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    Default Is Bulb a casino spy?

    Bob 21, DBS6582 writes

    Hey Kj, great post! I thought one of your better ones. You kinda made me feel special when you said “our very own Bob21”. Even though I’m on several forums (256 to be exact), I do kind of feel like this is my home base, since I like the way this forum is run. It’s by far the best one out there.

    Ahem. 2nd Best.

    I was surprised the way this whole thing blew up on BJTF. Who knew it’d be just a select few, Zee and me, banned from BJA. It’s quite an honor that I don’t take lightly. How many APs do you think have got banned for being pro-tipping? I’ll bet I’m the first one. Only in the AP world. Got to love it. Lolo

    Hmmm. How many Christians were banned from church for being pro tithing? Naw, we just came in to get warm and some free soup. BTW, who is that guy yakking up front at the pulpit?

    I thought you brought up some good points about the difference between most Gambling sites and BJA. BJA actively recruits new players, which we all know is bad for all of us. I never quite thought about it the way you put it, but it makes sense.

    KJ would know. He's been banned from many sites and there isn't a moderator yet who runs their site to his liking. OF course, he had this site where KJ could talk about KJ and blew it. Evidently, he "blows" a lot of things.

    This is why I’ve always thought parasite best describes what an AP does. I know it’s not a popular description, but I think it’s an accurate one. What is a parasite? It’s an organism that lives off its host. The host has to be healthy, or the parasite can’t survive. Too many parasites on a host and both the host and parasite die. A host can only support so many parasites, before it dies or finds a way to remove them.

    A hos is a hos of course of course. He'll give you the answer that you endorse. He's always on a steady course? Talk to Mister Ed.

    While we all fantasize about winning so much money we “bring down the house”, in reality, we don’t want this to happen. If this happened, we wouldn’t have anywhere to go to make money. We need casinos to be healthy, so we can be healthy.

    Or in KJs case. Lie like a mother f'er. He defies the mafia!

    As you’ve stated, this is why it’s in all of our interest to not try to grow the number of APs. It doesn’t benift anybody (casino or AP), to have more parasites (I mean more APs) extracting money from a casino.

    The illusion of competition to someone who is already way ahead of us is simply not prudent. No play today. No play tomorrow. 6.5 shoes and NMSE.
    That is where these idiots are heading with all this. Review history. Casinos make blackjack games more difficult because idiots like KJ and Bosox can't stifle themselves.


    Anyway, just something to think about.

    Okay Bulb. Let's assume your are a casino spy. I know, I know, bare with me. The first inclination of the idiots is to make you out as the enemy. But consider, for a moment, we are on the same side. IF you constantly arrest the Mayor for loitering, who will be left to play the game? IF the casinos change the games to 6.5 shoes. Tables will still be full on weekends and a few idiots with an inheritance and gambling issues will play throughout the week. However, stricter rules makes your job easier. So...if your job is now easier, why do we need so many of you? Hence, who needs the Deputy if all the townspeople are locked up in jail?

    Let's go one more step. Casinos have installed blackjack machines with some video of a gorgeous inviting lady saying "come play with me." Look at the number of jobs eliminated because of that one machine...and there is plenty of room to install more. The services of dealers, pit bosses, EITS, and even cocktail waitress are no longer in need. And yes, give the average dipshit enough booze, he will not only play the machine, he will be flirting with the gal on the screen.

    Too many parasites on a host and both the host and parasite die.

    So let me get this straight. Guys like you, pit bosses, casino management, or personnel are the parasites because you read and follow information made readily available to you from blackjack forums and camps. Guys like Colin Oscopy and Dan Drury because they make money off idiots with entitlement issues chasing a dream are the good guys.
    Hmmm. Dan Drury = Dan Druff?

    KJ and Bosox create confusion to confound the understanding with lies and absolute bullshit are the good guys. So as a collective group. Who is the parasite again?




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    Default Midwest Player thread. 256 Handles?

    How can you have time to visit that many forums, and how could you remember them? I'm lucky if I signed up for 10 different forums in my entire life.

    His latest threads have made about as big of a thud as when he hits the ground after falling off his roof. However, in the words of Jim Garrison, "answer the question, answer the question."

