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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Will the real DBS please stand up?

    Let's see.

    1.) Rebirth of UstonZen

    2.) Another False puppet

    3.) Casino Pit Boss

    5.) Newbie recreational player with full time job? Too smart.

    7.) Sock that just likes to fuck with people.

    10.) ____________maybe Midwest Player could do a Poll.
    So far I’ve done very good on the 6:5 games I’ve found.
    DBS writes ^:

    Moses replies: That eliminates 9. KJ would never make this statement and mislead a newbie. Eliminate 8. Ditto for T3.
    Eliminate 4. Even 20 year red chipper knows this much. Eliminate 6. Definately falls short with this remark.

    5? Well, maybe not too smart. 3 moves into the lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    So far I've done very good on the 6:5 games I've found. DBS writes ^:
    Hmm, The Dodo could have made that statement....

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    I'm beginning to think you two are the same person, given the very basic questions you've started posting.

    21 Forme writes to Zee and Midwest Player:

    Moses replies: I'm inclined to agree. But which one is the Muslim retired physcologist and which one has snow on his roof that thinks the statue in Wendover is a real person?

    But then, I think 21 forme and Flash are one in the same. Whatever happened to all your puppets?


    What is wrong with you people? I'm going to rename the site Kindergartentheforum. STOP ATTACKING EACH OTHER NOW.
    Norm writes:

    Whoa, CAPITAL LETTERS! That should scare the fuck out of grown men on a website. Seriously Norm, you are doing much better. But if you want to fix the problem? Put 21Forme, Zee, Midwest Player, T3, and DBS on a 7 day suspension. Then see who is naughty and nice during the 7 day hiatus. If they still can't play nice after the return, double it and repeat until they can.

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    I was playing at ************ when a white haired man in early 60's sits down. He plays about 30 minutes with me, colors up, starts walking away, comes back and whispers to me "You the guy who left the BJA book in the trunk of a car? ". I was shocked that he mentioned BJA cause I had no clue he was counting. In any case, he said " be careful what you say online" and walked away.

    Zee writes:

    The idiot OP should be banned for outing another player.

    P.S. Nice meeting you, Zee

    21 foreme writes:

    Moses replies: No editing here. Really that was you dip stick? Man, you really are a pussy. Why didn't you just say what you wanted to say and put an end to your silly little man crush on Zee once and for all. You mean outing another person like your sissy friend Ryemo did? You two-faced mother fucker.


    No, Zee is incapable of "getting it." When I saw the post early this morning, I contacted Norm and he edited the post, deleting the specifics.

    Again, perfect example of your implication that you and Norm are asshole buddies and have been for years. Hmmm, yet Norm claims he doesn't know you and has never met you.

    Norm, that CAPITAL LETTER thing didn't last 24 hours. Maybe go BOLD this time? Or put an "or else" behind it. Or an "I really mean it this time." Then, just keep adding "really." Your crew isn't listening to you...Norm.

    Well, was it really you who Zee was talking about? I suppose you will keep it a secret. Personally, I don't think it was you, 21Forme.
    Midwest Player writes.

    Moses replies: Norm close the thread. 21Forme has dug himself into a hole he cannot get out of. Nicely done MP. Hmmm, 21Forme, it doesn't look like your bird flipping is gonna fly with MP either. 21 Forme, there is something seriously wrong with you, the way you post like you're on some sort of pedestal above others. You NEED TO GET A LIFE.

    Last edited by Moses; August 27th, 2018 at 06:26 PM.

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    And playing at my table at casino X. Why do you play so dumb that nobody can even believe someone can be that dumb. It has to be an act. Nobody can be that stupid.
    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies; I must agree because I can't argue your point. Therefore, he is playing you guys and making you all look like fools. In the simle words of Nancy Reagan. Just say NO to Zee.


    After threatening to shot him you should be banned. It is the hosts responsibility to protect both the identity of APs and protect them from threats of harm.
    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies;
    For the tough guy image you can be very melodramatic. 21Forme hounded Zee like a Senior guy in college wanting to date a freshman girl in high school. STUPID!!! Zee didn't threaten to shoot him but rather said he would carry a gun to protect himself. They should've shadow boxed and pull each others index finger when 21Forme alleges to have confronted Zee. That is about how harmful these two are to each other.

    Norm, here is your answer. 21Forme. Shut the fuck up and don't let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. (Credit to MickeyCrimm). Zee will be ZZZZ's if you don't respond. Perhaps KJ is correct and Norm is not being truthful in that it IS about quantity of posts.

    T3, why are you so bent on showing your obsession with me? Now making untrue statements. I never threatened to shoot anyone. I stated on a car forum that I had purchased a gun cause I was being stalked by an obsessed person who seemed to have followed me from BJ forums to a car forum.

