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    Default Hi OPT II vs Wong Halves for Shoes

    I can already see the Blue Oyster Cult is coming out of hiding. Norm will put Freighters thread in the Disadvantage Forum. So the question. What are you guys hiding from or so afraid of? The truth?

    Wong Halves is simply see a card, count a card. However, with Hi Opt II one must maintain a side count of the Ace in order for the count to have any value whatsoever.

    The chart below from Norm's book indicate the value of Wong Halves as it runs ahead of Hi Opi II WITHOUT the side counts.

    https://www.qfit.com/book/SuperSCORE.htm

    Now, suppose you used your brainpower to side count the Ace, if only for the purpose of insurance. Wong Halves would pull away even more. OR suppose you were to use the brainpower for a 10 ten count. Even better.

    Gronbog ran and posted sim results for the Tarzan which is slightly less than Hi Opt II. It would be great if Gronbog did same with Wong Halves to end these gyrations once and for all.
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    RCJH. My quarter says you cannot beat todays Double Deck game and rules with Hi Opt II. I could care less whether your side count the 7 and the Ace or not.

    I'm very selective on my sports bets. I like my single deck straight up game with todays rules and 60%ish pen. Thus I'm a value seeker.

    Therefore, I see value on the other side of the table vs you. I think it's put up or shut up time Flash descendant. I will be the house and you don't have to worry about getting 86ed or your name on a list. Such a deal. No?
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    You know you are good when the ZZ crazies start obsessing about you.

    T3 writes:

    Moses replies: I'm happy to extend that offer to you to as well. If I say it. I can play it. I don't think that is the case with you or RCJH. I have simmed it RCJH.
    Ball is your court. You're the man making all this money on DD. My quarter says the game has passed you and your count by. Talking shit you can't or won't back up only strengthens my case. You guys are so full of shit.


    OMG, that is interesting.

    Several thoughts...first, Flash is ill. He won't be playing any bj in the foreseeable future.

    Second, the challenge was from Moses. Do I really want him to know my identity? Probably not.

    Third, today was the first time I read anything on zz. Nutso.

    Fourth, there are people ON THIS FORUM who can vouch that I can beat DD with HiOpt2/ASC, but who cares? Sim it. You'll see for yourself. Why issue personal challenges? Lol

    5th. Why not? You don't practice. You don't do anything to improve your game. You just show up and magically make money? Hmmm. I don't think so. So that is really important to you that a bunch of puppets on a forum believe you make money? What they follow you around? You and T3 have been bragging for years. I'm just giving you the opportunity to PROVE it.


    T3 writes. ZZ. It's the land of misfit boys.

    So if you turn it down T3. What does that make you? I mean I realize you think you're holier than thou at BJTF with Norm's support. But anywhere else? You're treated like dog shit.

    Midwest Player writes; Moses also posts on Vegas Casino Talk. At least on that forum he gets replies to his posts. There is a lot of shit on Vegas Casino Talk, but every once in a while someone mentions an interesting tidbit of information.

    Have you looked at the results of your polls lately? Pathetic.

    Take a look at the views. I can't speak for the posters here. Not my circus. Not my monkey. Unlike BJFT, I read very knowledgeable posts from those who do post. I've been told it's difficult to register here.

    I will say this though. We reach resolution on many topics. T3 and company kick the can forever.






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    Fat Bumblebee and Blitzer. Suppose you challenged me to play single deck straight up. I wouldn't get all butt hurt and twitchy about it. I'd come play. It's something I do everyday anyway. So playing without the threat of being 86ed or preferential shuffled and to count out loud would be great.

    But these guys are acting like little girls. And we are the misfits? Hmmm. I think NOT!

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    Yeah, I noticed on the zzcrazies forum it was all Moses. Moses starting a thread, Moses replying to the thread. He's obsessing with BJTF. I kind of pity that guy. Honestly, it's frightening. He seems like the kind of person who ought not own a firearm, if you know what I mean. There are mentally ill people in the world, and I suspect he's one of them.

    Those that can, do. Those that cannot, post rants on the internet.

    RCJH writes:

    No need to pity me. I'm not the one who is hiding. I don't own a firearm as if that as anything to do with playing blackjack. Never been in jail. Never been in any kind of care facility. Don't drink. Don't smoke. Don't do drugs. I think I got 1 speeding ticket in the last 10 years.

    But I CAN back up what I say whether it's in person or on the forum. C'mon RCJH, you've bragged about your game and now you get a legit challenge and you act like a great big pussy using words like mental illness to duck your opponent. I'm quite comfortable in my own skin and have no problem looking in the mirror.

    If you choose to be a coward and turn down my challenge? Fine. But stop the act of some big shot blackjack player. YOU'RE NOTHING and now we all KNOW IT! Pop went the weasel.

    Exactly what is it that you are suggesting that I can't do? C'mon big mouth...speak up.
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    It should be referred to as the mental illness forum.

    21 Forme writes:

    Blitzer, Fat Bumblebee, John Doe and others. We really don't have to take this.

    Quotes like this and you wonder why you get shit from newbies. Well, that was predictable. You wanna know why I write on ZZ? Same reason a dog licks his balls...because I can.

