he gives the guy a $20 and a free buffet coupon. The guy comes back around 9.15pm. He is still hungry and wants more money from Skip. So Skip asks what did you do with the $20 I gave you and the free coupon? Well, the guy answers, "I stopped at a machine and blew the $20, and by the time I got to the buffet it was closed." Skip replies, "if you're that friggin stupid, you're just fa-fa-fucked. I don't know what to tell ya."


    21Forme writes to Zee
    You are now back on my ignore list. I won't see your posts unless someone quotes them.

    Which begs the question. How did he get off? You've put Zee on ignore or anyone else you didn't want to communicate with many times. Don your cape FUDD.
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    Midwest players writes:

    Zee, if you are ever planning on going back to the Colorado casinos you are going do have to reduce expenses. It is pretty hard to increase revenue due to the $100 max bet. It appears your biggest expense is your hotel bill. At some point in the trip I would consider playing rated at a couple of places to see if they will send you room comps. I probably would start out my trip playing unrated because I wouldn't want to get kicked out right away, but maybe on second or third day try playing rated with a polite spread at just a couple of places to see if you can get any comps. If they are that sweaty it is a place you don't want to go back to anyway.

    You have a great airfare price. It would be possible to reduce expenses even more by taking the casino shuttle bus instead of renting a car, but for first time I would probably rent a car.

    It seems like you two are mixing up your venues of sightseeing vs blackjack. If you want to play blackjack, then go to a place where many games are offered like Las Vegas. It would've been nice if MP would've listed the places he visited and expenses during the 10 trips last year. Laughlin and Wendover are not worth the investment of time. I'm not sure about the expenses. But even if it's free. Is there enough to sustain someone for more than a couple of days with quality games?

    I wouldn't go to Lake Tahoe simply for the purpose of playing blackjack. But if I were visiting friends, which happens a couple of times a year, then I might play a little before returning home. It we go to see the sights, have a picnic etc. etc. I'm probably not going to play because game mode would not be the mindset for the day. But Colorado? Those little towns are basically set up for people out of Denver and Colorado Springs to visit and gamble. The popularity grew after Centennial was closed and Dog Racing was shut down. Even my friends who live their that are serious about blackjack travel to Vegas to compete. Even some that aren't. It's where they get the better return on their investment of money...and time.

    There are some wonderful places to sightsee. Especially, in Colorado. My friends, who are in their 70's, considered it the highlight of the 6 week tour.
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    Default POLL: Anyone else think new user SkinnyBJplayer is moses?

    Sorry Snitch. It's not me. I sorta thought is was Tarzan. Good to know I'm still in your head iggy.
    Check out Mr.Fatcat at blackjackinfo. Interesting contrast. No?
    or Andy Travolta (John's Brother).


    Red juicy C H writes in Pit Boss counting down a shoe.
    I saw a dual rate making marks on a paper. It had three columns, 2-6, 7-9, and 10 and A. He knew how to count, but couldn't so he used a paper.

    Now that was Tarzan. Here is a hint. Get rid of the 2 and the 8. If someone is including these tags in their count, they are playing a losing game anyway.

    21Forme replies:
    Funniest one I experienced was a DD pitch game in S. Washington state.
    Very fast dealer. Phone rang in the pit. Next, PB came over to the dealer and said, "deal face up and slow down. Surveillance can't keep up with the count." I had already been there an hour, so I played one more max bet cycle and left for across the street.

    Hmmm. Not funny queer. Not funny HA HA. Not really funny. Here is a hint, try making your boring ass posts in big bold blue ink.
    Or just post under Hidden Member Name. That way no one will know it's you. Not that anyone really cares. Stay off the sauce when posting.

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    It's someone's sock puppet, that's for sure. I'm sure they'll be banned before too long
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    Yes. He has been completely out of line. lol You two idiots are worse than junior G pit bosses. Ban 'em all. Shrewed! Geezous, Merry and Fairy.

    The OP should get a 3 day Supper for bringing up the sacred name of Moses on his sight in the first place. A Ram sin.
    It used to be Cardinal but they moved from St Louis. Like The Refinery isn't a puppet? O please. I peed.

    ...And what's up with that one forum copying all your threads? Yes, I'm behind that one also. Someone is just a wee bit paranoid. LMAO


    Wow. 3 Yes votes and 0 No's. I will bet anyone of you fuckers $29k that SkinnyBJplayer is not Moses. However, when posts are low, the name "Moses" does seem to create lots of activity on various forums. But Norm's posts have not been low. Boring as hell. But not low. See Norm, I stick up for you. You're my friend.

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