    I think you could be T3 on forumoids. You're definitely not a puppet. You think for yourself, have a brain, and use it. Also, a master at fucking with people including Freighter and me.
    Bosox is wearing a football helmet 24/7 daily now because you've got him so mad. Would someone please tell him to twist it around so he doesn't keep looking through the earhole? Geezeous! See I have compassion.





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    Good idea. Also, having numbers in back of my new handle will help forum defective, Bosox, figure out who I am. I know he enjoys this type of detective work. Hope he doesn’t read this so he can figure it out without any hints.
    I wouldn't count on it. Even if he does read it? He will still struggle. Here's your sign.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMEqCIVl8A
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    Default Rare Bird

    As entertainment? I enjoyed reading it. I like the way Zee writes and his honesty. I think people can learn from his real life experiences too. I don’t take his posts so much as adivce, as this is what happened to him on his trip.

    You are a rare bird in this world Bob. You're having a good time. I'm having a good time watching you have a good time. lol I sure hope they all get that tipping thing figured out. Tater is worried sick over it. Way to stay in Queer Js head. He just exposed hundreds of the so called APs he describes. IDIOT!

    As entertainment? I stopped reading Z3 a long time ago. You wouldn't believe the money I save on aspirin now.
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    Default Detective Bosox

    Suppose Bosox decided to use his investigative forum skills on KJ. Now THAT would be entertaining.

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    You’re still missing my point Bobo. I do NOT thing casinos are good for our society. I think they are awful for our society. Have you read any of my posts? Please go back and read them. If I was in charge, I’d shut down every one of them, including the ones in Vegas. Obviously, that’s not going to happen.

    My point is people’s argument against casinos is missplaced. They should be upset with our government for allowing them. The casinos are doing what our government is asking them to do.

    I will give credit where credit is due. Bob is great at debate. In fact, if I ever want to is know something about casino operations, Bob is my #1 resource.

    However, with all due respect Bob. I simply don't give a fuck. I just want to go play some blackjack. Simple strokes for simple folks I guess.

    Tonight for instance. Some will be in the normal huge pissing contest over political issues. Others will be gushing over cocktail waitresses half their age. Some other asshole will be trying to give a seminar on what makes him the greatest sports handicapper on earth. He will end up exchanging the beat off/blow me hand jesters with another guy who disagrees. Another guy will get pissed because someone is clapping when the team they bet on scores. Someone else will get a red ass when some dipshit is constantly standing in front of his chair (instead of sitting in it) and blocking peoples view. Now, when I do go, which is rare, I take all this in and never say a word.

    However, when some dickhead takes it upon himself to get in my face when I'm minding my own biz? Well, unpleasant experience, doesn't quite cover the realm we are about to enter. Why can't these people in the sports book simply watch the game?

    So I ask you Bob. Why can't these APs on forums simply shut up and play the game? Why a bunch of braggers and wise asses with no intention of ever backing up anything they have to say?

    I mean gawd forbid someone go into a sports book with the idea of watching a game or someone discuss playing strategy on a blackjack forum.

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    Default KJ writes:

    But I would be willing to bet that my story adds up to most people on this forum. I mean sure there will be you and singer, and blackhole, and bob21 and whatever sockpuppet Moses is using, maybe coach belly....the usual anti-AP crowd who refuse to see anything add up, but for most normal, objective members of the site, who don't have an agenda, who aren't anti-AP because they hate players that use their brain to win instead of just donating their money to casinos, everything adds up just fine.

    Like this bag of shit for example. Unpleasant experience wouldn't begin to cover the realm if he went into his one of his temper tantrums to my face.
    I'd probably turn him over my knee which is probably what he has needed for years.

    This simple minded fuck doesn't know blackjack is a competition. He thinks it's so forums can have some sort of damn congeniality contest.

    However Bob, what you've failed to point out in the thread, either on purpose or not, is his numbers have some flaws. But rather than address the issues? He may as well be exchanging blow me/beat off hand jesters.
    The major question is how he manages to chase EV at 33 different casinos when most of his time is spent ranting on forums?