    Now somehow, you guys have managed to believe your own shit smells good. Because you post on BJFT makes you're better than someone else who doesn't or can't? Wrong! Think again dipshit. It's obvious many of you are afraid of Norm Whatthefucker. Why? He is not a ruler. He is only a man. Unlike you, and several other posters at BJTF, I am NOT afraid of Norm WTFer.

    Now as one described it, BJTF is your town. This is my island. No one can come into your town without wrath if they don't submit to Hi Opt II quickly.
    A perfect example is where one of your own, Freighter, makes a reasonable request for a comparison of Wong Halves to Hi OPT II.
    But RJCH (Red Juicy C Hair), which stands for a vulgar term invented by Flash, gets all bent out of shape and starts making wild false claims. SCORE on Wong Halves 15 Hi OPt II 160000. So I called his bluff. And that makes me mentally ill? I think not. That makes me logical, reasonable, and one with common sense. That which you possess none of.

    Another perfect example of how the
    Blue Oyster Cult and T3 are protected by Norm and vice versa. RJCH (Red Juicy C Hair), says he doesn't care about learning the results. Well, maybe others do? But it's always about YOU and the Cult or your little town as Flash puts it.

    However, here on the island we welcome free speech. But 21Forme, and others, are too afraid to exercise their freedom of speech. Why? Because you couldn't conjure your own thought of "Ouch" if you were bit on the ass. The views continue to increase as we continue to write here and exposed the deception at BJTF. Your members of your own community are beginning to become restless because of the restricted speech imposed by Mr. WTFer. The lurkers are beginning to see the light. So they join and you all run them out of your little town.

    21 Forme typically follows the pack, jumps on a bandwagon, threatens to leave and never come back. But then you always come back. How many times has your wimpy ass done this now. 10? 15? I'm curious, 21Forme. When is the last time you've had a mental checkup? Maybe it's time you should. Of course, I don't know if being the ultimate pussy is actually a disease or something you've learned to live with most of your life.

    The answer really isn't how much can I give. But the question is how much can Norm WTFer take? I know, for me, it's a ton. We are only at the tip of the iceberg.

    In the words of a song by the Carpenters
    "We've only just begun."
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    RJCH (a/k/a Red Juicy C Hair, as Flash put it) argues like a woman. This is how I envision her casino prowess.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGiGBI5Z6Y

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    In all honesty Moses I cannot blame someone for not showing up to your game, as I do believe you can back up what you say in person. Just do not say you do not carry a weapon with you, someone might get intimidated if you showed up wearing the horns in that avatar you have at the zz. If you got in a football set position and rushed someone with those horns, Jesus even Brady would have to retire.

    Bosox writes:

    About the closest thing I have to a weapon is a butter knife. Now that Avatar was not picked by me. I think the moderator put it in.

    But we bought a repo house years ago. Rumor has it, the previous owners were feeding pigeons and selling them as Cornish Hens at their meat market. I was power washing the pigeon crap off my roof and was getting dive bombed by these pigeons. So I go walking into Walmart all sweaty with pigeon poop all over me and requested a gun that is legal within the city limits. The guy showed me this little BB gun and said that might do the trick. I said, "no, you don't understand, I want to blow the crap bastards completely off my roof." So he sold me a pellet gun with the impact of a 22 rifle. No mo pigeons and I become known as the pigeon sheriff in our cul-de-sac. Every time someone has a pigeon problem, they'd come knock on my door.


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    Already there...lol. I got over that in about the third grade. I have noting to prove to him, or anyone really. I pity the guy who talks to himself online.

    Mark my words, he's going to do something outrageous. He's seriously mentally ill.

    RJCH writes:

    Pull your panties out of your crack there cream puff. Pull her chain and she repeats "He's mentally ill. He's mentally ill." Pull it again "Hi Opt II. Hi Opt II." Pull it again "Norm's puppets say I'm great. Norm's puppets say I'm great."

    Maybe instead of pigeons I'll do something outrageous and hunt beavers. Doncha just hate it when they're in the wrong place. So did you come up with the handle RJCH (Red Juicy C Hair) all by yourself or did you just do what Flash tells you to do?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uJFoXkAXoM

    I pity the gal who talks to herself in a strip club. Can't get a date uh! O look. Pull your string and they run like hell. Run like hell.

    What is it with all you half queers and the 3rd grade? Every time y'all get your panties in a twist your refer to elementary school.
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    If I get a challenge to play at moses game, it better be six deck, deep pen S17 doa, das, LS rsa 4 times. But with my luck he might have a ASM set in beast mode.

    Bosox writes:

    Sorry I'd have to take a pass on that one Bosox….even if I did have a supersonic ASM in beast mode.

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    Norm, why did you delete my post? You allow other posts to stay if your own opinion agrees with them. Being a moderator should require some semblance of neutrality, does it not?

    Bosox writes:

    Norm Whathefucker has no consideration to right vs wrong. There is only His way or the Highway. Bosox, my friend, you are about to hit the highway. But it's not so bad. In fact, it feels damn good have free speech and not to have to select my words so, soo carefully because of Norm's delicate and volatile nature.

