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    Default ZenGrifter talks with Michael

    It seems as if the trouble maker known as Morgenstern has been released from prison and is back up to his old antics. While no surprise it's too bad that the state didn't keep him longer. He deserves years of hard labor in a Fema camp in my book. In one of his videos since his release he mentions that the cops beat his ass while he was locked up. I'm glad Mickey got smacked up in jail.

    I couldn't help but notice that ZenGrifter called Michael since his release to chit-chat about some Blackjack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwy_MLda5yE

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    Default More Morgenstern BS

    You're right M&M, your hand shuffle was fucking horrible! How pathetic! Do you think these casino dealers deal like you do? I should infiltrate your Army and destroy your Army/team from within. You can't last in a goddamn casino because casino security keeps throwing your sorry ass out of the fucking casino! Keep wearing your BJ gear up in the casino thinking you own the motherfucker.

    You're lucky these casinos don't have a real asshole running their security departments because if the right person ever caught up with you, you wouldn't just get trespassed and kicked off the property so easily. You would be dragged to the backroom and interrogated, cohorts as well. I'd bet that your teammates would be in tears if such a thing ever happened to them, crying their little eyes out in the backroom. Especially that little girl that's jumped on the bandwagon that you've managed to twist her mind. Idiot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    You're right M&M, your hand shuffle was fucking horrible! How pathetic! Do you think these casino dealers deal like you do? I should infiltrate your Army and destroy your Army/team from within. You can't last in a goddamn casino because casino security keeps throwing your sorry ass out of the fucking casino! Keep wearing your BJ gear up in the casino thinking you own the motherfucker.

    You're lucky these casinos don't have a real asshole running their security departments because if the right person ever caught up with you, you wouldn't just get trespassed and kicked off the property so easily. You would be dragged to the backroom and interrogated, cohorts as well. I'd bet that your teammates would be in tears if such a thing ever happened to them, crying their little eyes out in the backroom. Especially that little girl that's jumped on the bandwagon that you've managed to twist her mind. Idiot!

    This guy is literally the best thing that could happen to legitimate card counters and the casino industry's blackjack profits. MM's "army" will know just enough to do real harm to themselves and of the few that might learn enough to play the slightest 'winning' game, the vast majority will be 'fatally' underfunded. The casino industry will make a killing just as they did after the MIT team books and movie came out and before that, just as they did 50 years ago when Beat the Dealer came out.

    Norm's friend Morgenstern, is not a serious card counter/blackjack player. He is a shyster/salesman type. He has learned just enough to do some marketing. Any money he is making is coming from his marketing of very basic concepts, NOT from blackjack play. And based on the fact that he was unable to come up with a very modest amount of bail money and instead sat in jail for months, I can only conclude, his marketing campaign isn't even pulling in very much money.

    But again, this kind of thing is actually good for any legitimate BJ players.....so go Michael Morgenstern! (thinking back....us legitimate professional card counters should have bailed him out of jail........ that's how valuable MM and his army is to us)
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    I believe you missed my point Blitz. When Beat the Dealer came out in the 60's, the casino industry freaked. They changed rules, and became super sweaty (so I hear) fearing the worst. Within a few years it became more than obvious that they had nothing to fear. All those card counters that read the book and emereged on Las Vegas, were not only no threat, but BJ revenues skyrocketed because these players were underfunded and knew just enough to do themselves harm.

    An almost identical scenario played out after the two popular books of the MIT team were published in the late 90's/2000 and particilarly after the movie "21" hit theaters. Blackjack revenues increased, as underfunded counters, most with barely enough knowledge to play a break even game, hit the casinos.

    The same thing would occur with this "blackjack army". These people underfunded, with just a little bit of knowledge, most lacking discipline necessary, would be fantastic for the casinos bottom line.

    I suspect at least some in the industry, particularly, the database organizations are aware of this character and his so called "army". They monitor AP websites and social media, just for this purpose. But rather than be alarmed, they should welcome these goofballs with open arms. They should roll out the red carpet.

    As per your comment about "luring someone back with comps after barring them from the property"....according to AP specialist attorney Bob Nersesian, a mail offer inviting a player to the property, negates a previous baring or banning (whether they meant to or not). Now of course, being that one department in the casino (marketing/promotions) is so disconnected from security, you probably would still be arrested and have to actually go to court (and incur expenses) to have it thrown out.