    Therefore Bob, in order to continue to play the game, regardless of all your knowledge about casinos, laws, management, personnel, and how it should be's, we all must first protect our game. KJ is far and away the most destructive force on blackjack forums to the game. His lies and deception will whiz off and insult casino management. Yet we all pay a price for it.

    Whether casinos are right or wrong is NOT the point. The fact is without them? We don't have a game.

    So Bob, this is your stage for the great debate. It's what you want and who you are. No?
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    Iím shocked at how little APs know about the casino industry. It looks like they get most of their information from word of mouth and speculation. Do some research and you might be surprised at what you find.

    Well Bob, is there something I should know? Right now, all I care about is the point spread on Indy vs Orlando on Saturday and getting in 4 sessions of blackjack tomorrow to reach 20 for the week. Glad I have you to keep me clued in. Great job of work on your thread today. I don't know what you're talking about but I know you know what you're talking about.

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    Default Telling the truth to Bob; NOT

    Bob writes:
    Look UCFX, I don’t know who anybody is anymore, including me. I have so many handles I can’t keep straight who I am. And kwelJ keeps switching back and forth between kj and spiderman. And when it comes to Bosox, I don’t know which Bobo I’m dealing with, Bobo, the clown or Bobo, the forum defective, or Bobo, the Bubble bee.

    Yes. I know the feeling. I'm about to grab ahold of the seat of my own britches and throw my ass off this forum. So when KJ wears that Spiderman jacket, does he also zip up the hood to cover his face? That would be radar par for the great GED. I wouldn't worry about Boldilox. If forum detectives where hunting dogs, he couldn't find his own food dish.

    I just resolved that Moses isn’t Tater and now you want me to take on the bigger question if Moses and UCFX are somehow connected. I’m going to save that riddle for another day. But I will say there sure are some similarities. If you aren’t Moses, you’re probably his long lost cousin or some relative with similar humor, and dislike for Kj.

    Actually, I'm Bob 21. But I'm wondering if Bob 21 is an imposter. UCFX is good friends with Moses - on most days of the week. I used to be Moses here but then I changed to Norm to get rid of KJ. So I banned Moses from BJTF so people would think Moses was Moses when actually he is Norm Al.

    Welcome back whoever you are.
    Thanks Bob. You're welcome Bob. Wait! Who is Bob? Bob is Boldilox's seeing eye dog. No? That's Rob. Singer? No "Pet"rie. Here boy. Hear Boy!

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    Bob writes:
    It was good to see Norm shut it down because this isn’t what Norm wants on his site. Lately, his site is mostly about newbie blackjack players asking some pretty stupid questions.

    There is still a bunch of insights. I mean I learned after 63 posts that it snows in Wisconsin in the winter...a lot.

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    As for Bosox, I passed him right away since he correctly quotes me, he got the point I was trying to make, and he understands why casinos are around. Bosox is a lot smarter than people on this site give him credit for. Iím starting to think we need to stop calling him Bobo, the clown. He will always be Bobo, forum detective to me.

    Okay Bob. I will give you some of that. But keep FUDD (For Um Deputy Detective) away from trying to be clever and judgmental. AND TEACH HIM HOW TO REPLY. No one knows what the flip he is or who is saying what. Again, for me, I don't why that casinos exist. Only that they do exist. It makes for betting on games and playing single deck blackjack a helluva lot easier.

    So question for you Bob. Is there a reason I should know why they exist?

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    Moses, you ask a valid question: You asked: “Is there a reason I should I know why casinos exists?”

    Of course, it doesn’t matter if all you want to do is play the games in a casino and win or lose some money.

    For the people (mostly APs) who are CONSTANTLY criticizing casinos and blaming them for the things outside their control (like bankruptcies, divorces, suicides, etc) then yes, I think it’s important to know why they exists. If you aren’t blaming casinos for things outside their control, then no, there is no reason to know why they exist.

    I guess I need to call myself Bulb. Light just went on. For me, it's no different than a bank. Get in. Get paid. Get out. For the forum APs it's sort of like a sportsbook. It seems everything is discussed except sports. On blackjack forums, quite often, everything is discussed except blackjack. Why? Because most writing on forums aren't actually practicing/working to improve their game because they believe they already have all the answers. But since they are rarely playing in a casino the questions really don't matter.

