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    I know one guy that enjoyed UAPC. I think he adopted Tarzan count.

    You guys are good! I was thinking I should start another thread. And you already did it for me. Thank you.

    My mindset is to let the game come to me. If you know what you want the it's worth the wait to get it. In others words, don't bet one hand too soon.

    So 8 tens and 2 Aces have been played. If 22 2-9s have been played, we are going two hands at max because there are 10 A-10s and 10 2-9s still remaining 50%.

    Now at least 19 2-9s must be played. This means the 10s remaining are 38% which is 5% more than the original value (Aces excluded) of 48 cards. There must be at least 4 89s played which is half of the 10s. Hence, we don't want to bet into a weaker count rich in 89s.

    The 2-4s and 5-7s must have least 7 played in each column. This is 1 less played and below the original value of 25%.

    So my mind remembers 8-4-7-7. But I need one more card played un either of the 3 columns.

    Really Blitzer, it's nothing more than when you are "tractor beamin" to get that "dear" in your headlights. lol. You ask very knowledgeable questions. I will post a spreadsheet tomorrow that will help tie it all together.
    Last edited by Moses; September 12th, 2017 at 06:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    I know one guy that enjoyed UAPC. I think he adopted Tarzan count.

    You guys are good! I was thinking I should start another thread. And you already did it for me. Thank you.

    My mindset is to let the game come to me. If you know what you want the it's worth the wait to get it. In others words, don't bet one hand too soon.

    So 8 tens and 2 Aces have been played. If 22 2-9s have been played, we are going two hands at max because there are 10 A-10s and 10 2-9s still remaining 50%.

    Now at least 19 2-9s must be played. This means the 10s remaining are 38% which is 5% more than the original value (Aces excluded) of 48 cards. There must be at least 4 89s played which is half of the 10s. Hence, we don't want to bet into a weaker count rich in 89s.

    The 2-4s and 5-7s must have least 7 played in each column. This is 1 less played and below the original value of 25%.

    So my mind remembers 8-4-7-7. But I need one more card played un either of the 3 columns.

    Really Blitzer, it's nothing more than when you are "tractor beamin" to get that "dear" in your headlights. lol. You ask very knowledgeable questions. I will post a spreadsheet tomorrow that will help tie it all together.
    I'll take a look at the spreadsheet if you put it up. I can tell you that I'm not going to adopt the Tarzan count. If he ever gets his book done maybe I'll read it to see if I can get a better understanding of it. I tried to get a working grasp of it when Tarzan explained it to me. If I was sitting across the table from him where he could walk and talk someone through what he's thinking in his mind and how he goes about categorizing the cards in his head as they are played and dealt it would help immensely, or I would just have to practice a lot.

    I could only partially use his strategy to accomplish the feat he does in his video although I was slow at it, I realized that if I couldn't do it 100% his way then it was not worth pursuing. I slightly changed his strategy to fit my needs to do what he did in his video and I was able to make it work. Your way and his way of playing blackjack are vastly different from what would be considered mainstream, no doubt about that. There was only one thing that I really learned from Tarzan that I incorporated into my everyday blackjack musings.

    In his book Million Dollar Blackjack, Uston described being able to guess the cards held out of deck with UAPC. Depending on what cards they are quite a few can be predicted with high accuracy according to tag value. If you happened to hold out 6 cards out of a deck and they happened to be 4 Aces and 2 10's the RC would be at +6, in which a counter could easily predict the unknown cards since it is a balanced count & ace neutral/side counted.

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    Blitzer. You are definately a top notch student of the game. If I remember correctly, in UAPC you count the Ace and/or 9 as -.5? I remember running sims for single deck. It was at the top of conventional counts.

    I will post the spreadsheet tomorrow. There are still some things I continue to labor over that I cannot sim. Always appreciate viable input.

    Meeting Tarzan someday is definately on my bucket list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Blitzer. You are definately a top notch student of the game. If I remember correctly, in UAPC you count the Ace and/or 9 as -.5? I remember running sims for single deck. It was at the top of conventional counts.

