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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Today Norm complained that I have been 'outing' him by using his name "Norm Wattenberger" on several forums.

    How ridiculous! Norm is not a professional AP, like myself or other. He makes his money OFF of AP's. People in the blackjack AP community that run websites and write books are NOT anonymous. They use their real name like Norm Wattenberger, Michael Shackford, Don Schlesinger, or a pen name like Stanford Wong. Saying the name that they are known by is NOT outing them.

    In Norm's case, his full name is prominently posted on his website, his products that he sells and his book. So how am I outing him? If anything, using his name probably increases traffic to his site, which is something I don't wish to do, because he provides a platform for a guy that is a complete fraud and intentionally misleads other players.

    Norm, I know you are reading, so if anything...you should thank me. But in any case, you should just shut the fuck up, because you really are a total blabbering idiot and a dick!
    Norman has to have something or someone to bitch and gripe about.

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    Funniest thing ever at Blackjack the voodoo forum today.

    Member blueman, started a thread asking about tracking two tables. One of the members who is on Norm's shit list, but still participates, responded that there was a recent discussion on this topic at blackjackinfo. Blueman couldn't find it and asked for a link. I knew if this member on Norm's shit list posted the link, that Norm would squash it because that thread being linked to was started by me. So here's the funny part. Norms buddy, Don Sch posted the link.

    And guess what...still took Norm about 2 minutes to remove Don's post. You know Norm the guy that promised to not censor.

    I mean this hypocritical piece of shit, Norm Wattenberger frequently posts how all he has ever wanted to do was help the blackjack community and members. What a bunch of bullshit! And that's not from me. Norm just exposed himself and what a really small person he is....yet again!

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    KJ. FWIW. Perhaps consider starting thread regarding some of your special playing skills. For instance, playing two tables. I mean, heck I get twitchy during the NBA and NHL seasons from handicapping two sports.

    I scout dealers as they can make the judgement regarding pen. But it's all I can do to watch one table for more than 5 minutes without getting stares from the pit. Is there a place to position yourself to see two at the same time?

    Btw, that's becoming a rather lengthy thread. Somebody hit a nerve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Funniest thing ever at Blackjack the voodoo forum today.

    Member blueman, started a thread asking about tracking two tables. One of the members who is on Norm's shit list, but still participates, responded that there was a recent discussion on this topic at blackjackinfo. Blueman couldn't find it and asked for a link. I knew if this member on Norm's shit list posted the link, that Norm would squash it because that thread being linked to was started by me. So here's the funny part. Norms buddy, Don Sch posted the link.

    And guess what...still took Norm about 2 minutes to remove Don's post. You know Norm the guy that promised to not censor.

    I mean this hypocritical piece of shit, Norm Wattenberger frequently posts how all he has ever wanted to do was help the blackjack community and members. What a bunch of bullshit! And that's not from me. Norm just exposed himself and what a really small person he is....yet again!
    Norman really has it out for you KJ. I cannot believe he edited Don's post. That was mean to do. Oh wait, Norm's used to being a mean and grumpy guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    KJ. FWIW. Perhaps consider starting thread regarding some of your special playing skills. For instance, playing two tables.
    I did start a thread on the subject at Blackjackinfo, discussing in more detail that I should have and intended to. In answer to your question the ideal seat is the middle seat (of a 5 chair table) or either of the middle two seats of a 6 seat table. from there you don't have to turn your head or eyes much as the playing surface of the neighboring table is about 1:30 (right) or 10:30 (left). From that position there is only one single seat at each table that can block your view, the seat next to third base if the table is to your right, or the seat next to first bases if the table is to your left. The other seats will not block your view of the playing surface (felt). And sometimes, not always but sometimes, even if that critical seat is occupied, just shifting a couple inches can sometimes still provide an unobstructed view....especially if it is not a large person.

    It's interesting, but Tarzan, just posted some concerns that can make tracking a second table more difficult, obviously crowded conditions and NMSE, which would make the technique moot. Those are issue on the east coast. Here in Vegas, we have few NMSE tables and it was the less crowded conditions here (in Vegas) that lead me to start using this technique to begin with. I did not track multiple tables when I was back east. Tarzan also raised the concern about accuracy and missed cards. Tracking a second table is like back-counting. The count at the second table need not be perfect. Just enough to know that is a superior opportunity than the table you are currently playing.

    https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...-tables.55670/

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    Interesting. There are some things I realize others can do that I will never be able to do. Im curious, this sounds more like a gift than something you learned or practiced over time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Im curious, this sounds more like a gift than something you learned or practiced over time?
    It's not a gift. And it really isn't that difficult, when the conditions are right. Many experienced counters do this to some degree. Don just posted that he has been doing so for 40 years. Another member of BJTF, that you are familiar with does so regularly as well. (He requested that I not use his handle here). There are many more. Why wouldn't you be looking for a better or the next opportunity?

