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    Default The Rob and Bob Show

    Everyone Happy NOW? There you go, Bob. Y'all just might have a winner!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMIfR6LfGZ0

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    Default Freighter vs UstonZen

    Let's talk about Mr. Freighter for a moment. To say the he has little to offer would have to come from the mind of an idiot.

    My advice on shoes? They belong on your feet. End of story.

    Freighter's advice. Well, he employs Wong Halves. Almost everything I've read indicates the shoe game is all about BC. Wong Halves BC is 994 and PE is significantly higher than HiLO. Hi bank LO results. In addition, he side counts the 9. I can't remember his logic behind it, but it motivated me to take a hard look at the 89s in my column count way back when. He also either side counts the Ace or has a separate count for perfect insurance. I can't remember which. But it helped me to developed a formula for
    A.) when to make a large bet B.) when to insure a shitty hand with a large bet out.

    I believe it was either Freighter or T3, maybe both, who side count the Ace with the use of a letter as opposed to body parts. This idea enabled my to side count the 8.

    So, UstonZen, to say the Freighter is offering bad advice? Perhaps your just not smart enough to know the difference. Hence, you're new to the game as you said a few times. That's not an insult. Hell, I can't do what Freighter does myself. But I can take ideas from the likes of Freighter, T3, Tarzan, Gronbog, or Don S and add it to improve my game which none of them could do. Close your pie hole and listen. You just might learn something. No?
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    Default UstonZen writes

    to Freighter:
    Seriously guy? Now you bring me into every thread for no reason? Lol.
    Attention newbie...Freightman seems like the knowledgeable poster here, and he does know a few things. But that is mostly because the oldtime posters to this forum have mostly left already.
    Read the archived posts and there are some incredibly smart, helpful players who have posted here thru the years. Bigplayer and guys like that etc.

    Bob. Is this you? UstonZen has said nothing here. Speaking to certain posts from the archives or how Bigplayer has helped your game would help the newbie's and lend credibility to your post. If that's your concern.

    FWIW, I always thought UstonZen was a furly squcker but Bob to be a bright, decent guy, and great debater. Shitty blackjack player but great debater. lol I'm kidding.
    Last edited by Moses; July 13th, 2019 at 02:01 PM.

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    Talmadge writes:
    Zee, i think Freightman may be referring to your betting. Being consistently inconsistent is actually a good consistency.

    Freighter; Again, you bring up an "interesting topic" worthy of discussion. Now that statement you make would drive me nuts. However, I understand you're very good at it and sometimes it's good not to try what someone else does because of their success. Now, I'm not saying those at BJTF shouldn't give this deeper thought and utilize it as a way to improve their game.

    For me, the bet sizing is about as consistent as you can get. However, it appears to be highly inconsistent because my consistent bet strategy is done with a column count. Thus, sometimes you could have an extremely high TC and only place a minimum bet because the deck composition is out of whack. It's interesting to see the look of puzzlement on a dealers face sometimes when that happens. I suppose they think their chatter made me lose count.

    Anyway, thanks for some rare interesting insight and hope to read more of your thoughts on the matter. IT's a game of people played with cards.

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    Originally Posted by Eye of the Eagle I would bet I am right about the age. As for the shtick that you provide anyone looking for AP'S could see through your act if they had 1/2 a brain. Maybe you have one of those super counts like Three that you can't tell us about. Tell me it isn't so.

    Freighter replies:
    You’re certainly very negative, as you’ve previously demonstrated by past behaviours. For the record, I play halves - as I’ve previously disclosed a 100 times or more. Further, my betting strategies have been hinted at in the past, and they’re recognized by very credible posters and initially presented by well known gaming mathematicians. I’ve put my own twist on the gambit.

    And, just so you have something to bitch about - I’ve added some add ons without affecting the integrity of halves. Further, the strength of halves gives me the confidence to pull some of the schtick that I do.

    IT's supposed to be a forum. No? Not a damn cult. IF you don't like or are not smart enough to read about super counts or someone striving to improve their game, just move on. Why restrict others? I taken ideas from Freighter and T3 that have improved my game, even though my game isn't close to what they do. I usually get what Freight is conveying immediately, but it might by weeks before a T3 idea hits my mind.

    The best advice I ever received for basketball officiating was from a football coach.

    Brag, bitch, or babble. But never, I've mean NEVER try to improve your game in blackjack by reading a blackjack forum.

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    Freighter writes:
    There’s something you need to understand. The goal of the house is to empty your wallet. They don’t give a shit about you. They are not your friends. They don’t give a flying fuck if you’ve blown the mortgage and food money.

    Any dialogue between myself and critters is insincere from either one to the other. It is only proffered by either one to the other to simulate the appearance of friendly dialogue. It is false. It is a masquerade. It means nothing.

    Play the game, do what you have to - but pay heed to what I say.