    Zee 1 21Forme 0.
    Last edited by Moses; August 27th, 2018 at 10:20 PM.

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    I read your post and it had one clear intent. And that was to threaten the other poster. Why else would you say you purchased a gun. What everyone was mentioning whether or not they owned a gun? Give us all a break. We all know why you mentioned you had a gun. You didn't say I have the means to defend myself. You said, I purchased a gun to deal with a fellow poster.

    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies: You're splitting hairs T3. Zee likes to fuck with people and piss them off. It worked too well with 21forme and he went overboard. Both are clearly a couple of pussies that don't really want any trouble. C'mon T3. You're smarter than that. No?

    It clear what you/Norm are doing. Why not just do it? Zee you're next in line. Put your head between your legs and kiss your sweet ass goodbye.

    Midwest Player copied the post in question and writes;

    http://www.the370z.com/3727088-post43.html

    T3: I think you owe Zee an apology. Norm should take his head out of the sand and demand it. Only a squirrel would delete this post.

    Hey Three, no where in that car post did Zee threaten to shoot anybody. The way I read the post it was Zee who felt threatened. Owning a gun is legal. I agree it was in bad taste to make such a post, and Zee has bad a heavy price for it. He got banned on four forums for it.

    Now read this and make up your own mind on who is telling the truth. Zee later said he really didn't have a gun so was probably just stirring the pot. Norm if this post is not appropriate feel free to delete it. I just made a link to it.


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    Ryemo's post is spot on. His 7 line paragraph seems to describe one of the many things a currently banned member does wrong

    21 Forme writes ^:

    Moses replies: It's not often you will hear me say this...but a little applause please.

    T3 lies. Midwest Player and yours truly pegs him in it. Norm deletes the incremenating post. Zee gets banned. I nailed it and predicted before he deleted. Not that Zee didn't have it coming. But about 3 years too late. He likes to fuck with people by acting stupid. Norm road that pony for a long time as a showcase for his jockeys to express their brilliance. Buffet closed. Game over.

    Freighter and Bosox have been eerily quiet lately. What's up with dat? Midwest Player has one foot in a deep hole and the other on a slippery rooftop. Here is to the Packers, Badgers, and a safe landing.

    My gift is baaaack!!!
    Last edited by Moses; August 28th, 2018 at 05:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    And playing at my table at casino X. Why do you play so dumb that nobody can even believe someone can be that dumb. It has to be an act. Nobody can be that stupid.
    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies; I must agree because I can't argue your point. Therefore, he is playing you guys and making you all look like fools. In the simle words of Nancy Reagan. Just say NO to Zee.


    After threatening to shot him you should be banned. It is the hosts responsibility to protect both the identity of APs and protect them from threats of harm.
    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies;
    For the tough guy image you can be very melodramatic. 21Forme hounded Zee like a Senior guy in college wanting to date a freshman girl in high school. STUPID!!! Zee didn't threaten to shoot him but rather said he would carry a gun to protect himself. They should've shadow boxed and pull each others index finger when 21Forme alleges to have confronted Zee. That is about how harmful these two are to each other.

    Norm, here is your answer. 21Forme. Shut the fuck up and don't let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. (Credit to MickeyCrimm). Zee will be ZZZZ's if you don't respond. Perhaps KJ is correct and Norm is not being truthful in that it IS about quantity of posts.

    T3, why are you so bent on showing your obsession with me? Now making untrue statements. I never threatened to shoot anyone. I stated on a car forum that I had purchased a gun cause I was being stalked by an obsessed person who seemed to have followed me from BJ forums to a car forum.

    Zee 1 21Forme 0.
    To the new poster ZZZZ , yes I would changed your name to Fred Flintstone as you suggested. Otherwise, you will be forever connected to "Hi I'm Zee, this is my brother Zee, and my other brother Zee."

    Btw, I remember Coach Stone was a big Clint Eastwood fan so he named his first born son after him. HA! Get It? Clint Stone.

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    The key is to not take life so seriously. Itís too short. And never let anyone get under your skin. Thatís what I like about Zee. I donít think it bothers him when people attack him. He seems to thrive on it.

    DBS writes:

    Moses replies: ...And life get's even shorter for those trying to get under someones skin. Live and let live. Blackjack is difficult enough. Worry about your own game. I've never undertood this newbie crusade.

    If you simple guys can't read Zee by now, there is seriously something wrong with you. Basically, he thinks you're smart, yet stuid enough to do his work for him. You all are like his free servant in order to prove your vast knowledge. It's really kind of pathetic.

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    Default I just play

    Norm is on top of his game. Closed the thread at post #18. 21forme and Zee. Why don't you bring your little girl game over here or to Las Vegas Talk forum? That way you can squabble and no one will break it up for crissake.

