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    Zee writes:
    For 98% of those who go into card counting, this is all you can be, a recreational card counter. Sort of like all those who like basketball, only 1% can get to the NBA, maybe 10% can be pros eeking out a living and the other 90% end up enjoying the local gyms.

    It's takes a lot of work. But a dedicated baller could get all or part of his college paid for. Get a job in coaching after college and earn a living. Many go into officiating as it provides a significant additional income to a regular job. Key word here is WORK. Like blackjack, the majority of the work load his front loaded.

    Nobody just reads a book, shows up and enjoys instant success. But the KJ's of the world seem to think this is the case in blackjack. NOT! IF you tried that in basketball you'd look like a complete fool.
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    21forme writes:
    Which is one of the many handles of that troll and asshole dbs, who you can't stop interacting with, which is what he thrives on. This is exactly why you got backed off from BJ21. Every thread degenerates into an endless pissing match. Maybe Norm will put an end to it one of these days.

    Now I'm confused. DBS, Bob21, and many others claims he is not UstonZen. How is that different from the Flash brigade? You mean like the endless pissing matches you instigate with Midwest Player and Zee? You followed and hounded Zee to a forum about cars. You're a weird fucker. Keep sticking your head in the sand and expecting results. You're dumb fucker too.

    I will say this Norm. All this puppeteering you allow is ruining the credibility of your products.

    How about actually trying to resolve an issue instead of never ending discussions of useless bullshit? O you didn't like that either? Look what you got by following the advice from the 21Forme mindless dipshit.

    Last edited by Moses; July 13th, 2019 at 12:41 PM.

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    21Forme:
    Probably not dbs. Your posts don't ramble on like his. Not sure who you are, but in any case, I'm done commenting on it.

    Translation: I fucked up. I will stick my head back in the sand and bitch later at a more opportune time. What a piece of work! 21Forme is mentally irregular.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyxS...ature=youtu.be
    Last edited by Moses; July 14th, 2019 at 10:07 AM.

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    Zee writes:
    the problem is that I am lousy with using software.

    Based on your constant questions and comments, it doesn't appear you're exactly a stellar blackjack player either. Consider it does look you're trying to get answers without studying for the test. You will continue in a state of confusion trying to build a game based solely on answers you receive on a forum.

    For most other things, my son or daughter helps figure out. Unfortunately, it’s something my wife does not want me to get my kids interested in BJ.

    Smart lady. It is one of the most difficult challenges that exist. Sadly, many have created the notion the game is easy. Success doesn't come without a lot of hard work. And the workload is even more without utilizing your tools to some degree. Try to answer the question yourself before just throwing it out there on a forum. It WILL make you a better player.

    I did purchase CVCX some years ago when I got a floppy disk or CD. I did load it and did try playing around with it, got optimal bets from it. However, that computer is gone, and Zi no longer have the CD. How is it done now? Do I download from site? Is it easy to figure out some stuff for an ignoramous like me? I am not comfortable spending money again. I have a rough idea of how to play but it’s nowhere near 100% accurate, betting or deviations.

    You refuse to change your count. You bounce back and forth between double deck and shoes like a pinball. You fall into most off of the casino traps.

    Let the game come to you. Take what they give you. Compete for more. But walk away without hurting them too much.

    The casino is like a neighbor kid getting boxing gloves for his birthday. If I go over and beat his ass, with his own gift, the gloves will be in the trash the next day. IF I win too much money in a session? I will be looking for a new place to play. Why? Because there are so many others that always hand their money over easily.

    For the umpteenth time. Spend 10 days playing 1,000 hands a day on Verite. That's 100 an hour for 10 hours a day. An example of 10k hands or probably about 3 or 4 months of casino play for Zee. Play exactly the way you play in the casino. Record your results on a spreadsheet, just like you do in casino. You will soon recognize your flaws. But you won't be out of pocket because of them.

    Sadly, I've learned that blackjack forums are filled with simpletons, braggers, and wannabee's. Thus a deeper discussion cannot exist. Quite frankly, I get more answers by talking to myself.
    Last edited by Moses; July 25th, 2019 at 12:04 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Then consider adding side-counts or going to a higher level count. Don't try and sit down and play Hi-Opt II with multiple side-counts on your first session. Work your way up and it will be easy. Try and do too much the first time and it may well be overwhelming.[/QUOTE]

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    Is this not good enough to start a count debate? Should people be ditching their HiLo, Reko, others?

    It's too bad the words "count debate" are viewed as something derogatory to the game. Personally, I believe there is nothing more important to ones game than the value one assigns to the cards. But that's me. Only YOU can answer your question above and you can answer it without the products and learning how to use them and assess the information supplied right at your fingertips.

    Zee, there IS NO shortcut. You've been trying to take one for several years now. Think where you be by learning to resolve your own questions with the products. Don't give me the "I'm not a smart man" standard answer you give to others. I don't buy it. You are very smart...when you choose to be.

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    As I admit, I find myself playing till I win or lose all my trip BR. I should know when to quit (when I don’t have enough session BR left) and hoping folks would share when they decide to quit, assuming a depleting session BR.

    I posted it also because there seem to be several newbies on the forum these days. They too might like to hear from you.

    Zee. With all due respect. You're not helping newbies. You're crippling them.

    21Forme writes:
    You're still missing the point. You should have an adequate BR with you, for your level of play, so this never happens.
    P.S. I'm posting this to educate the newbies, not to get on your case.