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    Default Hey it's ENTERTAINMENT!!

    Blitz, I'm with KJ on this one. Bring him on. Not bar him. Watching his videos are very comical and in somewhat "white trash" fashion entertaining. I enjoy seeing the "secret glasses" casino footage........not many show live casino views. And agree with KJ.......the more people that come in to the casinos after thinking that his tutelage is enough for them to win, the more power to them. They shouldn't bar him; they should welcome him (and the army) with open arms! How many people bet spread 50x+ after just two hands dealt from a six deck shoe? That choice will deplete your bankroll pretty quickly I'm sure.

    It's not that I don't think he can count cards (as to the actual high low version for running count); it's just that he is NOT a card counter in the true sense that will make the money (other than luck) as he does not vary in line with the actual count (though he says he does while his videos prove otherwise) nor will he do playing deviations (which he calls BS); nor does he spread in a reasonable manner. Though he does mention that you need to vary your bet from table minimum to doubling your "unit" at +4 to half the table maximum on two hands at least at +8. (Talks about true count but then after an example hand of 4 or 5 additional "high"/face cards on the very next hand, says the count dropped to +3....so he is mixing true count with running count).

    Maybe it is just marketing; to make money off his products. But he isn't doing that well if he is sold out many times and you see the complaints from folks on receiving their orders in a timely manner, in various comment sections.

    Honestly, I find this guy very entertaining in a "car wreck" watching sort of way................And I truly hope his "army" brings more ploppies or civilians TO the tables given the decrease in BJ players over the last few years.

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    Default At least he acknowledges his "betters" as in ZenGrifter on his channel

    At least he allowed Zen to express some good information on the phone call and he acknowledges that others are "better" than he when it comes to BJ.

    I still think this is pure entertainment value............like I said........watching a train wreck. But then he is starting to ask for more money to be a member to his channel now; separating pay views for live chat's. Got rid of his forum for really, no reason. Maybe the wreck is coming sooner?

    I just wish he would at least send his stuff out from his store to whomever ordered it. Seems like many are waiting...........and waiting..............and waiting..............despite his pronouncements of setting up a "distribution center/company" to handle his orders finally.

    I have NOT seen or watched his DVD. Nor would I personally pay $69 for it. But at least the BJ Science cards and the BS card are legitimate........whether they are priced right or not. Everyone is entitled to a profit on something they sell that is legitimate. But he seems to be out of most of everything else.............except his new membership. Exactly what that entails is NOT clear. And from watching his followers and viewing some of the comments, I would say that there is a "certain" clientele that he attracts.

    Like I said, if they/the Army wants to go into the casinos and try to bring them down, more power to them. I would think that they/the Casinos would welcome the BJ Army soldiers with open arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I could train a junior high school kid to beat the hell out of Morgenstern within a week at Blackjack, guaranteed.
    You shouldn't let MM bring up so much emotion in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I could train a junior high school kid to beat the hell out of Morgenstern within a week at Blackjack, guaranteed.
    If you want to watch a trainwreck happen in ref to Morgenstern, take a look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uMWgW3Y52I&t=251s

    And also this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiZ...h7q8iKLRy-Ix8w

    This guy, with a pseudonym that will make Blitz laugh.........also really known as Kevin Davis REALLY has a "hardon" for Morgenstern to bring him down. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by elimagico View Post
    You shouldn't let MM bring up so much emotion in you.
    I don't anymore. Morgenstern is history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    If you want to watch a trainwreck happen in ref to Morgenstern, take a look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uMWgW3Y52I&t=251s

    And also this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiZ...h7q8iKLRy-Ix8w

    This guy, with a pseudonym that will make Blitz laugh.........also really known as Kevin Davis REALLY has a "hardon" for Morgenstern to bring him down. LOL
    That was funny. I never would have guessed people were out there making videos spoofing M&M. Morgenstern is his own worst enemy.

    This Kevin Davis guy wants to know to much personal information regarding material bullshit Morgenstern had, or may have had in his possession in one of the videos. All anyone has to do is check out the video of Morgenstern counting cards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUigbiiMHWA Enough said. If I had the both of them in the same room with two decks of cards and told'em to go at it, I would more than likely end up laughing at both of them.

