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    KJ writes to Bulb:

    Where did I say it was a crime or even against any forum rules? What I said was in my experience, few AP's do this and I told you why. So when it was pointed out that you do this, I was not surprised. Despite that you show some interest in blackjack, even before I found out about the multiple handles, I had determined that was basically an act.

    In my opinion, you are one of a number of anti-AP people that now populate this forum. Granted a bit different than most of the other anti-AP guys, who are just bitter, jealous gamblers, where as you are a casino industry supporter/sympathizer. I don't know if you work for a casino, or have a family or friends that do or what your association is, nor do I much care. So while you are different than the other "haters", the resulting agenda is the same, to discredit and torment AP's. You don't participate on any forum to try to contribute in a positive manner, you contribute to negative and disrupt. And that is the definition of a troll. So from this point forward you will get nothing from me (on any forum) except for a return of your negativity.

    The night was dark,
    The sky was blue,
    Down the alley the turd wagon flew!
    A bump was hit, a scream was heard,
    A man was killed by a flying turd!
    Upon his tomb was plainly writ:
    This Man Was Killed by Flying Shit!

    This little poem pretty much sums up the multiple handles, sock puppets, and more.

    I could care less about AP (Arrogant Prick) status or anti AP. All I care about is winning today and playing tomorrow. The question becomes who is going to fuck that up?
    The forum answer is usually KJ.

    However, KJ has a valid point about handles and puppets. So does Bob 21. I doubt the shit would fly so easily on a forum if someone could easily be found to back up their words in person. It's important to remain anonymous because just one of our opponents could hand us a lifetime sentence of no longer being able to play.

    But to have multiple handles, cliques, AP vs anti AP groups, and puppets to support same is just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever witnessed. But it happens often and probably far more than one could imagine.

    So let's settle it right here and now in this thread. Who are they? What do they have various handles? Why are sock puppets necessary to prove a point?

    Maybe Bob21 should start a thread over at VCT. Norm would shit can this type of thread in a New York second because the worst offenders were on his forum.

    Last edited by Moses; March 14th, 2019 at 12:13 PM.

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    Please say it isn’t so Kj. How will I get through life if I get “nothing” from you. Lol. You have been my inspiration!

    As far as me being different, you’re probaly right. I’m an independent thinker, and don’t pick sides. I’ve had my quarrels with blackhole, but lately I’d have to say I agree with most of what he says, including ridiculing the mindless posts between you, Bobo and me. Even keystone has become one my favorite posters. He always has me laughing. Good stuff there.

    Thus the nickname Bulb. Because he goes on and off like a light bulb desperately seeking forum approval. What's up with that? Bosox and KJ are not buyers. Blackhole flat out doesn't give a fuck one way or the other. Keystone took the bait hook, line, and sinker. What a moron!

    So KJ was definitely Spiderman. He listed many other handles as well. Not a buy that Norm look the other way because of KJ's alleged importance of subject. Hmmm, he banned him again and put thread in the Disadvantage Forum. Hmmm. What's up with that? KJ couldn't be a liar. Yes?

    Bosox makes the same mistake when quoting posts as Don S. Strange that two such highly intelligent people, nuts about perfection, repeat the same procedure incorrectly over and over again.

    It's been said that Freighter is Norm. Or his right hand man. That would be a total mind fuck.

    But DBS6582, Bob 21, BJ032, Bulb, Cagey and UstonZen? Are they all the same? Could he also be Keystone? Both from the Midwest. Both desperately seek KJ's approval and seem to have a man crush on him. Red Chippers, fairly new to the game, love to debate, and really want that elusive forum approval.

    Flash. OMG the Blue Oyster Cult. It would be easier to pick handles and puppets that are not associated with him. The Refinery, 21Forme, T3, RJCH, Dalmation, Tarzan, the list goes on and on. 121 friends and he got banned. Hmmm. Strange. Very strange. Many of which were on his email list. Including UstonZen. So if he is a casino spy? You're all pretty much fucked. No? KJ...Be thankful you weren't on that email list.

    Stealth, Serious Player are there own man. I'd be surprised if they had puppets.

    Zee. They broke the mold. Only T3 could come up with such an imagination. One could make an argument that T3 and DBS are one in the same. Based on lengthy posts during their
    arguments. I could see T3 sitting at one computer and then moving to another one to be DBS. What do you think? Am I giving T3 too much credit? There are at least 6 biker dudes that will say no. No?

    BJ Analyst makes one thread, gets Gronbog to run a special sim and gets nearly 900 posts. Could be T3. Very few get sims from G. DBS kept egging it on. Why would a red chip player care? Could he be T3? If so, T3 is a genius. No?
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    Hi I'm dalmatian. Most people think I'm an idiot and they're probably right. I'm starting to realize that myself as well. I work 100 hour work weeks. 50 hours a week at papa John's delivering pizzas and 50 hours at a chemistry lab. I make around 7,000$ a month after taxes. I'm crashing on relatives living room floors and other cost saving measures so I can save about 6,000$ a month. I'm shooting for a 60,000$ bank.

    You won't see me write these two words very often. VERY IMPRESSIVE!

    I've been doing this for 6 months now so I'm close. I employ halves at blazing fast speeds.
    I can count down a deck in 20 seconds dozens of times in a row without mistakes. I used CVCX to generate full indices for halves and I employ quarter deck resolution on double deck. I took this a step further and added a FULL side count of 7s by using equations from theory of blackjack and EORs from blackjack attack. This is VERY VERY complicated and took about a year to master. I just reaching a burn out with working so much and the complexity of my count system.