    I will post the spreadsheet tomorrow. There are still some things I continue to labor over that I cannot sim. Always appreciate viable input.

    Meeting Tarzan someday is definately on my bucket list.
    Thanks Moses, I still have a lot to learn about the game. With UAPC... 9 is -1 tag value, Aces are side counted.

    Out of all the people at BJTF he seems like he would be the coolest one to hang out with, for sure.
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    Sorry Blitzer. I tried to post the spreadsheet but it did not paste the same. If anyone is interested, I will have to revise the spreadsheet in order to post it in a clearer format. It will take some work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Sorry Blitzer. I tried to post the spreadsheet but it did not paste the same. If anyone is interested, I will have to revise the spreadsheet in order to post it in a clearer format. It will take some work.
    That's cool Moses.

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    Default Betting Strategy and Insurance

    Betting Strategy:

    The first row represents the original value of the 48 cards. Aces are not included yet.

    The following rows represent the betting and insurance strategy built around the total number of tens played.

    The Sum column is the total of 2-9s played in order for the 10s to have at least a 5% advantage above it's original value.

    The 89s column must be 1 less than or half of the 10s column.

    The 5-7's and 2-4's column must be less than their original value. The combined effect of removal of the these two columns is a close to equal as possible.

    Bet two hand max as long as minimum columns are not below and at least 2 Aces remain.

    Bet two hand max if 50% A-10s remain and at least 1 Ace remains.

    The Insurance chart indicates exact figures for 33% of 10s vs the other remaining cards (including Aces). Note the first column of 10 played x2 plus 4 will always reflect 33%. 40% is 10s played x 1.5 +12. 50% is if 20 more cards are played than 10s.

    See chart below:

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    Default BC and Insurance Chart

    BC 10s Sum 89s 57s 24s 89s 57s 24-s Insurance
    33.33% 0 0 0 0 0 16.7% 25.0% 25.0% 33% 40%
    39.02% 0 7 0 3 3 19.5% 22.0% 22.0% 4 13.5
    38.46% 1 8 0 3 3 20.5% 23.1% 23.1% 6 14.5
    38.89% 2 10 1 4 4 19.4% 22.2% 22.2% 8 15.5
    39.39% 3 12 1 4 4 21.2% 24.2% 24.2% 10 16.5
    38.71% 4 13 2 5 5 19.4% 22.6% 22.6% 12 17.5
    39.29% 5 15 2 5 5 21.4% 25.0% 25.0% 14 18.5
    38.46% 6 16 3 6 6 19.2% 23.1% 23.1% 16 19.5
    39.13% 7 18 3 7 7 21.7% 21.7% 21.7% 18 20.5
    38.10% 8 19 4 7 7 19.0% 23.8% 23.8% 20 21.5
    38.89% 9 21 4 8 8 22.2% 22.2% 22.2% 22 22.5
    10 24 27

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    Default Playing Stretegy

    Playing Strategy:

    The 14-15-16 rows are based on the 8-10s played vs. 2-7s played.

    The percentage charts indicate when to hit 14vs2,3 and 13vs4. Stand on 15,16 vs9 and 14 vs 10,A.

    The 12,13 vs 2,3 and 12vs4 is based on the comparison of A-10s played vs 5-9s.

    Double on 11 is based on the comparison of 8-10s played vs A-7s. If at least 4 or more A-7s are played than 8-10s the you know you have at least a 50% of drawing to 19.

    Double on 10 is based on the comparison of A-8s played vs 2-7s. Except you divide the 89s column by 2. The percentages also indicate doubling vs 10 at 60% and A at 57%.