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    Default Still at it?

    Please don't bring my name into the thread. It's crap like this, unrelated to thread or bJ that resulted in us getting banned. I don't start it but I have to respond.

    Zee writes to 21Forme:

    Norm has made it clear he doesn't want that kind of stuff on his forum. He would rather focus on rehashing old boring stuff. Why don't you two stop acting like a couple of pussies and go to a forum where you can't really go at. It doesn't take much when you know Norm will intervene, close a thread, and bitch a little.

    But here or a place like LAs Vegas Talk forum you can both find out what you're made of. Go where the ref doesn't care and stop playing your little game of "snitch and snatch."

    Stop trying to incite, still childish. Maybe Norm can help guide you as to how to post and what lead to your being banned.

    Norm, See again, who is starting this with their sarcasm?

    Zee writes to 21Forme:

    No question whatsoever that 21Forme is a snatch. Also, a snitch most of the time. But HE gets away with it. YOU don't. Can you not see the writing on the wall Zee. You are not wanted at that site! Move on. Now, you're being a snitch when role is well known as the snatch.

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    Default Positive effects on downswing variance of waiting to double at a high bets

    T3 writes another never ending post that no one will understanding or get completely through. So I'm not even going to post.

    I realize it's not conventional to look at the game from an investment standpoint as the east coast shoe boys seem to do. But double down is to pay twice for just one card. You give up the opportunity to get a 2nd card. Why would you do that in a negative deck? It's not a prudent investment. Now, T3 is talking about a shoe game where one should have long since exited from to table. Thus they wouldn't incur that type of negative swing in the first place.

    Norm writes; Not again.
    Okay, you're finally taking the bull by the horns and leading the forum in the direction you choose...without T3 and Flash ruling and running the show.


    21Forme writes; Does the sun rise in the morning?

    Is it your life long goal to be a smartass and then run when someone stands up to you? Because that has been your history. Go back to bj21, read about HiLo, and beat off, you idiot. If blackjack were a game of crap you couldn't contribute shit if you had a mouthful of it.

    You're pretty much in the dark most of the time.

    Norm, ask yourself. Is this guy, T3 and Zee the problem or the solution? The answer on 21Forme is obvious. He is the instigator. Where was the last contribution he made that wasn't a 5 word smartass remark. T3 is the bull (now without horns). Zee is without a clue.
    Going, going, GONE! Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Will the real DBS please stand up?

    Let's see.

    1.) Rebirth of UstonZen

    2.) Another False puppet

    3.) Casino Pit Boss

    4.) 20 year red chipper? Not that smart.

    5.) Newbie recreational player with full time job? Too smart.

    6.) But yet knows more than the "pros." Whatever that means.

    7.) Sock that just likes to fuck with people. Boz? Naw. You're not in his class. Blitzer? Man, You got me.

    8.) My personal favorite. T3 duplicate that pits arguments between T3 and DBS. That's a compliment. Only you can pull that off.

    9.) KJ protege. Naw. Well, maybe?

    10.) ____________maybe Midwest Player could do a Poll.
    11.) Guy who grew up in Kansas. Went to Friends U. Now travels east coast. Ding. Ding. Ding. DING. DING. We have a winner!

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    Well Bob21, BJ-032, DBS6582. I have to admit you are what they say. Very clever. Congrat's you got me.

    I suppose that is why you have more numbers in your name than letters. lol

    As for Keystone. Ever notice he stopped coming after me? It's because I PMed him and took his challenges head on which may be a part of what got me banned.

    Seriously, I am what I say I am. Just a shit kicker from the Midwest who grew up learning to respect his elders and not to take shit from anyone. Because, if you do? They keep coming. Quite frankly, if I would've kicked a few more asses in my lifetime, I would be far better off today. I know that persona is what got me through some very intense situations here. Running simply wasn't an option. If I did? They'd chase. And I live here.

    But here is what I truly don't understand about these forums. Maybe you, or Norm, or Blitzer, Freighter, Bosox, or Fat Bumble Bee can explain it to me.

    Some people go on these forums with no intention whatsoever of ever backing up anything they say. My sole purpose was to improve my game. You'd mentioned you enjoy the controversy. I don't. I hate lies and deception.

    I've seen more shit go down, here in Reno, in 8 years than my 50 prior and most do in a lifetime. For instance, what crackpot follows a lady into a restroom and tells her he wants to do all these vile things on the other side of the door. I've seen it. Couldn't believe it. OF course, I expressed my concern to him in the nicest way possible.

    To me, call me crazy, but if I'm going onto a forum, I sort of expected a normal conversation about blackjack and with some fun included. Like, you, Bosox, and I had very briefly. Why the lies? Why the rants? Why do others like, even thrive on it? This KJ that you seem to admire so much has to be a real piece of work.