    I can only speak for myself, but this is not something I learned or practiced. I never decided "Hey I am going to try to track multiple tables today". It is just something that evolves, as the opportunity presents itself. At first maybe you can only track a round or two, then you can go longer with the right conditions.

    I actually have tracked both tables on each side, while playing my own table a few times. I can only do so for a round or two, at which point I have to drop one (the worse count of the two) and concentrate on my table and one other.

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    That's quite amazing KJ. I stand and watch two tables when I'm not playing. I'm only counting how many cards each dealer is dealing. Usually to just one player at each table. Give yourself credit KJ. Truly remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Funniest thing ever at Blackjack the voodoo forum today.

    Member blueman, started a thread asking about tracking two tables. One of the members who is on Norm's shit list, but still participates, responded that there was a recent discussion on this topic at blackjackinfo. Blueman couldn't find it and asked for a link. I knew if this member on Norm's shit list posted the link, that Norm would squash it because that thread being linked to was started by me. So here's the funny part. Norms buddy, Don Sch posted the link.

    And guess what...still took Norm about 2 minutes to remove Don's post. You know Norm the guy that promised to not censor.

    I mean this hypocritical piece of shit, Norm Wattenberger frequently posts how all he has ever wanted to do was help the blackjack community and members. What a bunch of bullshit! And that's not from me. Norm just exposed himself and what a really small person he is....yet again!
    I refuse to allow links to any threads in which a person participates who has spent three long years attempting to destroy my website and the reputations of many APs through hundreds of posts on nine forums riddled and oozing with slander. Sorry, but enough is enough!

    KJ just recently made yet even more false accusations against more members of my Blackjack Forum - I must protect my members. People can post where they wish. But, I will not pay my money to host links to threads including those that have spent years attempting to harm, now, six members of this site, merely because they chose to post at my Blackjack Forum

    Now, you can call me any names you want. I don't and never delete posts insulting me.

    This man KJ has greatly harmed the AP community more than any other person, even more harm than Doug Grant, Zengrifter and Michael Morgenstern combined! And, at some point, I MUST draw a line! After years and years and untold thousands of lies with apparently no end, this must be the time for that line!!

    After all, KJ has twice stated that he will celebrate on the day I die and will continue these posts against both me and Mike Shackleford long after we are dead. KJ has openly admitted that he purposely spreads lies because he enjoys hurting people!

    I, on the other hand, wish no harm to anyone. I wouldn't even wish upon KJ a hangnail, much less death. I don't even understand such an attitude where someone enjoys persecuting another human being.

    My Blackjack Forum is a free site where people can have polite discussions about AP.

    I have been lax in the rules. and henceforth I will be enforcing the rules more exactingly at my Blackjack Forum as this site is not about harming people. Links to Holocaust denial sites (where KJ has participated for years), scam sites, or any threads involving people with years of constant attempts to cause harm to APs will NOT be tolerated! Sorry, no more mister nice-guy!

    And, for those that participate at this horrid Zen-zone, Don and I did NOT know about 9/11 in advance and purposely let thousands of people die!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by QFITman View Post
    I refuse to allow links to any threads in which a person participates who has spent three long years attempting to destroy my website and the reputations of many APs through hundreds of posts on nine forums riddled and oozing with slander. Sorry, but enough is enough!
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    I have been lax in the rules. and henceforth I will be enforcing the rules more exactingly at my Blackjack Forum
    as this site is not about harming people. Links to Holocaust denial sites (where KJ has participated for years), scam sites, or any threads involving people with years of constant attempts to cause harm to APs will NOT be tolerated! Sorry, no more mister nice-guy!
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    Default The Voodoo forum continues to sink to new lows

    Every so often when I have too much free time on my hands, I will read a bit of Norm's Blackjack the voodoo forum. It is truly amazing how this once promising forum sinks to new lows almost daily. I don't say that out of any resentment, unfortunately it is just fact. It's bad enough that Norman's Forum and internet Nazi tactics have eliminated many knowledgeable members that were willing to contribute and share their experiences, leaving the small handful of resident, so called "experts" most who have some sort of agenda of one kind or another.

