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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    I deleted what I saw and have never posted a private name, not even the names of the bastards at ZZ or KJ who have accused me of vile crimes. In any case, this guy has purposely self-posted his name on YouTube, even while claiming his family is somehow endangered by the posting of his name.

    Norm writes ^:

    Moses writes:
    You banned me before I could point out in the thread what Ryemo was doing. So I sent you a private email and said you need to read your own damn forum. Then point out thread and post #. But you left it up for weeks. Why are you protecting this Ryemo guy?

    Why are you protecting False? Why do you claim you've never met him nor know him? But False says he's known you for years? Again, False is/was distributing private emails obtained from your forum. Yet you do nothing. Why?

    If people are in fact family members and personal friends that would seak to you slanted vision. But keeping it all a big secret is just plain chicken shit. Hanging up won't make your problem go away.
    That jerk always has something nice to say about the ZenZone. I would figure that Norm saw the post, but left it up anyways. He views Dustin/Kevin as competition because he is vouching for Blackjack Apprenticeship. Dustin/Kevin did a wonderful job creating all these videos to expose Morgenstern and Flynn. Once they were gone and out of the picture Norm then allowed a malicious act to be carried out on his forum so that Blackjack Apprenticeship would not get any more exposure thru Dustin's/Kevin's youtube channel. Thinking he would just go away and stop making videos. Norman plays dirty.

    I wouldn't even bother giving Norm a call to come to a resolution. You've moved on to better things and a better forum Moses.
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    Btw, when I went down memory lane looking up these old posts, I was surprised at how obsessed you were with me back then. I was in most of your posts, but the names you called me kept fluctuating. You spent about a month calling me ustonzen, and then Contrary, and then Mary Mary Contrary, and then I was a casino dealer and then there was a bunch of names I won’t mention here, until you settled in on dipshit. In was interesting to see how our relationship has evolved over these many weeks. Seems like much longer. Lol

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    Moses replies:

    This is a perfect example of how Norm allows things to fester until it gets out of control. Then he protects his own and removes the adversary. So DBS, are you UstonZen or not? Many could see UstonZen had the same demented writing style as False. It seems DBS just wants to fuck with people. He is very good at it. But that is generally not a good idea. There are more important things to be good at. Plus I'm not sure Freighter is the one I would choose. UstonZen still want some? He used to go down memory lane as well.

    The simple fact Norm allows this to go on is pathetic. READ your own damn foum NORM. IF you want a clean forum as you say and to talk about blackjack? Then stop being such a damn weasel, do your JOB, and nip this stuff before it starts.

    Norm needs someone to moderate Norm. Perhaps Norm. Not that Norm. The other Norm.

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    I doubt it. I'm reasonably sure of your other handle. If correct, then you are a oozing collection housing a horrendously foul odour of gangrenous pus - a joyful festive community housing infectious bacilli.

    Freighter writes ^:

    Moses replies:

    T3 wrote the other day about Norm being fair and the ones who don't comply are gone. I beg to differ. Norm's puppets stay and anyone taking issue with same are gone.

    Norm, I happen to know, first hand, you can easily identify those who are using more than one handle, socks, etc.,

    This DBS has been an issue for weeks as Freighter states above. But Norm has his head stuck in the sand. Why?

    Norm needs to address any and all claims about other handles, socks etc...because HE knows the truth. Perhaps if Norm can't or won't for some unknown reason, then T3 needs to put a liplock on his talk about Norm's fairness. Simply not true. He plays his favorites which makes the word "forum" bias and without credibility.

    If DBS is indeed UstonZen who was False then Norm needs to address this and nip his buddy, whom he claims he doesn't know, but good. Once a for all. Deception is running rampant.








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    Default anyway to fool card counter spotting software?

    Yes. Column Count. Buffet closed? Game over!
    Moses replies:


    It's kind of like Wal-Mart with Jewellry and electronic high priced goods under great scrutiny while I am someone popping a grape or shoplifting a piece of gum. The solo card counter is minor.
    Zee writes ^:

    Moses replies:

    I think Norm's puppet of a Muslim Doctor in the midwest who retired to played HiLo DD blackjack, zooming around the M states in his little red car misinterpreted the "America, Land of the Free" meaning.
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    You have no clue how SDLC, code repositories, and source code escrow work. It's probably best you stop talking now.

