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    Most likely a post by you that put everything in motion, to begin with. Are you enjoying the show? I hope you have 500 inches of snow this winter.

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    Moses replies: I don't know what has got into you lately, Bosox. You're not just funny. You're Richard Pryor funny
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dw8SCUcXYU
    Last edited by Moses; November 27th, 2018 at 04:14 PM.

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    I think you should get three days suspended yourself for alerting every Middlesex village and farm of possible trouble ahead that the British are coming, the British are coming.
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    Moses replies: O dammit Bosox, when am I ever going to learn to not be drinking coffee while reading your posts. Now I've got to go put on another sweatshirt. Thank God I missed the laptop. Funny as hell.

    So yeah, YOU T3 crossed the line long ago. As for the owner of that site and his recent behavior, I was asked not to comment on, and so I won't.
    KJ writes:

    Moses replies: KJ, who would ask you not to comment and why would you oblige? Is there some kind of blackjack forum hell where we all sent for hurting Sir Normcelots feelings? Okay, I will see you there Norm.


    Bosox and KJ: All you need to do is ask T3/Dummy one question. What are the tag values assigned to each card? Consider T3 and Flash to be one in the same. T3 has stated a few times that Flash was his mentor. Flash would post hundreds of different tag values he took from Peter Griffins book for each specific play. That would be like me assigning 53 different side counts to a 52 card deck. IT'S BULLSHIT. If T3 says he can perform two different counts and an Ace side count over the course of 312 cards and be perfectly accurate? He is lying. I've tried it over 52 cards. Holy mindfuck, Batman.
    Last edited by Moses; November 28th, 2018 at 01:50 PM.

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    Default Norm and sim's

    Norm writes: My reply: "CVData requires 16 licenses to run in development mode and around 350 files" was in response to your request for the source code so that you could modify it. It simply isn't possible for you to modify it as you don't have the development licenses. It's fairly simple to mod CVData to sim this as it's close to something I simmed many years back. But, I was attacked for years after running that sim.


    Moses replies: I'm not going to even address the OP. It's so ridiculous, it's off the charts. But the above statement has been my feeling all along. Why not simplify it? Now you say I'm the only one still paying single deck. Then why am I sitting at home for 3 weeks over the holidays because the tables are full at 15 casinos? And that is just in one city. There are still many small towns throughout Nevada that offer the game. Seems to me it could be you who is missing an entire market.

    IF you went with percentages it would eliminate the need to round, floor, truncate, 95th percentile, Stat round, True count resolution, true count division, deck resolution, deck estimate, full deck, half deck, quarter deck, exact. All those words in order to guess in exchange for one to be precise. Percentage.

    Imagine the arguments that would be resolved. Of course, there would still be some discussion because it's new. As Peter Griffin stated, "great engineers have the ability to understand complex equations. But the best know how to make complex simple again." So do you want to be great or the best?


    Actually, I will address the OP. For one thing, keeping a count with your chips is suicide. Now some 120 posts later, all you experts managed to miss that sentence? Geesh. Norm, I thought your goal was quality not quantity. Secondly, play out 10K hands on Verite exactly the way you play or advise others to play in a casino to see if YOU can even do it before expecting others to be flawless.

    I've got to go along with KJ and Bosox in that a little common sense can go a long way. HiLO is as good as anything for a shoe because it's 312 cards. That's a long time to wait for a mistake to correct itself. In a single deck, with a percentage count, a rare mistake might be made in the 5th round. If so, no big deal, they shuffle after 6. T3 and Tarzan are trying to live in the perfect world. Key word being "live." Don't forget to do it.

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    Default Don S email is being hacked?

    Norm: You have same really strange shit going on at your forum website. My terms in our heated conversation was for you to tell me the truth, your readers that you deleted posts to incriminate me and not Flash. Plus a public apology from Flash. A sincere one. Not his blue ink BULLSHIT. In exchange, I would simply go away.

    My offer still stands. Fine. Have it your way. I will chase you to the ends of the earth in pursuit of the truth.