    This also speaks to all the tough talk. It's easy on a forum. Not so easy in public. Who are you going to be?
    The person who crosses the street with everyone else and shake your head when you know two girls are outnumbered by two guys and a girl? Or are you the one who doesn't cross and evens the odds. I'm not saying either is more right or more wrong. But I'm saying one should know what's "in" them before they ever leave the house. Or write on a forum. BTW, about 19 out of 20 cross the street.

    This will always be the result of casinos opening in new areas. Why? Because there are weak people in our society. As you know Moses, God didn’t make us perfect. It’s the same reason we have alcoholics. It’s the same reason we have fat people. Are the beer companies to blame for alcoholics? Is McDonald’s responsible for fat people. If you follow AP logic to its logical conclusion, then the answer is yes.

    I'm told my addiction is efficiency. Most jobs and sports performed had to be near perfect and at a brisk pace or failure was imminent. I ate McD today. I will work it off.

    If APs want me to quite defending casinos then they need to quite saying stupid, inaccurate things about casinos and they need to quite blaming casinos for things outside their control. When APs do that we’ll have a truce and I’ll quite calling APs idiots. Lol. By the way, I don’t think all APs are idiots. I’m an AP after all.

    People know casino personnel read these forums. Many of which have full authority to put an end to your game and no particular reason is needed. Thus I don't agree with the long run. These stories to help to newbies are just that. STORIES, to feed ones ego. IF one is going to play this game, you'd best figure it out. Hand holding won't get a newbie very far. Work hard and work smart is required. There is such a thing as cruelty but no such thing as entitlement. Still want to play to pay bills? Didn't think so.

    Moses, if you remember this was my main conflict I had on BJTF. I defended casinos and everybody else attacked me and blamed casinos for things outside their controlled. APs are also upset at casinos for kicking them out. As for me, I understand why casinos kick me out. They are a business and they want to make money. It makes sense they would NOT want APs around. There is no business that wants customers that take money from them, without adding any value.
    It's not like one isn't aware of the circumstances from the start. Riling up your opponent who wins by forfeit is ludicrous.

    This is why I’ve said an AP can be thought of as a parasite. We live off the host (casinos, a business adding value to their community through entertainment, jobs and tax revenue) without adding any value. Some people don’t like it when I use this word to describe an AP but I’ve yet to hear a better description for an AP. Bosox wants to call us cockroaches. I don’t think that’s a very flattering word either.
    I don't know about all that. Most people don't know what I do. I just say I manage my investments. In essence, isn't that what we all are doing? Yes, there are times when I don't feel as though I'm contributing to society. However, my job, is to grow my kids inheritance. I can do that much faster with time and financial investments than most regular jobs. I don't need much because I know what it is not to have much. Most everything I own is going up in value or holding it's own. So if I want to play some blackjack and bet on games? I think I've earned the right. I don't care what you have or what your doing, if you're competitive and a winner then losing is always tough to take. But you work harder to improve - NOT brag about your wins or cry about a loss. JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAME. My position was always, when I walked off that floor, I know a part of me was left out there. When it's your last game? That is very important. Floyd Little "play every game as though it's your last."

    Hope this helps clarify my position....and great question.

    Very good. Keep up the good work. No bragging about wins, or bellyaching about loss, or bashing casinos, and/or personnel would certainly make your job easier.

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    This proves what an idiot you are. The real top notch forum for blackjack advantage play is a private forum, run by a 30 year member of Tommy Hyland's team and populated by numerous, successful, longterm players and Blackjack Hall of Fame members. This forum is private to protect from assholes and trolls like you. You will never get there and have access to the top players, discussion and networking opportunities, because you are a troll and an idiot.

    So you will be limited to these "open" forum that really aren't about anything but trolling and game playing by those on the outside, bitter that they are losing gamblers. All these forums that you mentioned are for real blackjack AP's is entertainment. A place to have some fun for those that enjoy that. But the real discussions, network opportunities occur in private, and you will never be part of it, troll. Nor will you ever be anything even approaching a real blackjack advantage player...just a troll wantabe.

    More tough talk from KJ. Too bad he can't walk the walk. But he actually has a point. Although he has a gay way of making his point. I suppose entertainment could describes many of the forums Bob mentioned.