    Am I in some sort of a queer Twilight Zone episode and don't know it? I remember there were a few queers in high school. We pretty much ignored them. But, from what I remember, they would form these little cliques and decide who they were going to hate today. One kid, who was queer but a straight A student held back a year in school because his peer queers decided to hate on him for the entire year.
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    I thought and still think it very odds that a new person comes here and praises Moses the way you did. Maybe that in part is because of the lens I am looking through. Like I have said, I have known for quite sometime that Moses is not the player at the level that he says. I honestly don't think he even plays much blackjack, but maybe every once in a while when he is bored with his "buddies" in the sportsbook, or more likely is fighting with them, he plays a little blackjack at the red chip level. Maybe he even wins a little bit of money, who knows. Somebody suggested "lunch money". That is what we are talking about. That is his level of play. THAT is why he is tolerated in a place like Reno that is intolerant. Especially if he and his buddy are known sports gamblers. (notice the term "gamblers").

    My point is that in my mind Moses has demonstrated that he is not very knowledgeable about blackjack in general, let alone blackjack card counting advantage play. Even conceding the fact that he is "talking" about single deck which I don't play, he just is missing large chunks of basic knowledge and has replaced that with some voodoo, 1980's type thinking about how to play. His recent comments with a lack of understanding of variance confirmed my opinion. So I guess, that is why I have trouble when other players such as yourself and in the last few days BoSox, who I have great respect for, seem to find value in his posts. I don't see it at all, and frankly see the opposite.

    Also troubling to me was you praising his participation at ZZ. He is there talking to himself, attacking people who aren't even there or reading and you find value in that? And you know why he is there, because he has been banned everywhere else, including now here, for attacking people...to the point that it is a criminal issue. I have an appointment in a couple hours with authorities to deal with it. You find humor in that? I have been robbed...at gun point...due to posting on a forum, so I fail to see any humor in that. And yes, people will counter that I too am banned at 2 forums. But it is 1 person that created that situation and it is a result of an issue about blackjack, not a general attacking of many, many people. It is blackjack politics, not repeated trolling and hate attacks.

    In fairness, I must have missed the discussion where Bosox identified you as dbs from BJTF and you confirmed it. I actually am not that familiar with dbs as I don't read BJTF much any more and don't want to go back and read just to get a feel for you. I would rather wipe the slate clean and start fresh. Perhaps you are a guy that just enjoys trolling and name calling on the internet so you find 3rd grade Moses amusing. I guess I will have to accept that. So, I like a little legitimate BJ discussion here and welcome any kind of advantage play discussion and even legitimate recreational gambling discussion, so I hope you will stick around.

    As for DanDruff and the banning of Moses. I will just say thank you (it's a good start), better late than never and leave it at that. I know Dan and others think I am too sensitive to all this trolling. I will remind people again, I have been robbed at gunpoint, outside my home 8 years ago, because of things said on an internet forum. I have members of these forums constantly spewing hate rhetoric at me, because I am an AP, as well as personal reasons. I have members following me from other forums just to troll and attack me, such as Moses, even QFIT. (and just wait there will be others, who are just waiting right Rattler1) I have had numerous members on various sites, like Sidthesquid at WoV and Moses here, trying to get information as to where I live, a picture, my name from forum members. This would be alarming enough under any circumstances, but I am a professional blackjack player. Is the answer really that I have to forfeit my right and something I enjoy like participating in the community? That doesn't seem fair or right.

    So anyway, VegasCasinoTalk is a little better today than yesterday (hopefully that trend will continue) and we can move forward.

    KJ writes:


    ZZ Administrator. I hope you warn me before you ban me or simply delete this post if you deem inappropriate. However, this is exactly my point. Fine KJ. You keep talking and I will keep looking. It took 3 years of my life to find the guy who hurt my family. I won't go into all that. But I will say the look his face when I walked through the door of the cafť was worth every day of the some 1,100 sacrificed.

    I believed someone, somewhere would help me if I vowed not to give up. There was, and it was a person in that town whom I'd never met. The man did a similar thing to his family. But none of the towns people would believe it because he was such an icon of that community. But I had nothing to lose. He'd seen and told me all that happened which confirmed what I'd already been told by my family.

    KJ, it's ironic in your own little world of queerism's that you believe today is better than yesterday and you and your peers can move forward. It's your tomorrows you should be worrying about so I can move forward. This isn't my first rodeo dip shit. And the prior ones were far more difficult than you.

    To answer you silly self-serving question. Yes, you should have to forfeit your rights for something you enjoy so much...which is instigating and enticing those to this point. DAN, SHOULD BAN YOUR ASS IMMEDAITELY ON THIS POST ALONE.

    Maybe Bob21 or Bosox will suggest that.
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