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Thread: Do casinos really make mistakes by barring marginal counters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    Moses, I strongly suggest that you tone down a little. If someday T3 decides to come here to respond, what are you going to do, LOL?
    Same as always. Except here the playing field is level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Same as always. Except here the playing field is level.
    Hear that T3? Come over and give us a lesson or two. Just make it short!
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Default Stfu

    What is it about this forum that attracts all those who never know when to STFU?

    21forme writes ^:

    Moses replies:
    Two problems. 1.) Norm not only allows a thread to go far beyond the subject matter. 2.) It then carries over onto another thread which has nothing to do with the subject matter of that thread. Norm. Nip IT. Close the friggin thread.

    T3 set a precedent long ago that he always has to be right and win the argument...no matter what. Thus it carries over to someone, like me, that says "no I'm not going to let your win" if I believe a subject is worth an argument. But the person that stands up to him gets crucified by you followers and eventually banned by Norm.

    Now, I realize you don't care for me and if I gave much of shit, the feelings would be mutual. But if you're going to bitch, do something about it. Stand up for what you believe in. Don't just stick your head in the sand and run to another forum and then return to bitch some more. You need to do more than just pick on Zee. Otherwise, it's YOU that needs to STFU.
    Last edited by Moses; June 2nd, 2018 at 09:44 AM.

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    Default Flash False

    Moses Green; False Blue;

    IF
    there was a large number of Expert Card Counters on my level,
    or on Tarzan's level, it would be logical to have us banished.
    O brother. Two words. Casino Tolerance.
    You expect them to adjust to your game. Your ego keeps getting in the way of you being allowed to play. Thus you're retired sitting on your ass in NYC wondering what could have been that never was.

    The reality is that there are maybe 200 peeps who are really
    strong Card Counters.
    There are perhaps 20,000+ amateurs who do not present any danger to the casinos.

    I was once playing in the Nevada State Backgammon Championships, when, during a
    break, there were a dozen A.P.'s having coffee and this topic came up. Amazingly several
    A.P.'s and I agreed that in the BJ world there are about 200 of us who play a strong SOLO
    game.
    Prime example.
    You pull numbers out of thin air and expect eveyone to take it as gospel.

    The casinos cannot differentiate my play from that of ZeeBabar!
    Wrong!
    There are different levels of those who evaluate. If it were me, I'd ban you just because you're a dick. Boss says, "why did you ban that guy"? Because he's a dick and he is listed on OSN. "Oh okay." End of story.

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    While it may be casino policy to allow counters to play unfettered, a pit boss (not a floor clerk) does not want his/her shift to look bad and it is possible s/he will back off or countermeasure a player who is winning. Gotta get the drop and hold numbers up there so his/her boss will be happy.

    Mofungoo writes ^:

    Moses replies:

    Exactly. This is the game from their perspective which is how you have to play it.


    That's assuming the boss is a moron, too. A boss with a brain would fire anyone who backs off someone just for winning.

    21 forme writes ^:

    Moses replies:

    It doesn't matter whether the boss is a moron or not. It matters whether you are playing or not. Calling them moron's is only going to fire them up an make life more difficult for the AP. Once the curtain drops. Shows over.

    They don't back off someone just for winning. But that is when they are going to start watching. Another typical canned False protege response.

    Or are you one in the same?


    Last edited by Moses; June 3rd, 2018 at 12:11 PM.

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    In all fairness, recently so many socks of already banned members have been re-banned that any new member will be suspected of being a sock of a banned player.

    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies;

    Well duh! Norm just allowed 3 different threads to total over 400 posts where the writers did nothing but bash casino personell. Hmmm. You think the wrong people might have gotten a little pissed off? Now it appears they are rising against those who bash them. In essence, they have nothing to lose. Instead of proving you're right which you are for the most part. You should have been shutting people up.

    Socks are the least of Norm's worries. But they will still keep coming. The old adage "how do you move a mountain"? One shovel of dirt at at time.

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    Default post 171. not to mention the other two threads

    Stealth, Iím surprised you would make a statement like this. Of course I have more information than just seeing someone changing his bet. Since Iím playing at the table, I also know the count. If the person is changing his bet with the count, then I suspect he might be a counter. The first time it might have been a random event but by the third time, I know heís a counter.

    There are also other things that mark them as a counter, like the way they scan the table, ask to see peopleís cards when the dealer shows an ace, always start a shoe with min bet, almost never tip, show little emotion, take insurance when the count is +3 or higher and not take insurance when itís lower than +3, etc. Trust me, the people Iíve identified as counters are counters. They also usually check off all the boxes on what a counter looks like. Most people should know what this means.

    Since youíre also a counter, Iím surprised you find it hard to spot a fellow counter. To be honest with you, Iíve got to where I can spot a counter almost before they place their first bet. After 15 mins, my suspicions are confirmed.