    I can network and communicate with the likes of bigplayer, Grosjean, munchkin, Tommy Hyland, Schlesinger.

    I suppose that's important, if like KJ, you've played for 15 years and still don't have game.

    You have the likes of moses.

    Now KJ, don't try to warm up to me. But there probably isn't a better single deck player in the world than me. I hold my own in pro sports betting, but don't believe in giving or selling picks. I'm about one thing...and that is WINNING. A sense of humor is vital which is why KJ can't figure out why he is a loser. HE has not sense of humor.

    As Blitzer put it. Zen Zone is where the best of the best posts. We actually strive for conclusion as opposed to the create confusion mantra of other forums.

    Bob writes:
    I haven’t seen a good post on advantage play on BJTF in a long time. That site has mostly become kicking Zee whenever he makes a post. They like to kick me too when I post over there. It doesn’t bother me since I’m used to it. Midwest Player will also let you know it snows a lot in the upper Midwest.

    What about WOV or blackjackinfo? I check those sites everyday and don’t see anything relevant when it comes to gambling. In fact, most the time those sites are dead.

    I’m even on a discord forum for advantage players and most the talk has nothing to do with gambling.

    So what I have learned on VCT that has helped me be a better gambler/AP? And probably most importantly, Bobo, Forum Detective, keeps us all updated on people’s handles on different sites. This is important stuff. He’s also helping me understand the AP’s code of conduct. I haven’t got the manual yet, but I’m learning from his example.

    And the trolling here is first class. Much better than the trolling I see on other sites.

    I suppose, if trolling if a persons thing, they can get top notch posts from those with the persona of a pimple faced adolescent. Keystone is at the top, or bottom, depending on ones perspective.
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    Hey Bob. I think you wrote today we had a feud at BJTF. I don't remember a feud with you. T3 (at times) Flash, KJ, and UstonZen are the ones I remember. But Flash had so damn many puppets, I started swinging at everything.

    I remember we were both on the Ryemo/Joe thread. But we agreed. No?

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    Moses, yeah calling it a feud is probably too strong of a word. My feud was more with Freightman, his buddy Bosox and Three. My feud got so bad with Three, he even had me on ignore. I always found whenever someone had me on ignore is when Iíd get more replies from them.

    Funny I thought you were T3. You are both great debaters and love a good argument.

    When someone tells you youíre on ignore, it really means the opposite...it means theyíre obsessed with you. Thatís why I will never put someone on ignore. I donít want to give them the satisfaction theyíve got to me, and Iím obsessed with them. I noticed you never claim to put someone on ignore too. Good move! Itís called never letting the other side know youíre weak.

    21Forme is KJs alleged buddy. Truth be told, 21forme couldn't give two shits about KJ. 21Forme would list who he has on ignore in is signature. He talked shit about Norm on other sites and then act like Norms buddy at BJTF. He'd threaten to leave, say hhe was never coming back, leave, and comeback and start bitching all over again. He never had much to say to me on BJTF, but loved to run his mouth once I was banned.

    I do remember we had one or two disagreements. Nothing major. When I came on this forum my only intent was to learn more about your column count. I figured if I used my dbs handle, you probably wouldnít take my question seriously.

    I don't know. I thought you were an okay guy. But you had the same feud going with Freighter as UstonZen. They don't get any better than Freighter in my book. Since you came on about the same time as UstonZen stopped posting I thought you could be him.

    But no, youíre right, we never had any real feuds...and i did alway enjoy your posts. And you had some great sports videos. A couple with some epic races in the Olympics. We (meaning me and my brothers) were all runners too so I liked those videos. I sent them to my brothers, one who is a missionary in Africa. My brothers really liked those videos too.

    I remember those videos. My cousin sent me a picture and article about my uncle who has passed away. He held the state record in the mile from like 1947 until the 80's. They called it the Miracle Mile. His town was so small he had to recruit to get enough for a relay team in order to go to state. My daughters were runners too. My oldest broke school records that were 20 years old and made by on Olympic athlete. Then the younger one would come along and break her records. It created some family issues when she surpassed her in swimming. Any Steve Prefontaine was my oldest daughters role model. I'm glad your brother enjoyed them as well.

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