    Seems odd Don S emails getting hacked and T3 is the first responding with some kind of nonsense. I don't know why it was so important to Flash and his blue oyster cult that I put a drop box on my computer. Just in case Flash, according to KJ, who is just a RCH shy of being a criminal is up to something again? I bought another computer.

    You saying you don't know, never met, have no clue who Flash or T3 are after 20k posts on your forum is utter nonsense. Why? To reiterate, it's was Flash's list of emails whom he deemed worthy of his private knowledge, made it easy for me, to identify his cult. Of course, I realize you prefer to have that all swept under the rug. Whoops! Sorry about that.

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    I suppose Don pissed somebody off Moses? Perhaps it's Karma.

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    btw, folks, look at the post counts of some of our "newest" members. It won't be long before they reveal themselves to be the old banned trolls of yesteryear.

    The Refinery writes:

    Moses replies: C'mon guys. Are you really going to let this statement pass? IF you're so smart Ref, then why talk in grey? Just name the troll(s) in black and white.

    At 600 posts since July 2016, you've done nothing but bitch like an old woman. I'd love to go one on one with you on a level playing field. You got the balls? Didn't think so.


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    Here's what's always interesting about people like you who come to a site like this. Allegedly (when, in fact, it's not the case at all), you come here to solicit others' opinions and to learn from them. Then, when you get those (unanimous) opinions that what you're suggesting is utter nonsense, you take issue, argue, and try to explain why we're all wrong and you're right.

    So, what was the REAL reason that you came here?

    Don

    Moses replies: Sorry Don. I disagree. One gets your answer which is good. Followed by Flash, blue oyster cult, profound blue ink puppet answers that create confusion to confound the understanding. Then, at least for me, I search through Sims and thousands of line by line items to get MY answers which separate the advantages from the thresholds...and THAT is what it takes to make money in a game of people played with cards.

    I could have got more done in a 20 minute cup of coffee with you and Mr. Thorp than in 5 years of separating shit from honey on BJTF.

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    You have almost 300 posts here since August 2016. You can't figure this one out? Here's one way of looking at it: norm's software has all conditions of casino play except one.

    Hey Norm-- can I shake out all the bad hands at home? cc12b wants to hear it from you and not me.

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    Moses to the rescue: And you have double the amount of posts since you arrived July 2016. Evidently, you can't explain it either. What is WRONG with you?

    One more time. I will write slowly so you can get it this time. The are no good and/or bad hands to shake out at home and/or casino. You study and practice so you can more easily recognize the advantage situations in casino where all the crazy stuff is going on around you. I hate to pull the sports analogy card on you, because I realize you've probably never caught a ball in your life.

    It doesn't matter if you finally made a basket in a game, was high point man, player of the week, or lead the nation in scoring. You still go out and shoot baskets in the park. So who you do you want to take the last shot? The guy who has put in the time so he knows he can make the shot? Or the guy sitting on the bench frantically doing calculations? You may as well go back to
    BIG BLUE INK because you've exposed yourself as the idiot you truly are.

    You wait for the game to come to you. When it arrives in a casino? It's no different than practicing at home. C'mon FLASH.
    Last edited by Moses; January 24th, 2019 at 09:05 PM.

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    Default Mastrers of the game? My ass

    I have not read all the threads but it seems like the group has been fairly nice with you. I like to play a few hands at home myself just to see what happens and I can take my time and review my thought process on close calls. I think you should be nice here and I am sure most will treat you fair. Above all please do not insult the masters of the game.

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    Moses replies: Are you friggin kidding me? The Refinery couldn't hit his own ass with both hands on a good day. Rather than me insult, please list the masters. 1.) Don S. okay, I'll give you that one. 2.) Freighter. You won't list because you're an idiot choir boy. 3.) Bosox. Very bright guy. But you won't list because the cult isn't into those who tell it like it is.