    This isnít a big deal, Iím just surprised you think itís difficult to spot counters. As Iím sure you know, all counting systems lead to someone betting more when the deck is positive and less when itís zero or negative, so it doesnít matter what counting system a person uses.

    This has nothing to do with what the casino should do when a counter has been identified. Even though Iíve identified many counters over the past 20 years, I have not seen one backed off. Thatís why Iím wondering why so many people think casinos are doing this.

    DBS writes ^:

    Moses replies:

    Fat Bumblebee. Is it just me or do you see similarities in the posting style? For a recreational counter he sure seems to concern himelf with alot of activity around him. What's wrong with this picture?

    The count, my bet, my next move is 95% of my thought process. If circumtances around me interrupt that process? I leave. Simple as that. There is no inclination to multi task. DBS continues to say he is not casino personell. But for a part time counter, he sure sounds like an expert from the other side.

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    Frrreighter...in the words of Richard Pryor "you are a funny motha f***er."

    Enjoyed reading the thread about your trip. Repeat above. lol

    Btw. This thread that should've been closed at 20 is closing in on 200. Will miracles never cease? Time to put sharp objects out of childrens reach.

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    My main point is I can identify counters. Iím surprised thatís such a hard concept for people to understand. Itís not that hard to know if someone is counting....all you need to do is see if heís moving his bet with the count.

    3 jr. writes ^:

    Moses replies;
    Okay. Bravo. But what's the point? I remember sitting at a location in a casino on a busy day where I could view all the tables. My thought was, "hell, damn near everyone here is counting." Thus they must know I'm counting. Otherwise, I'd be one of a select few who actually is NOT counting. The key is who can play and who can't count. Like watching a varsity player in PE class.

    What if? I'm not moving my bet with the count. How are you going to tackle that one?

    This what I mean. Let him give you some answers and stop giving up all your knowledge. Geesh!



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    So far only T3 can identify advantage situations that other systems cannot (based on his claim that is). That is why he is one of a kind expert, LOL!

    To be honest, if you sim with a computer, play like a computer, and bet like a computer, you will be caught by a computer too!
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    So far only T3 can identify advantage situations that other systems cannot (based on his claim that is). !
    Actually, that's not quite true. My way is quite a bit simpler. However, I have to share a certain degree to T3s explanation. I just put it in my own simple terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    To be honest, if you sim with a computer, play like a computer, and bet like a computer, you will be caught by a computer too!
    Excellent qoute and astute observation. I never thought of it that way. But now that I have, I couldn't agree more.

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    Three, Iíve read this post multiple times and Iím still trying to figure out what youíre trying to say. It appears you and Freightman have got some new counting system that extracts EV while reducing variance, and itís not published in any book...itís a secret only you and Freightman know. I donít think Iíve ever read a post with more buzz words and code words.

    If this is such a novel approach at ďgetting smooth BR growthĒ, why not make some money off it by publishing a book?

    DBS writes ^:


    Moses replies:
    T3. I understand EVERY SINGLE WORD. I didn't agree with some of them. lol You don't need to publish yet another book to make money T3.

    Now, I'm going to give you and Freighter the most important piece of advice I've every given on a forum. Please. Please. Please. Shhhhhh.

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    Default Perfect Summary

    Dbs and Three are both right, and both wrong.

    Mofungoo writes ^:

    Moses replies:

    Monfungoo is one of my favorite posters because he has a great knack for summarization. In this case, he just put the better part of 417 posts spanning 4 threads into one sentence. So that leaves me with only 2 questions.
    1.) Why did Norm. Not that Norm the other Norm close the one thread at 35 but not the others? They all read the same to me. But if one knew, they could've short circuited the other 3. Thus the Visine stock would plummet.
    2.) The Monfungoo handle. Depending on spelling, it is either a tasty recipe for a Puerto Rican dish or Tiger Droppings.







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    Default A to Zeeeee

    This thread is getting beyond ridiculous. Marginal counters should not be banned is like arguing Walmart should not do anything about the guy who comes in every day to shoplift candies and cheap goods.

    Zee writes:

    Moses replies:

    Zee. Have you been rasslin with lady greeter at Walmart again for snarfing down Snicker bars in the candy isle again?

    You sir, are a comic legend in some parts of the country. But the group is pretty much split as to whether you are a real person or one of Norm's, not that Norm, the other Norm's alter personalities.

    Nonetheless, that time you hit A7 sitting next to the big cowboy at 3am? Classic. People were rolling on the floor. Even the cocktail waitress laughed so hard that her top dropped down and she didn't care.

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    I am done with the forum idiots. They are almost certainly both trolls and one is definitely a casino employee. Both will be ignored because they are the types of idiots that make my posts become long.

    T3 writes:

    Moses replies:

    ...And numerous. You forgot the word numerous. Btw 3, that little round glass above your head? It's called a light bulb. Next time give it a little twist just a wee bit sooner and it will light up. But thank goodness it came on when it did. I was just about to poke myself in the eye with one of Frrreighter's schticks. Im just razzin you guys.

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