    I've already called in to Mike and cussed him out via phone call. I haven't been watching any of his videos lately to get a good laugh. I don't watch the full length of his videos, don't have the time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVigwtdJBqg This is a good one attacking M&M.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; September 6th, 2017 at 04:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    That was funny. I never would have guessed people were out there making videos spoofing M&M. Morgenstern is his own worst enemy.
    I've already called in to Mike and cussed him out via phone call. I haven't been watching any of his videos lately to get a good laugh. I don't watch the full length of his videos, don't have the time.
    Blitz, if you have the link to the one you called in to him, would like to see the link and laugh............ASSUMING he kept it up and posted. He is starting to not post or keep all of his posts at moment. I don't know how he honestly has time to post YouTube Videos as much as he does and STILL play as much BJ as he claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    Blitz, if you have the link to the one you called in to him, would like to see the link and laugh............ASSUMING he kept it up and posted. He is starting to not post or keep all of his posts at moment. I don't know how he honestly has time to post YouTube Videos as much as he does and STILL play as much BJ as he claims.
    Oh it's probably still up but which video it is, doesn't matter. I've already said whatever I had to say to M&M.

    He knows the haters are out there and he has to do whatever he has to do to keep himself propped up as a salesman of blackjack products and accessories. If he isn't posting or making any more videos maybe all the heat he's been taking from a community of players is starting to get to him. Either way, I'm not buying! I don't care how much blackjack he plays, it's fairly evident from his videos that he's full of it.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; September 8th, 2017 at 01:52 AM.

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    Default Hindered Shuffle Tracking Tutorial by Morgenstern

    It seems like the heat is getting to Morgenstern. When he gives credence to the haters with a sense of concern at the beginning and end of the video, you know it's getting to him. Haha.

    This recent video is absolutely horrible! Drawing pictures on the cards. What an idiot! What a way to fuck up a decent deck, but of course it's Morgenstern here. Nobody is going to be buying his shit!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsgSCZBx_G0

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    Default QFIT/Norman jumpin in on the 2+2 thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I just found this article today but it has to do with his most arrest back in April of 2017 and his scamming of the Blackjack community as a whole. The article details on what happened and other 3rd party responses revolving around the charlatan that is Michael Morgenstern... Blackjack Prima Donna. Here you will see just what kind of piece of shit Morgenstern really is and what we knew to be true in our hearts. You guys make the call!http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...tails-1662464/ https://youtu.be/bohVV_KlSHw
    Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details) freestreetcommando says,"Morgenstern ain't all bad. He exposed this cheating blackjack dealer at Betonline:"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-OssVlvgc04

    4-13-2017 Here goes Norm's response in relation to freestreetcommando's response... "It is unlikely that this was cheating. It looked for more like sloppy dealing."

    Hmmm

    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...64/index2.html
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; September 23rd, 2017 at 03:39 PM.

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    Default KewlJ meets Norman on 2+2



    Re: "Blackjack Professional" Michael Morgenstern Is Scam, Arrested (Details)

    Originally Posted by QFIT
    And, if you believe that I have been bullying people, you have been listening to the wrong folks. I have bullied no one.

    norm



    KelwJ responsds....
    Your "don't believe what you hear" reply doesn't work. It isn't a case of "listening to the wrong folks". People have personally witnessed your bullying actions on numerous sites. Don't try to tell them they didn't see what they saw.



    Originally Posted by kewlj
    Your "don't believe what you hear" reply doesn't work. It isn't a case of "listening to the wrong folks". People have personally witnessed your bullying actions on numerous sites. Don't try to tell them they didn't see what they saw.

    Norman responds...

    You have stated (hundreds of times on numerous forums) that I have tried have you banned on several sites. This is 100% false. It never happened. It is you that go from site to site to site making false accusations against multiple people including vile, fabricated characterizations. I guess you now add this site, once again hijacking a thread to spread your hate. Your actions are what got you banned at three sites. It is time you took responsibility for your own actions and stopped blaming others.

    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...64/index3.html
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; September 23rd, 2017 at 03:54 PM.

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