    Some think I'm alone in my journey for Norm's ass on a platter? Just look at the views. Slowly our army is growing into a force to be reckoned with. IT just takes one person to stand up for what is right and what they believe and others will follow.

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    I delete posts I find copied from other sites as these are copyright violations. Also, I delete posts carrying on conversations with banned members. If you're banned, you're banned. You can't converse here if you're banned. I wish people would stop posting in this manner. If I missed posts, report them through the report post mechanism (exclamation mark in a triangle). This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with whether I agree with them or not. I didn't even think about whether I agreed with the posts I deleted. I hadn't even looked at this thread. I just received reported post messages this morning from two members sick of this nonsense and acted on them.

    Norm writes:

    More living proof your head is waaay up your ass. You had like 4 threads. You don't have time to read them? And have to be told what to think? Time to retire Norm. Put your dog and pony show out to pasture.

    Hmmm. Let me see. Two members complained. Let's go with Tarzan and Jane (RJCH) for $300 Alex.

    You friggin wimps.
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    TBH, I don't give a shit about the OP. Sorry to be blunt, but I (truthfully) don't care about simming

    1. A game I'm not going to play
    2. A count I'm not going to use

    I also don't care if Halves with a super secret side count of 88m7x1.3 would give me the perfect play each and every time. I can't and don't use Halves. I did read the other thread for a while, because I'm intrigued by a balanced side count that might be used to exploit side bets. The BJ at home sucks, but there are sidebets aplenty. I followed it until I realized there was no way on God's green earth I could do it.

    I do, however, give a shit about keeping good posters here. So for the sake of that, we can assumed I skimmed your above scenario with my super secret software using hotel wifi, and the SCORE is 15 for Halves. Hi Opt has a SCORE of 160000.

    Sorry, no data, it's a secret.

    A I sense a yellow thread may be forming...

    RJCH writes post 18:


    My last post that you deleted did not fall into the above category and was in response to an active member's post. At that time you inserted did you find this post helpful? yes no. Later there was 1 yes and 2 no. Then it was deleted.
    Bosox writes:

    Norm replies to Bosox: The last post you made contained two personal attacks. Why can't you just talk about AP and stop trying to stir up trouble? Seriously, this is boring.

    Okay. So Norm Whathefucker is bored? Well, let me wake your ass up just a little bit. You think post 18 by RJCH wasn't a personal attack on Freighter? You think she was talking about AP? NO! She is another member of the fucking Blue Oyster Cult looking to blow her own fucking horn. Pull you head out of the sand Norm, get it out of your ass, and get a fucking clue. You are one pathetic, ignorant, and one sided son of a bitch Norm.

    Who came to her rescue? Tarzan. You didn't delete those posts now did you? Why? Because they are the pathetic ones who complained in the first place. Dammit NORM. JUST DO YOUR JOB! You've got to be about the slimiest fucker on earth.

    Bosox posts to me are right here at 8 and 10. I copied and replied because I knew you'd pull this shit. I'm onto your game Norm. Time to play it straight or you will lose what little credibility and members (not puppets) you have left.

    Freighter and Bosox are both reasonable, intelligent men with a great deal of common sense. The reason they cannot talk AP is because YOU are one sided and allow such an overwhelming and abundance amount of absolute non sense to continue. So they joke around. That being said, Freighters fart jokes are entirely appropriate for your forum. Because in reality it's all just one huge pile of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    I'm onto your game Norm. Time to play it straight or you will lose what little credibility and members (not puppets) you have left.
    Gronbog
    Thank you for your kind offer. I’ve decided to retire from the board, thus the epic battle of Halves versus Hi Opt 2 will remain unresolved - a mystery for the ages.
    Freighter writes:

    Whoa. That was a quick prediction on my part. More to come? Stay tuned.

    Freighter, I'm sure your words of wisdom would be very welcomed here on the island of misfits (T3 word) and Vegastalk. Fart jokes? Not sure. Let me run it by Fat Bumblebee and Blitzer.

    Ironic, someone already gave you a Not Helpful.

    RJCH writes: Dude don't go! This too will pass...

    No...It won't. But if you had one ounce of class, you'd go back and delete post 18 which stirred it all up in the first place. Isn't that just like a woman? First she bitches. Now she is trying to look like the Prom Queen.
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    Also while I did appreciate knowing what was being said we probably have given it more time than it deserves. It truly has nothing to do with AP.

    RJCH writes:

    Again, stop with all the bragging and it would've been fine. Did you delete post #18 yet? Probably not. That is the underlying problem - throwback to the old Flash days. Folks are afraid to ask for help. They just get Hi Opt II shoved up their ass. Me thinks, you're the one with mental issues. Just answer the damn OP's question or shut your pie hole so someone can.

    Anyway, it would be nice if Dog Hand would run a sim to compare at CV Data. Amazing, all the experts and self professed pros. Yet, few who can run a sim.

    Maybe, if Norm would simplify his product to where the majority of people who purchase it can actually use it, then all the forum rhetoric would be significantly reduced.

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