    Two things. IF you're playing shoes, why side count the 7? If your playing double deck, simply drop the 2 (from Wong Halves) and tag the 7 at 1. Run a sim, I'm pretty sure you'll find SCORE is better that way than Wong Halves.

    I wonder what other people think. I recently got banned from Ryemos discord for perverse language and insane trolling;

    I wouldn't worry about that. Consider it a favor.

    21forme how would you feel if you worked 100 hours a week for 6 months straight. Give me a break.

    You have more in you than you think. Invest your money wisely. Rule of 72. Spend your time making money, not chasing rainbows. It keeps you out of trouble.
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    Dalmation writes:
    I mostly played red chipping potowatomi in milwaukee crap shoe game. I was in the hole 10k then I moved down south and got it all back playing great DD in Mississippi. However I got fliered and backed off all playable 10$ DD.

    Read your own words. You lost 10K playing shoes, made it back playing pitch. Game selection. Play within casino tolerance. You're not afraid of hard work. Why does it have to be one or the other? View playing blackjack as another investment of your time and the money you've already made. Sadly, other than Freighter, all your doing at BJTF is getting a beat down.

    BTW, I thought DBS was a red chip part time player. Now he is running teams?


    Keep it real. Real isn't always real good. But at least it's real. I can deal with real.

    The REfinery writes: I'm sorry to say Dalmatian is not trolling. He's disturbed, but he's not trolling.

    Back at you fucking wimp. The young man is working is ass off at two jobs and smart enough to seek at advice for blackjack on a blackjack forum. Granted, he may get good advice from Freighter and others. But it's for damn sure your pampas ass won't help. Why don't you shut the fuck up? Friggin mental case without a hair on his ass. Norm, outta ban your worthless ass.

    GET off that DAMN forum. 21forme and The Refinery are only trying to get in your head. For now, spend your free time on Verite, playing exactly the way you plan to play in a casino. You will learn the most important factor in the game. YOU!

    21 forme writes: Part of the problem is you've fallen victim to the best count debate and its propaganda. Many players have been successful with KO and HiLo. The risk/reward ratio of making it more complex is counter-productive (no pun intended). You're going to turn a 1-2% edge into a 1.1-2.2% edge with much more mental fatigue.

    So you're saying Freighter is full of shit? No. He plays with an advantage. Not a threshold. Stay the hell away from shoes and focus on double deck. Only you know what your time is worth. Do you really want to spend your life chasing variance? If not, the answer is in the tag values assigned, game selection, and playing within casino tolerance.
    Walking into a pitch game with HiLO is like taking a pair of nail clippers into a knife fight.

    Stay with Wong Halves. Play out 10k hand on Verite exactly the way you play in a casino. Then reconsider your cause and purpose. Then, play another 10k by changing the tag value on 2 to 0 and 7 to 1. After 20k hands, at the very least, you will be looking in the mirror at a much more knowledgeable and better player than you are seeing today. IF you can work in 500 to 700 hands a day on Verite, by Labor Day you will see most of your questions are answered.



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    Stealth writes:
    So many new counters think that learning to count and then using the CV products to practice make you "ready for prime time". I contend that only makes you ready for certification by someone in a structured environment much like the MIT team did. Then you can get a sense of what the real world is like instead of that fantasy world of a computer doing exactly the same thing over and over.

    Do not misunderstand, I am a huge fan of the CV products to get you ready to be certified but don't fool yourself thinking a good Casino Verite player is ready for the real time. Casino Verite is also good for the experienced player to keep his skill sharp.

    Excellent post: Verite is far easier for me than actual play in the casino because I don't give myself any breaks on Verite. I know how to catch breaks in a casino. Most players don't know what they want or how to get it. I wait for the game to come to me, take what they give me, and be on my way. I remember when I played basketball. The practices were so intense the game felt like a day off. Same thing with Verite and blackjack.

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    21Bosox:
    Bosox - you're referring to someone who is seriously mentally ill and has no life other than his fantasy forum life, as evidenced by the short time span from original post to his copying it to the site where he talks to himself. Hard to believe he's really an adult with all the junior high style name calling. If he is an adult, he probably has all his worldly possessions in a shopping cart under an overpass in that biggest little dump in the world, so there really is no financial recourse. Best thing to do is just ignore the loser. He thinks he has an audience, but the post count is elevated by bots, not people.

    Actually, I have a good life. You have a lot to say when you think no one can respond. Like most, I don't like cock suckers, and cock sucker lovers like you are even worse. Seems to me, since you do have an account here at Zen Zone, that you have a issue of being a big pussy.

    I could care less about bots. That's your little deal. Not mine. However, I have noticed several lurkers join BJTF and are not afraid to stand up to you anymore.

    You don't know me and you don't want to know me. So stop trying to act like you do. You've got something to say? Stop being a coward and come on over and say it. When I was at BJTF, you put me on ignore. Now, NOW you want to talk? Bring it on dumb fuck.

    Like you're an adult with all you junior high hiding. I call you whatever I can to get you to face up to your words. Tell me, have you been a pussy your whole life? OR did that just start when you got fat and old?
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    The REfinery writes:

    It might be time to delete my account.

    I agree. You and about 17 other puppets and muppets at BJTF.

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    Do you know where KJ is at Moses? What website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Do you know where KJ is at Moses? What website?
    KJ the drama queen is losing his following at Vegas Casino Talk. Everyone except Boz have had their fill of almost Jill.

    You can also find him crying about variance and complaining about losing streaks while preaching about math at blackjackinfo. That must be some math to lose $29k in a week.

    KJ 2+2=REAL BAD PLAYER. OR 1 is the loneliest number. He cant get a gal or a feller.

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