    In essence, you are putting someone down for having a strong work ethic. I guess you all are so damn good, there is an express window at the casino where you simply drive up and collect your cash. You think, because you know all the thresholds, that it will lead you to prosperity. But you wouldn't know the difference between a threshold and an advantage if it came up and bit you on the ass. Tell you what, you "masters" keep running your race in lane 8 and I'll keep running mine in lane 1 and we'll see who get's their first. BTW, what happened to all the "masters" of yesteryear that used to post? Went broke?

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    Let say you lost $10K at casino at 60% of the N0 rounds and win $10K with sim with 40% of N0 rounds and you reach the N0 of your game. The win or lost at casinos or sim can goes either way. That is what I understand. Thanks

    CC12 writes:

    Huh? If you lose in a casino, the money will never return. But if you lose on Verite, you can correct your mistakes and improve your game for free.
    No, I'm not saying you will never lose in a casino. What I am saying is losing is part of the game, so win or lose, always be at your best. Game selection is key. If you're not willing to practice a certain game on Verite at home, then why are you willing to play it in a casino? No one, I MEAN no one, is always at their best, especially without practice.

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    Jesus fucking CHRIST lol...

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    Moses replies: And you find Freighter offensive? Norm, now who is being Anti- Sematic? IF you had one hair on your ass, you would delete this post and ban this wimp in a heartbeat.

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    If casinos run a forum, I could understand it if they do not allow discussions about casino cheating. Otherwise, on a Black Jack general discussion forum, a person or a group of members should be able to discuss all topics including cheating by casinos.

    It seems that some people want to participate in every thread. If someone does not believe there is cheating by casinos, they should just move on.

    I don't get it as to why such discussions should be moved to a vodoo section. Is there any definitive evidence that casinos cannot cheat?

    Zee writes:

    It's a worthwhile point. Play to win or don't play at all. Even if casinos cheat, whether it's deception or reality, you still have these two choices. For instance, the call in the Saints game. Perhaps an honest mistake by the official. Point is, the Saints put themselves in this vulnerable position in the first place.
    I'm not saying whether it right or wrong. What I am saying is your game plan should include the human error factor which may or may not appear as cheating. If your at the top of your game? If won't matter.

    What if? Casinos did have a hand in BJTF. It would certainly speak to Norm's sensitivity, odd behavior, and playing of favorites. No?

    So if we are not going to talk about cheating, then please refrain from boasting. You're only making things more difficult. All of you should encourage Norm to delete those kind of posts and/or put those type of threads in the Disadvantage Section. For instance, the 525 post thread spoke to a player cheating in the OP. Norm DO your JOB. When you don't? Whether some realize it or not, it makes life difficult for all of us.

    Money is a funny thing. Suppose I made $300 in a blackjack session. Many on a forum would consider that chicken feed. However, the dealer sees it as a small fortune. Did they tell me that? Well, sometimes. But, look around, on a snowy day. The dealers that remain are damn happy to get the overtime or extra hours while the others are stuck at home or told not to come in because it's slow. Therefore, money is in the eyes of the beholder and best not discussed.

    Now RJCH constantly boasts about all her winnings and casino prowess. What? You don't think pit bosses and casino people read these forums. Truth be told, no one on a forum worth their salt gives two shits about your self professed greatness. But taken the wrong way by the wrong person makes all our jobs as players even more difficult.
    A big part of my job is protecting my game. So you call it a mental illness or whatever makes you feel good or right. But the bottom line is when you write your CRAP you WILL hear from me. ALSO, you guys needs to protect YOUR game. Otherwise, history proves you won't have a game to protect.
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    Gas 1 writes: Questioning me, dogging my opinion etc, etc will truely fall on deaf ears. So with that said, lets hear from many others in the trenches if their struggles have been increased or lessoned over past few years?

    Simply put. Loose lips. Sink ships.

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    Default We Does Variance Kill You?

    "A stitch in time saves nine", meaning that preventive maintenance is preferable.


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    Default Money refunded, membership cancelled...

    Norm closed this ridiculous thread started by Zee after only 56 posts. Job well done.

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