    The Refinery writes to BJ Genius:

    Moses replies: Is this some sort of a threat? Many times you post crap like this and then complain when you are confronted, pulling the "I was threatened" card. OF course you will be threatened, or worse, when you address people in this manner. Starting lines with "you have no clue" is like puffing up your chest. A common tactic by bullies. When your opponent stops talking, you'd best start ducking.

    So who is this guy? IF you have more rights than another poster then it should be noted. Otherwise, it's fraud. IF not, then Norm needs to shut your ass up and knock you down a notch or two.

    As for ASM's? You can set Verite to deal the cards at many different levels of variance. Nuf said?

    The Refinery and 21 Forme love to jump on BJ Genius and Zee. To each his own. I generally, don't walk up to someone muttering to himself on the street and question the logic in his words. What is left if BJTF takes these guys and Norm's puppets out of the equation? 21 Forme and the Refinery can talk to each other. Hmmm, just like the guy muttering to himself on the street.
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    What I wrote isn't speculation or conjecture. It's over 20 years of experience in this industry. This is how software on custom hardware platforms is developed. Wow, you guys really just want to believe anything.

    No, what I wrote is not speculation. EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS THREAD IS.

    The Refinery writes ^:

    Moses replies: Now you've managed to insult everyone who took the time to post in that thread. Because YOU have to be right and the only one with superior knowledge. Funny, Gronbog didn't post. HE is the computer programming expert. No? Put your thumb back in your mouth and stop throwing a tantrum.

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    I want this thread to die because it espouses something I believe to be incredibly silly, a waste of time, potentially dangerous, and most of all just simply implausible.

    The Refinery writes ^:

    Moses replies: Why does a poster deem it their responsibility to make a thread die? Many threads are silly. Name 3 that haven't been an utter waste of time. Most threads are like watching a dog chase his tail. But how is it potentially dangerous and to whom?

    The El Cortez thread is a perfect example that you are dangerous with all these silly games you play with other posters by using various handles. People hate losing time and money. When someone manipulates others and belittles them for not agreeing with you? That's dangerous. Especially if they lose time and/or money.

    Norm, YOU need to stop fucking with people.

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    Yes, this is obvious. Probably the most honest thing you have said during this thread. So, care to explain why? If this is occurring, why are you against exposing it?

    Here are some numbers for you. Since I really began looking into this several months ago. Of 157 shoes played, 149 have reached a true count of either +4 or -4. This includes 8 for 8 since this thread started. This may be an insignificant sample size, but to me this seems like something is wrong and worth looking into. At the very least, I don't feel this is a random shuffle.

    And that is all I said. I said I find these results suspicious, warned other players and suggest other players take a look. So can you explain, why you want this to die?

    Spiderman writes to The Refinery^:

    Moses replies; Obviously, you've done your homework. Those numbers would be disconcerting to me. But with my count, it wouldn't matter all that much. Having 4 out of 8 decks hit a TC of +4 would be heaven. Quite frankly, I see more cheating with a hand shuffle than a machine. My guess is out of 16 decks, I get 3 around TC 3+. Probably 8 between the 2s and 5 at -3 or greater.

    Cheating only hurts the players that cannot make the proper adjustments. Most times I can, sometimes I can't. When I can't, I walk away and don't return. But if it's only 2 tables why are you trying to warn everyone? It seems the idea of taking the casino down eliminates far more that just two tables. No?

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    I can tell you that, even with a great 75% penetration, TCs of +4 or higher or -4 or lower, together, shouldn't appear more than about 25% of the time. So, if 157 shoes have produced those extremes 95% of the time, that is statistically IMPOSSIBLE for a random game.

    Let me continue. I have no dog in this fight. I think anyone who sets foot in EC should have his head examined, and if this piece of garbage, disgusting establishment disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, along with all its pit personnel, the world would surely be a better place in which to live. But that has nothing to do with the current allegations.

    As for Spiderman's motives for posting, if I suspected a casino of cheating, I would most assuredly want to warn fellow players to stay away from the games that I suspected. Why wouldn't I do that, as a courtesy to my colleagues? But, I would go much further. I would do anything in my power to destroy the casino. Get its license pulled. File multi-million-dollar lawsuits. Because I don't believe in getting mad; I believe in getting even.