    The standard answer to newbies is; 1.) Buy Norm's products. 2.) Use Norm's products. 3.) Determine the tag values you want to assign based on sim results for your game. 4.) Play out 10k hands exactly the way you plan to play in a casino. 5.) Research archives of Norm's forum. 6.) Then ask questions.

    Worst case scenario is you lost the little amount invested for buying the software in exchange for knowledge. This is nothing compared to the amount you will lose playing in a casino unprepared.

    Simple. No?

    Trying to "save the newbie" who can't or won't help himself is "screwing the newbie." This comes from a guy who doesn't even like Norm. But I like winning. And his products offer the advantage of running on the inside lane.
    Last edited by Moses; July 26th, 2019 at 02:30 PM.

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    Default Zee, ZEE, ZZZEEEE

    Zee writes:
    Call a pit boss over, complain, say "I dont count cards but I determine my chances of a BJ on the next round based upon whether anyone else had an Ace and bet accordingly. I was in Las Vegas and played in a lot of casinos there and they always turned up cards".

    Holy crap Zee. Please don't tell me you're serious and have really done this. Seriously, you don't think you're going to change their mind. Do you? Okay Erma, "flip the cards over next time so Zee can see. Whew, we are so relieved. We thought you we counting. So relieved to learn you are not simply because you said you weren't."

    The 2nd dumbest story I ever heard in my life was when a security officer walked up to me and said he took a lady he met to a motel room. You know, the same ones he's suppose to be identifying and removing from the casino that employs him. She told him to shower and get ready for this night of his life. She didn't lie.

    HE came out and everything was gone. His money, his credit cards, cell phone, even his pants. He found his pants in a dumpster a couple of blocks away.

    The dumbest story I ever heard was the fact he was telling me, nearly a complete stranger, what happened to him.
    Last edited by Moses; July 29th, 2019 at 01:13 AM.

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    Default What inspired you to get into Advantage Play Blackjack?

    Zee writes:
    Most all the answers are from those who have been counting for a few years or less. It’s year 4-5 that the backoffs come and by year 10, you get pretty burnt out. Only a very few survive for longer but they start looking for alternate careers, be it running forums or teaching or something else.

    The game is supposed to be fun. When it stops being fun. Don't play. Simple. No? At 100k hands a year, which is a load, you'd play your millionth hand in 10 years. A million hands is a blip on a sim. Most of the "Pros" haven't play even 1/2 that many hands in their lifetime. So the guy who starts play today with the dedication it takes for 50k hands annually hits a million hands in the summer of 2039. And of course, by the 3rd or 4th year he will be making $100k annually, with HiLO, for the next 15 or 16 years. So what's all this talk about the long run?


    Zee writes: Personally, I prefer being backed off. They can make it quite embarrassing. I am sitting with 5 other poppies and the pit guy whispers something to the dealer. Dealer shuffles up, then next shoe he places card cutting off 2/3 of shoe. Ploppy asks why and dealer says someone is counting cards. I am sitting there with the chips. Another time, I sit down and the dealer cuts off 2/3 of deck, says “card counter at table” and everyone stares at me.

    Its just awkward.

    Especially, if it's that Stetson guy. That would be downright scary. Really, they should just post the running count on a tote board behind the table.
    Most people can't handle
    money and you'd walk awake when the TC got too high anyway.
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    Default Moses, your basic math skills slipping to ZeeBabar levels

    If Pros play 100k rounds per year, how do you calculate it will take 20 years to reach 1 million rounds played? Just asking the question that begged to be asked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Zee writes:
    Most all the answers are from those who have been counting for a few years or less. It’s year 4-5 that the backoffs come and by year 10, you get pretty burnt out. Only a very few survive for longer but they start looking for alternate careers, be it running forums or teaching or something else.

    The game is supposed to be fun. When it stops being fun. Don't play. Simple. No? At 100k hands a year, which is a load, you'd play your millionth hand in 20 years. A million hands is a blip on a sim. Most of the "Pros" haven't play even 1/2 that many hands in their lifetime. So the guy who starts play today with complete dedication hits a million hands in the summer of 2039. And of course, by the 3rd or 4th year he will be making $100k annually, with HiLO, for the next 15 or 16 years. So what's all this talk about the long run?


    Zee writes: Personally, I prefer being backed off. They can make it quite embarrassing. I am sitting with 5 other poppies and the pit guy whispers something to the dealer. Dealer shuffles up, then next shoe he places card cutting off 2/3 of shoe. Ploppy asks why and dealer says someone is counting cards. I am sitting there with the chips. Another time, I sit down and the dealer cuts off 2/3 of deck, says “card counter at table” and everyone stares at me.

    Its just awkward.

    Especially, if it's that Stetson guy. That would be downright scary. Really, they should just post the running count on a tote board behind the table.
    Most people can't handle
    money and you'd walk awake when the TC got too high anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoFlaLaw View Post
    If Pros play 100k rounds per year, how do you calculate it will take 20 years to reach 1 million rounds played? Just asking the question that begged to be asked.
    Correct. My Bad. I was thinking most daily players have a hard time getting in 50K (quality) rounds per year. Somehow typed 100k thinking it would still take a decade of 100k per year. THAT's a load of blackjack.

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    Originally Posted by Freightman Just once. I split the seam of my pants at the upper thigh and critter sniffed ball sweat on my index finger.

    Hilarious. Haven't had a soda up my nose in a long time.


    Zee writes:
    I worry for you. Knew a friend who ended up in wheel chair, dementia and a need to expose his balls. His wife and kids had to endure some awful situations as he was so obsessed with his genitalia that he forgot everything but the ASZm

    Maybe his turbin was wrapped to tight.

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