    The one resident expert, T3, frequently is debunked by Don, to the point that, he slithers off with his tail between his legs, for weeks at a time, only to emerge a few weeks later with the same agenda, spewing the same BS nonsense. While the Flasher is just oblivious to the fact that he is stuck in some sort of time warp, stuck in the 1990's, with all his thoughts and advice, which are almost useless in 2017.

    But of late, the discussions frequently and I mean VERY frequently deteriorate into just nonsense.....gobbily gook, nonsense often not related to blackjack. And often The Forum Nazi is right there in the middle of such discussions.

    And recently you have obvious sock-puppets, who are very likely former members, that hijack and dominate all discussions, and take them even further into voodoo-land. Norm seems oblivious that this is happening, or maybe just powerless to do anything about it.

    I have no love loss for Norm, but it is honestly sad to watch. It honestly is like watching an older relative deteriorate right before your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Every so often when I have too much free time on my hands, I will read a bit of Norm's Blackjack the voodoo forum. It is truly amazing how this once promising forum sinks to new lows almost daily. I don't say that out of any resentment, unfortunately it is just fact. It's bad enough that Norman's Forum and internet Nazi tactics have eliminated many knowledgeable members that were willing to contribute and share their experiences, leaving the small handful of resident, so called "experts" most who have some sort of agenda of one kind or another.

    The one resident expert, T3, frequently is debunked by Don, to the point that, he slithers off with his tail between his legs, for weeks at a time, only to emerge a few weeks later with the same agenda, spewing the same BS nonsense. While the Flasher is just oblivious to the fact that he is stuck in some sort of time warp, stuck in the 1990's, with all his thoughts and advice, which are almost useless in 2017.

    But of late, the discussions frequently and I mean VERY frequently deteriorate into just nonsense.....gobbily gook, nonsense often not related to blackjack. And often The Forum Nazi is right there in the middle of such discussions.

    And recently you have obvious sock-puppets, who are very likely former members, that hijack and dominate all discussions, and take them even further into voodoo-land. Norm seems oblivious that this is happening, or maybe just powerless to do anything about it.

    I have no love loss for Norm, but it is honestly sad to watch. It honestly is like watching an older relative deteriorate right before your eyes.
    Well said KJ. Norm does seem oblivious to what is going on right under his nose but he has not forgotten how to ban people.

    On another note even over at BJTF you can almost sense that many of the posters are boycotting the NFL with the way Sharky's NFL Play o The Weak 2017 thread is so dead.

    As a long time gamer myself going to Norm's was a big turn off as I began to figure it out because of all the forum rules. Norm's attitude is comparable to getting dealt stiff 16's for every hand in blackjack. I just want him to know that I could defeat him and count circles around him while using the RPC counting technique that he uses if I wanted to, a counting technique that he's been using for a LONG time. He's been using RPC for probably 30 years or so, I could out count him with RPC in 2 days! He would NEVER be as fast and accurate as me with RPC, guaranteed.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; October 8th, 2017 at 11:15 AM.

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    Default More funny shit at the voodoo forum

    After Don's most recent debunking, T3 did the usual disappearing act, slithering away with his tail between his legs. But this time he has used that time off to delete thousands of posts!

    Moses responded that he too has deleted some 3500 of his posts. What is that about Moses?

    If only Flasher would delete some of his posts, the forum might actually be useful.

    Funny, funny shit at the voodoo forum!

    Good job, Normy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    After Don's most recent debunking, T3 did the usual disappearing act, slithering away with his tail between his legs. But this time he has used that time off to delete thousands of posts! Moses responded that he too has deleted some 3500 of his posts. What is that about Moses? If only Flasher would delete some of his posts, the forum might actually be useful. Funny, funny shit at the voodoo forum! Good job, Normy!
    No way. T3 didn't. I'll take your word for it but in doing so it would mean that many, many threads are now ruined over at BJTF. That's a lot of patch work for Norm and far more trouble & grief than we ever gave him. I'm sure he'll be upset but I would have to figure that Norm has back up files of the forum, I would have to think he does anyways. Norm needs to hold T3's feet to the fire. Keep the posts there and ban T3 for a few days to let'em cool down a bit.

    Now if Moses did the same, that's on him. If you have both T3 and Moses deleting thousands of posts at the same time much of that forum is going to be fragmented and broken so to say, not all threads but many.

    Now Norman has to go on the defensive and conduct damage control. The headaches must never end for Norm having to police and protect the forum from Vandalism.
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