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    Tarzan writes: If you were to intentionally stay awake for as long as possible (like they had to do on "Invasion of the body snatchers"), pushing to stay awake with no drugs or stimulants of any kind other than coffee, at about the 3 - 4 day mark you are going to start hallucinating. You will begin to see little cartoon bugs bunny looking things dancing across your field of vision, your manual dexterity is impacted, your ability to focus. Lots of studies have been done on this. Some hold out longer than others, but eventually regardless of age, strength, or mental ability to deal with stress, people will begin to hallucinate (without having to take any hallucinogens) if you go without sleep for long enough (beginning at 3-4 days in).

    Moses writes: There was a year when I wanted to sleep but couldn't. I'd say, "man, this is a long day, I can't believe it's still Monday." My friend would say "actually, it's Thursday you've just been awake for 4 days." Living alone in a huge empty house was the most difficult year of my life. I could swear the damn thing was haunted. But it could've been hallucinations. But it scared the hell out of me...and my dogs. There was this cartoon looking thing wearing a sheet. It would run into the closet underneath the stairway when he thought I'd seen it. I'd go open the door and see an empty closet. Then voices from family members who'd recently passed would be calling for me from upstairs. I'd go up to see them but the stairway was blocked off and I couldn't get through. I'd wake up on the stairway thinking "how the hell did I get here"?

    Blackjack (counting) provided a calming effect for me. It was a way to focus on something other than the scratched record in my head. To this day, I will have nightmares and get up and go play. I even fell asleep once at the table in a casino. Sometimes it's hard for me to stay awake when I play. A reverse effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Tarzan writes: If you were to intentionally stay awake for as long as possible (like they had to do on "Invasion of the body snatchers"), pushing to stay awake with no drugs or stimulants of any kind other than coffee, at about the 3 - 4 day mark you are going to start hallucinating. You will begin to see little cartoon bugs bunny looking things dancing across your field of vision, your manual dexterity is impacted, your ability to focus. Lots of studies have been done on this. Some hold out longer than others, but eventually regardless of age, strength, or mental ability to deal with stress, people will begin to hallucinate (without having to take any hallucinogens) if you go without sleep for long enough (beginning at 3-4 days in).

    Moses writes: There was a year when I wanted to sleep but couldn't. I'd say, "man, this is a long day, I can't believe it's still Monday." My friend would say "actually, it's Thursday you've just been awake for 4 days." Living alone in a huge empty house was the most difficult year of my life. I could swear the damn thing was haunted. But it could've been hallucinations. But it scared the hell out of me...and my dogs. There was this cartoon looking thing wearing a sheet. It would run into the closet underneath the stairway when he thought I'd seen it. I'd go open the door and see an empty closet. Then voices from family members who'd recently passed would be calling for me from upstairs. I'd go up to see them but the stairway was blocked off and I couldn't get through. I'd wake up on the stairway thinking "how the hell did I get here"?

    Blackjack (counting) provided a calming effect for me. It was a way to focus on something other than the scratched record in my head. To this day, I will have nightmares and get up and go play. I even fell asleep once at the table in a casino. Sometimes it's hard for me to stay awake when I play. A reverse effect.

    Chronic sleep deprivation can cause serious long term health issues.

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    Please anyone who is smart enough to do this as a career don’t. My life is ruined an

    Won 200k from some casino I got backed off before. Charged with identity theft and looking at 6 years in prison plus restitution. I will hang myself before that happens. I don’t have the money to pay back either and that would make the whole case go away. Last week started doing cocaine because of the pressure and maybe wanting to die and overdosed in the hospital. 30k in debt and I had 2 million before. Know I can’t get a job cause I will be a felon. My life is over, I’m either going to beat this case or end it. Sober till the outcome.

    I don’t want my life to go to waste , please if anyone in there 20 is thinking this is cool it is a path to no where. Everyone who is rich and famous Ap has a back story and most are miserable. I wish I didn’t worship them when I first came in.

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    I suggest that you see a board-certified psychiatrist at your first opportunity; and
    until that first appointment, you will do well to attend meeting of Alcoholics
    Anonymous and Gamblers Anonymous.

    I fully understand your desperation and depression generating self-destructive trends;
    but you need professional help in order to discover why your identity is tied to these
    escapist addictions. After decades as a psychologist, I know that at the core of your
    addictions is self-loathing coupled with obsessive thoughts and an intolerance of stress.

    Know thyself.

    That is actually pretty damn good advice. Now I see Norm wants to delete the thread? Perhaps chasing the almighty EV isn't as easy everyone makes it out to be. No two ways about it. This IS WORK.

    memoStretch your memory. We spent a few days together at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
    Yes, I realized that you had psychological problems, but I hardly knew you, and all that I could do was
    improve your counting. Your being drunk was very disconcerting, as you bet black rather aggressively.
    Seek professional help and put this behind you.

    Wasn't there an AP who boasted of all his winning prowess only to come clean that he wasn't a winner at all? Far better bull shitter than blackjack player. SmallCapGrowth maybe?

    Funny thing about tools. They are created to solve problems and make the job at hand easier. But if used incorrectly they do more damage than good. Blackjack should be solving issues. If the game is creating more? It's probably not worth the reward.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
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    Bob21, are you not the guy who used to often encourage the now burned out guy to post all of his weekly and monthly trips reports because you found them faciniating and educational?
    Probably. I like these type of posts because I find them interesting and I learn from them. I like kj’s posts on his experiences too. What wrong with that? Isn’t that part of the purpose of these forums? To share experiences so we can learn from them?
    Look Bosox, I know you’re going to have a hard time understanding this, but everybody doesn’t think the same. You seem to spend a lot of time nitpicking different people’s posts pointing out small inaccuracies or something else trivial. Don’t you have anything better to do? But if this is “your thing”, then go for it. Everybody has different things that float their boat.
    Bob. You bring up some excellent questions. Firstly, let me say, Bosox is a straight shooter. Trust me, we've add our battles (probably because I thought he was someone else). But he is about as nice and honest guy as will find IMO. Also, he helped me win a Red Sox bet or two. :D
    The problem is our opponents read these forums too. Now, if you go around bragging about your experiences and income? That's like telling your boss your going to play blackjack for the day instead of calling in sick. Hence, sooner or later, you're going to get canned, or in our case 86ed. Now maybe they think they are helping a newbie? In reality they are only making our job even more difficult.
    For instance, suppose I say I make $70k a year playing blackjack. Now to a Bosox, that might be chicken feed and he might tell me so...and then proceed to tell me how to make even more because that is what he and all his buddies do. That may or may not effect me directly. But suppose that casino manager in Derby is making $50k a year, trying to send his two daughters to Friends and has a son playing football that is sophomore in high school who is eating him out of house and home. He read this while he has the only 10 minutes of his day to himself. The next HiLO card counting regular that happens to stumble with a good run. Get's 86'ed.
    I wish Norm would set a kabosh on income/loss rhetoric like he does casino cheating. History proves the games continue to decline and rules get worse. Loose lips - sink ships. Someday we'll be playing 6.5 10 deck shoes. Someone will still be claiming to make a million dollars and 5 years someone will say. Whoops I was lying, Sorry about that. Too late. Damage was already done.
    Newbie's can fend for themselves. Either they make it or they don't. Few will. Most don't. It's what is "in them" that will make the determining factor. Not something an AP tries to instill in them.

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