    A-8s 2-7s 10-8s 27s PE
    60% 0 8 0 6 57%
    60% 1.5 9 2 7.5 57%
    60% 3 10 4 9 57%
    60% 4.5 11 6 10.5 57%
    60% 6 12 8 12 57%
    60% 7.5 13 10 13.5 57%
    60% 9 14 12 15 57%
    60% 10.5 15 14 16.5 57%
    60% 12 16
    60% 13.5 17

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    Default PE Chart

    Hand 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A
    16 S S S S S H H 57 H1 H=
    15 S S S S S H H 60 H= H=
    14 57 57 S S S H H H 60 57
    13 H2 H2 57 S S H H H H H
    12 S4 S3 H2 S S H H H H H
    11 D= D= D D D D= D= D2 D4 D4
    10 H2 H3 D D D H= H= D2 60 57

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    I posted this on both forum. Not surprisingly, the first two posts were negative and from Norm's two goons.

    Hmmm. They don't understand. There is no bell curves, no deck estimates, and it doesn't take a 1200 page book or 3500 posts to explain or a book in the works for two decades. What you see is what you get! What you don't see is what is left!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    BC 10s Sum 89s 57s 24s 89s 57s 24-s Insurance
    33.33% 0 0 0 0 0 16.7% 25.0% 25.0% 33% 40%
    39.02% 0 7 0 3 3 19.5% 22.0% 22.0% 4 13.5
    38.46% 1 8 0 3 3 20.5% 23.1% 23.1% 6 14.5
    38.89% 2 10 1 4 4 19.4% 22.2% 22.2% 8 15.5
    39.39% 3 12 1 4 4 21.2% 24.2% 24.2% 10 16.5
    38.71% 4 13 2 5 5 19.4% 22.6% 22.6% 12 17.5
    39.29% 5 15 2 5 5 21.4% 25.0% 25.0% 14 18.5
    38.46% 6 16 3 6 6 19.2% 23.1% 23.1% 16 19.5
    39.13% 7 18 3 7 7 21.7% 21.7% 21.7% 18 20.5
    38.10% 8 19 4 7 7 19.0% 23.8% 23.8% 20 21.5
    38.89% 9 21 4 8 8 22.2% 22.2% 22.2% 22 22.5
    10 24 27
    Thanks for posting your information Moses. I've looked at what you've posted and am trying to understand it.

    "The first row represents the original value of the 48 cards. Aces are not included yet." For the BC or the 10's I did.... 16 tensX100/48 cards to get 33.33%, why did you put this value as the BC?

    For the 8-9's I did.... 8X100/48 to get 16.67%

    For the 5-7's and 2-4's I did 12X100/48 to get your 25% values for those 2 groupings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Hand 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A
    16 S S S S S H H 57 H1 H=
    15 S S S S S H H 60 H= H=
    14 57 57 S S S H H H 60 57
    13 H2 H2 57 S S H H H H H
    12 S4 S3 H2 S S H H H H H
    11 D= D= D D D D= D= D2 D4 D4
    10 H2 H3 D D D H= H= D2 60 57
    Explain this chart when you have a 14 vs. a dealer upcard 2.... Why did you type 5-7 here? Does it mean if you have an excess of 5-7's in the deck you hit in such a case if you know there is an excess of 5-7's remaining?

    What about 12 vs. dealer upcard 2? What does S4 mean?

    Having a legend on what the symbols mean in the highlighted/colored boxes in this chart would make it a bit easier to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    I posted this on both forum. Not surprisingly, the first two posts were negative and from Norm's two goons.

    Hmmm. They don't understand. There is no bell curves, no deck estimates, and it doesn't take a 1200 page book or 3500 posts to explain or a book in the works for two decades. What you see is what you get! What you don't see is what is left!
    I guess it's in human nature when people don't understand something or someone, they attack or attempt to discredit a person. People have to stick with what works for them. I don't fully understand your methodology either for single deck games and I'm not going to pretend that I do, but with you hear at the ZenZone you can help us to understand.

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    Thanks Blitzer. If a person were to take the time to research they would see the trend of those two boneheads taking turns at attacking me. I defend myself and Norm bans me for posting too much and attacking his boys. Bare in mind, I did nothing for about 4 years. But when Flash ruins my vacation, he got my attention.

    I may be a lot of things from a fucker, fighter, and to wild horse rider. But I'm not a liar. Simply put, it takes too damn much energy to try to remember untruths. So I strive to be a straight up guy.

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