    El Cortez has been, for decades, a toxic waste site. A raw sewage DUMP. Nothing would please me more than for them to be cheating and to have that cheating exposed and punished.

    That said, it goes without saying that I don't have the faintest idea if any of the allegations are true or not. But, there's a part of me that would like them to be true, just so that they could, ultimately, be exposed and the casino could be rightfully punished.

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    Moses replies: There are many DUMPs throughout the country. Not my Circus. Not my Monkey. I would think other colleagues would be smart enough to know the difference instantly. It's a VITAL part of the job requirement. If they close the DUMPs or tables that are suspect, it only means the quality places are going to fill up even more with ploppies who don't know or care. Live and let live my brother.

    God grant me the Serenity to Accept the things I cannot change. The Courage to Change the things I can. The Wisdom to know the Difference.

    Don S. The objective is to drain the swamp. Fighting alligators is required. But not the primary focus.

    I would say you've been very generous in your assessment of 25% either in TC +4 or -4 territory. Of course there are many different count structures. But in single deck straight up, you will be in the 0 range 65%.
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    The important thing is that as a player who plays 70-80 thousand rounds of blackjack a year, it's like Stealth said, you can just feel when something is not right. That is what lead me to investigate further.

    Spiderman writes ^:

    Moses replies: Of course you will get into situations that don't feel right with that volume of annual play. But it is what it is. I focus on what I can do as opposed to fret about what I can't do. It's enough. S-man. You live in Las "friggin" Vegas! IT's not like you have to drive across a state to find a better game.


    Finally to the refinery: I am not sure what your deal is. You come off as a supporter of the casino industry. I have no idea if you are but that is how you come off, with your thinking this industry is beyond suspicion. This industry has basically proven they can't be trusted time and time again. Spiderman writes ^;

    Moses replies: The Refinery is another forum bully with the full support of Norm. On a good day, he actually can hit his ass with both hands. But those days are few and far between. That's not the Norm. But it's the Norm at BJTF.

    What industry can be trusted? At least here you know what you're getting into. Let's not pretend this is some Mary Poppins, hairy high school, rah rah sis boom bah bullshit. This is real. So you get screwed every now and then. Beat the game or hit the road. Sorry bro, it's just that simple. If you know what has been played and what still remains, then clumps shouldn't matter in DD. Pen matters. Frequency and amount of bet spread matter. If your playing HiLo with shallow pen and a limited spread then you probably have a better chance when/if they are cheating.


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    I am sure nobody here appreciates your lack of discretion when dealing with other people's identity. Most here already knows who Spiderman is and have chosen to not say anything. That should tell you how we feel about it here and that your lack of discretion would put you on an AP blacklist as to people that can't be trusted with any sensitive info. A very bad thing if you expect to be clued into any great AP opportunities through networking. I strongly suggest you delete who you speculate the OP is.

    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies: I disagree T3. Are saying a permanent ban is okay as long as they come back under a different handle? That is exactly the problem. If Norm was doing his job, many of those shouldn't have been banned in the first place. It's a complete lack of responsibility which results in a forum with absolutely no credibility. I think everyone should cast an opinion on who they think different handles might be. THAT would be a step to restoring some of the credibility lost when False created so many different handles.

    It's becoming obvious 21Forme an The Refinery are one in the same as they post more now that False retired. C'mon Maaan!

    I'm calling bullshit on your AP blacklist. In retrospect, the further False stayed the fuck away from me the better. The self given responsibility for his email list was off the charts and you now it. I found you from it. It is very easy to read the forum to eliminate the bad and investigate what remains. Nothing pisses anyone off more in this world than DECEPTION.

    It is obvious 21Forme and The Refinery are one in the same as they post even more now that False retired for the umpteenth time. As for Spiderman? More power to him because he had no choice. Again, if what T3 says is true that the entire forum knows the true identity and doesn't care? Then Norm needs to have the nuts to say he was wrong and it's okay to come back.

    If I had to bet. I'd wager Don S, Freighter, and Bosox don't play that game. Thus the most highly respected members.


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    There are many many APs that know me and all the games I play. They know I am legit and if anything I tone down my results for a number of reasons.

    T3 writes:

    Moses replies: Being an AP social butterfly isn't something to brag about. I prefer to keep people at arms length. Especially other players. More likely, there are a few AP's with several different handles that know you. BTW, how many do you go under? I'm sure all yours will vouch for you.

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