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    Default The Great Count DeHate

    The main problem with the count debate is there is no end. There cannot possibly be an end without a beginning. The answer is within each individual. But it's not difficult with a step by step process.

    Are you a thinker?

    A. Skipper's racquet costs $2 less than Pooch's racquet? What is the cost?

    B. Pooch's racquet costs $3 plus Ĺ the cost of Callie's racquet. What is the cost?
    C. Callie's racquet costs $2 more than Holly's racquet. What is the cost?
    D. Holly's racquet costs $6

    Your ability to quickly solve these equations may well speak to your blackjack counting ability. There is nothing wrong with Hi Lo. The wrong is to discourage those capable of more by knowing the SCORE. Especially, with the tools available from Norm.

    The SCORE from a simulation is real great. However, the mission is to keep it “real” instead of great. A great SCORE reflects a game of cards played by people. Remember you are playing a game of people with cards. There is no greater tool to compare tag values than CV Data. So, rather than start from one and working your way up? Consider starting at the topand working your way back to your comfort level.

    Wong Halves offers the most streamlined approach because you only have to remember one number. If you can remember two, then Perfect Insurance is second in line. Now, you are working with a 994 BC, 565 PE and 1000 IC. In worst case scenario, if your lose the 2nd count, your IC is still 725. It may be possible to adjust the tag values to get a higher SCORE. But consider this your starting point as opposed to the end result. Most will tag variations will run about the same in a sim. But sometimes there is that one that stands out by 10%. A streamlined approach without the bottleneck is the way to the most efficient structure to YOUR game.

    Good engineers understand complex equations. Great engineers make complex equations simple again.
    Stanford Wong is the epitome of this statement with Wong Halves in relation to the effect of removal study by Peter Griffin.
    Don S is the epitome of this statement with the Sweet 16 and Fab 4.
    Norm is the epitome of the this statement with his software products.

    Casino tolerance is the primary consideration because EV is always $0 if you are not allowed to play. So when selecting the data for your sim, do not include an index that will get you kicked out, shuffled up on, or incur wrath from others at the table. Most realize betting strategy increases should not exceed casino tolerance. But few consider the frequency of bet increases will draw attention as well. A 10% frequency should keep you under the radar and still make a pitch game worthwhile. This is
    a key barometer when comparing tag values and systems. The beauty in CV Data is it shows you how to win without all the glitter. Don't forget to have fun!

    Casino Verite is a mirror as to how you perform at your game. Play the same way you play in a casino.

    The long run is about 59% probability after 10 hours or about 1000 hands; 75% probability after 100 hours or 10,000 hands. 94% after 500 hours 50,000 hands. 99% after 1000 hours 100,000 hands.

    So, in order for you to see yourself in the mirror, about 10K hands puts you in pretty good shape. A commitment of 10 hours per day and 100 hands per hour is far more prudent than grinding out lessons with your hard earned dollars. Two weeks and you've learned more about yourself and the game than most guys in 6 months of casino play.
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    For adding indices beyond the I18 focus more on the positive ones than the negative ones. That is where you will have your biggest bets out. The negative ones you should probably not even be playing when they occur and would certainly have a small bet out if you were still betting.
    T3 writes:


    Moses replies: Well said. Start with 14v10.

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    I made the mistake of opening some ignored posts just to see the idiot is maybe even dumber than he was when I put him on my ignore list. You have to be totally clueless and absolutely unteachable, or be trolling me all the time to make my ignore list.

    T3 writes ^:

    Moses replies ^: So how do I put some of those at Black Jack Trivial Fuckers on my ignore list?

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    Another count debate.

    Amazing........

    Anyone surprised with the results? So, I can train and learn a new count that is harder than most humans can not accomplish only to learn it falls short of HIOptII ASC, which we have all know about forever.

    Appreciate bjanalyst's enthusiasm and without his adept math skills I doubt he would have captured so much attention. I continue to suggest there are more lucrative improvements in the area of betting and longevity than trying to squeek out another bit from playing. There was a reason that the Illustrious 18/Fab 4 were created and it had to do with simplicity of play and value for effort. Those concepts should be applied to this adventure.

    Nice work Gronbog!

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    Moses replies: Gronbog is one of the nicest guys in the blackjack community. Maybe it's time he SIM Freighter's Wong Halves with Ace side count. Probably don't even need the Ace side count to outperform Hi Opt II/ASC in a shoe. But what the heck. Do both anyway. Less work. Higher SCORE. What a novel idea?

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    Adding AA78mTc side count to High Low


    Moses replies: 410 posts of complete and utter garbage. Norm, you should be very proud of your new mantra. Quality of posts vs quantity.
    If anybody read this thread with the idea of improving their game? They'd shoot themselves in the head.

    HiLo - is the simple choice for the simple minded approach. Nothing wrong with keeping in simple.

    Felt - Don S gave up HiLo for Felt 40 years ago. Never looked back.

    Wong Halves - Covers the BC. Moving the Ace takes care of Don S #1 item in the ill 18.