    That seems a little strong Freighter. True. Spot on. But strong. I look at it like when starting a football game. Captains shake hands and then try to rip each others heads off for the next 3 to 4 hours. Hey, I'm not kissing anyone before a jump ball to start a basketball game. The key is in the sport of blackjack, you'd better have a burning desire to compete before your ever sit down to play. This doesn't mean be an asshole. It means be NICE no matter what. There is no namby pamby crying on a forum about losing. There IS preparation.

    Except in blackjack there are two opponents. 1.) the person inside of you. Once this game gets inside your head or you get spooked like a racehorse? You're done. 2.) The other is the opponent who wins by forfeit, competes by preferential shuffling, changing dealers - whatever than can do to accomplish #1. Consider it part of the game.

    I look at it like the neighbor kid who got boxing gloves for his birthday. IF I'm capable of womping the soup out of him? IF I do too much damage? The next day the gloves are in the trash.

    So very good advice Freighter. Strong. But GOOD.
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    Freighter writes to Don S:
    One of (of many) things I admire about you is how (like me) you practice the delicate art of subtlety.

    Your contributions cannot be overstated.

    I agree. Actually, with all due respect, in terms of numbers, you probably have issues with more posters than me. My issues are clearly with 21Forme, refinery, Bosox, and KJ. Simply put, without going into detail on each one. They are all pussies. Now, if they are puppets of someone else? Then so be it.

    I thought Norm mishandled the way he banned me by deleting Flash's post which lead to me making my posts and then only leaving mine up. But he did me a favor. I was sick of walking on eggshells for these tender ninnies. And now Flash is banned. Sort of proves my point. No?

    As you know, the are many levels of learning in blackjack. It's not right when others circumvent their will when it effects the growth of others. Blackjack is about winning. Forums should be as well. Not a damn congeniality contest.




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    Dalmation writes:

    Freightman is offended because he could never do Gordon try as hard as he might. Stick to tarzan, you tarzan!

    Who could? Gordon can't even do the Gordon count.

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    Kj writes to his alter ego ZenKing:
    I am sure you have heard one of my favorite sayings "it isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking."

    I seriously doubt KJ can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    Jason and Jill
    went up the hill
    To play the game of blackjack
    Each a grand in their fanny pack

    Jill came down
    She beat the clown

    Broke and alone was the self professed “pro”
    Easy money for Jill from the forum homo.

    KJ sat dejected with dark clouds in
    OF course he'll claim, he lost twenty nine thousin.


    Now Freighter took Jill back up that hill
    Cleaned her out as he always will

    Wong Halves he used, no side count needed
    to leave Jill alone broke and beated

    They bowed in Freight's honor and hailed
    Many have tried him. All have failed

    He's a far better man, some say with brass balls
    than the drama queen queer who wobbles and falls.

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    Newbie writes:
    When I see this I remind myself what (don't remember who, maybe Freightman) pointed out that these people aren't my friends and the banter is empty. Their main goal is to empty my pockets.

    And don't you ever forget that! They are all universal pieces of shit.

    Don

    I've read on BJTF that Refinery is a pit boss. If so, it's hard to argue Don's point.

    But here, it's just people doing a job they were hired to do and the majority are solid people and citizen's. You guys act as though you've never been in a sports competition before. I consider all the smiling and hand shaking as sportsmanship, being friendly, or just good business. None of that deters from the job they or I have to do. If you think for one minute you are entitled or they are not trying to take your money? Your blackjack playing days should be spent on Verite.

    If they ban me tomorrow, look at all the fun I've had and money I've made in yesterdays which turned into yesteryears already.

    Just what we need. Piss off pit bosses that read or belong to BJTF. Shrewd. No?
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    An add on to Freighters comments regarding playing tired to Zee.

    Know thyself. Some days or various times throughout the day one is not prepared to play the game. Rule #1. Get the forum shit out of your head. A high percentage of Zee's alleged set of problems is he seems to try to be thinking of all he told on forums while playing. There are plenty who will place false expectation in your mind. Remember YOU are playing for YOU not forum experts.

    1. The count, my bet, my next card is all that is in my mind when I'm properly focused. I may be doing or saying a lot of different things to various people. But #1 is all I'm thinking.

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    Freighter has some interesting thoughts on other counters at the table.

    I play strictly alone or not at all. I never have trouble getting in my fill of hands or sessions in a given week. I'm happy to give the right of way when someone else joins the table. Time is money and playing every hand where I'm in the best position to win is my rule.

    Therefore, sometimes the decision to cash out and move on vs wait and see becomes inconsistent. IF two others are at a table. I move on. As a general rule, if one is at the table and buys in or has chip for 20 times the bet minimum, I generally move on. Less than 20, I wait and see for up to 10 minutes or when the next anticipated T times is coming at another casino. As a general rule, it a player has bought in for more than 20 times the bet minimum, I wait and see. Quite often, a big buy in player won't last 10 minutes. Other times, they might be there for a couple of hours. I never developed a hard fast rule and sort of go by feel. Body language speaks volumes.

    It's interesting when two of us are speaking the same language, extending a courtesy, without saying a word.

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