    There you go. But you idiots (self Professed Pros) keep trying to figure it out, chase your tail, and make as ass of yourselves.

    Is your last name Three?? Serious Player asks

    Bingo! The End
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    The model for Adding AA78mTc side count to High Low almost walks. Here is what this 428 looks like the responses.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGiGBI5Z6Y
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    These guys are making counting way too complicated even to T3's taste!
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    These guys are making counting way too complicated even to T3's taste!
    Use chips to keep the AA78mTc and keep the HL in your head. If for example 6 chips are to the right of your betting stack, then AA78mTc is +6 and if 9 chips are to the left of your betting stack then AA78mTc is -9.

    BJ As quote:

    Moses replies: IF you go back to the beginning of this thread when Jesus was a little boy, he admits using illegal tactics to perform this highly complicated less than average count. HIA syndrome with his head waaay up his ass. Automatic ban and in some casinos it's enough to get yourself hung.

    Seriously, I doubt he could perform this count even in a double deck. 6 decks? No way. The thread is a B movie. Blackjack Nerds Gone Wild. Some guy in a cold basement on the east coast writing this crap while whacking his banana. No?


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    As far as the people that donít like this thread, then just donít open it. Why is that so hard? I donít understand people who open a thread just to complain or post some insult.

    DBS writes:

    Moses replies: You're absolutely correct DBS. This thread should never have seen post #2. Clearly, he should have taken it up privately with Gronbog and he would have avoided a public embarrassment as El Dumbshit. Hmmm. I sorta thought is was YOU.



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    T3 finally met his match in terms of long posts. He is losing his title.
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Dogman writes: Again, please stop.
    Moses replies: So did Norm bump his head or something? Familiarity breeds contempt. You're setting a bad precedent which only is followed by trouble.
    I'm surprised you haven't learned that yet. Close the thread? Problem solved.

    Even Midwest Player is about to shoot himself with a water pistol. Thank goodness it's frozen.

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    You must be a really disgusting person to put personal information about a supposed friend on an open board.

    Bosox writes:

    Be very wary of Mr. Contrary!

    Also, bjanalysts description of their friend "Carla" as "not that bright" infuriates me to no end. Who the fuck calls their friend an idiot in that sense?

    All to sell a fucking book containing an idea that has been demonstrated to be worthless!

    What a joke!

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    Seriously Norm, where is your head? Not only should this thread be closed. But completely destroyed. Whatever it is your are trying to accomplish with this thread, you are failing. Unless of course, you goal is to be the #1 dipshit moderator on earth.
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    Default Halves versus Hi Opt 2 challengers

    Good job Freighter.

    Norm...Now you have a quality post on a legit subject.

    Here was a list of comparison counts in Norm's book.

    https://www.qfit.com/book/SuperSCORE.htm

    Wong Halves easily outperformed Hi Opt II w/ASC in shoes. It was too close to call in Double Deck. However, this didn't include an ASC for Wong Halves.

    Now since Tarzan count was deemed only slightly better than Hi Opt II w /ASC, it appears Freighter is not only king of the jungle but he knows and tells the bear exactly where to shit.

    This will be interesting.
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    Yay, another count debate thread.

    And welcome back, Freightman, I think...

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    Moses replies: Relax Francis. This one will put an end to them all. It's common sense. Not non sense.

    Did you really think his retirement would last more than a week? I was betting on three days so he resisted from posting longer than I thought.
    DBS writes:

    Relax Francis II. You're in over your head in this thread of logic and common sense. Most blackjack forums would welcome Freighters words of wisdom...and his jokes.
    But you'll still be knee deep in shit at BJTF.



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    This is uncalled for. A forum is about throwing ideas, experiences, and knowledge out there and having an honest critique of it by your peers. This guy has gotten his balls broken badly enough with brutal honesty without the ol' "Get the fuck out!" getting tossed in there. His only crime is to have misrepresented the performance of what he does and speculate that it performs better than it actually does (over and over and over again). The gains he speculated on his enhancements are less than what he thought they'd be is all.

    Tarzan writes:

    Agree. It is not called for. I informed the OP that this kind of strategy is more work than it's worth and doesn't tend to improve overall results. Which is one of the reasons I had no interest in simulating it. But, we make no progress without experimentation. And, that's one of the purposes of a forum.

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    552 posts? C'mon Man! Since Norm is suddenly so hell bent on controlling attacks, he could easily go back and delete at least 200 posts of attacks and repetition. I wonder how Norm would've replied if it was Bosox who made the statement as opposed to Tarzan. You straddle a fence Norm. Start being proactive and stop the reactive. There is a difference between I know what's happening and what the fuck just happened? You also should limit your threads to 50 posts. They'd be a helluva lot more interesting. Rarely does anything good come after post 50...and if it does who'd ever find it? In the words of Singer. Wise Up Norm.

    You got another legit post that is 60 posts strong and the OP writer has exited and nothing has been verified except your favoritism. Just RUN THE DAMN SIM for crissake.

    That's 612 posts combined and the ONLY logical conclusions anyone could arrive at is What the Fuck?
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