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    Default ZenGrifter talks with Michael

    It seems as if the trouble maker known as Morgenstern has been released from prison and is back up to his old antics. While no surprise it's too bad that the state didn't keep him longer. He deserves years of hard labor in a Fema camp in my book. In one of his videos since his release he mentions that the cops beat his ass while he was locked up. I'm glad Mickey got smacked up in jail.

    I couldn't help but notice that ZenGrifter called Michael since his release to chit-chat about some Blackjack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwy_MLda5yE

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    Default More Morgenstern BS

    You're right M&M, your hand shuffle was fucking horrible! How pathetic! Do you think these casino dealers deal like you do? I should infiltrate your Army and destroy your Army/team from within. You can't last in a goddamn casino because casino security keeps throwing your sorry ass out of the fucking casino! Keep wearing your BJ gear up in the casino thinking you own the motherfucker.

    You're lucky these casinos don't have a real asshole running their security departments because if the right person ever caught up with you, you wouldn't just get trespassed and kicked off the property so easily. You would be dragged to the backroom and interrogated, cohorts as well. I'd bet that your teammates would be in tears if such a thing ever happened to them, crying their little eyes out in the backroom. Especially that little girl that's jumped on the bandwagon that you've managed to twist her mind. Idiot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    You're right M&M, your hand shuffle was fucking horrible! How pathetic! Do you think these casino dealers deal like you do? I should infiltrate your Army and destroy your Army/team from within. You can't last in a goddamn casino because casino security keeps throwing your sorry ass out of the fucking casino! Keep wearing your BJ gear up in the casino thinking you own the motherfucker.

    You're lucky these casinos don't have a real asshole running their security departments because if the right person ever caught up with you, you wouldn't just get trespassed and kicked off the property so easily. You would be dragged to the backroom and interrogated, cohorts as well. I'd bet that your teammates would be in tears if such a thing ever happened to them, crying their little eyes out in the backroom. Especially that little girl that's jumped on the bandwagon that you've managed to twist her mind. Idiot!

    This guy is literally the best thing that could happen to legitimate card counters and the casino industry's blackjack profits. MM's "army" will know just enough to do real harm to themselves and of the few that might learn enough to play the slightest 'winning' game, the vast majority will be 'fatally' underfunded. The casino industry will make a killing just as they did after the MIT team books and movie came out and before that, just as they did 50 years ago when Beat the Dealer came out.

    Norm's friend Morgenstern, is not a serious card counter/blackjack player. He is a shyster/salesman type. He has learned just enough to do some marketing. Any money he is making is coming from his marketing of very basic concepts, NOT from blackjack play. And based on the fact that he was unable to come up with a very modest amount of bail money and instead sat in jail for months, I can only conclude, his marketing campaign isn't even pulling in very much money.

    But again, this kind of thing is actually good for any legitimate BJ players.....so go Michael Morgenstern! (thinking back....us legitimate professional card counters should have bailed him out of jail........ that's how valuable MM and his army is to us)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    This guy is literally the best thing that could happen to legitimate card counters and the casino industry's blackjack profits. MM's "army" will know just enough to do real harm to themselves and of the few that might learn enough to play the slightest 'winning' game, the vast majority will be 'fatally' underfunded. The casino industry will make a killing just as they did after the MIT team books and movie came out and before that, just as they did 50 years ago when Beat the Dealer came out.

    Norm's friend Morgenstern, is not a serious card counter/blackjack player. He is a shyster/salesman type. He has learned just enough to do some marketing. Any money he is making is coming from his marketing of very basic concepts, NOT from blackjack play. And based on the fact that he was unable to come up with a very modest amount of bail money and instead sat in jail for months, I can only conclude, his marketing campaign isn't even pulling in very much money.

    But again, this kind of thing is actually good for any legitimate BJ players.....so go Michael Morgenstern! (thinking back....us legitimate professional card counters should have bailed him out of jail........ that's how valuable MM and his army is to us)
    Indeed he is a snake oil salesman. He is a phony, a sham, a charlatan. His angle is all about the garbage he sales to his tiny band of lunatics.

    You may be giving him to much credit KJ. This M&M turd should not be mentioned in reference to the MIT team. His influence within the Blackjack community is nil and he knows it. M&M does not have any kind of influence on the casino industry with his stupid videos and BJ paraphernalia that he is selling. He's tiny KJ. This punk cannot move the numbers of the casino industry, nor will his crappy training videos.

    That was a good assessment on him not being able to make bail money and sitting in jail for months. I agree whole heartedly.

    The casino industry and the cowards that they are should make an example out of M&M. Casinos in the mid south region should put a BOLO on this fool and whenever he shows up on property they need to teach him a lesson he will not forget. M&M deserves to be harassed and harangued in the backroom of some casino. Believe me if I were in charge of a casinos security and some idiot like M&M showed up I would have a hard-on, ready to deal with him. I would have no problem having casino goons remove his ass off of the casino floor and into a backroom somewhere. It's just a game. I would strip him out of his little BJ Army hoodie and hat and would dress this fool in a casino property shirt and hat, smack him up a bit, and eject his ass off property as just another owned casino whore sporting the apparel of a particular property as a souvenir.

    On another note some of these casinos that have kicked him off property should invite him back by sending him a comp offer he cannot refuse as bait. They should bait him to come back just so they can fuck with him whenever he comes back.
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    I believe you missed my point Blitz. When Beat the Dealer came out in the 60's, the casino industry freaked. They changed rules, and became super sweaty (so I hear) fearing the worst. Within a few years it became more than obvious that they had nothing to fear. All those card counters that read the book and emereged on Las Vegas, were not only no threat, but BJ revenues skyrocketed because these players were underfunded and knew just enough to do themselves harm.

    An almost identical scenario played out after the two popular books of the MIT team were published in the late 90's/2000 and particilarly after the movie "21" hit theaters. Blackjack revenues increased, as underfunded counters, most with barely enough knowledge to play a break even game, hit the casinos.

    The same thing would occur with this "blackjack army". These people underfunded, with just a little bit of knowledge, most lacking discipline necessary, would be fantastic for the casinos bottom line.

    I suspect at least some in the industry, particularly, the database organizations are aware of this character and his so called "army". They monitor AP websites and social media, just for this purpose. But rather than be alarmed, they should welcome these goofballs with open arms. They should roll out the red carpet.

    As per your comment about "luring someone back with comps after barring them from the property"....according to AP specialist attorney Bob Nersesian, a mail offer inviting a player to the property, negates a previous baring or banning (whether they meant to or not). Now of course, being that one department in the casino (marketing/promotions) is so disconnected from security, you probably would still be arrested and have to actually go to court (and incur expenses) to have it thrown out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post

    The same thing would occur with this "blackjack army". These people underfunded, with just a little bit of knowledge, most lacking discipline necessary, would be fantastic for the casinos bottom line.

    I suspect at least some in the industry, particularly, the database organizations are aware of this character and his so called "army". They monitor AP websites and social media, just for this purpose. But rather than be alarmed, they should welcome these goofballs with open arms. They should roll out the red carpet.

    As per your comment about "luring someone back with comps after barring them from the property"....according to AP specialist attorney Bob Nersesian, a mail offer inviting a player to the property, negates a previous baring or banning (whether they meant to or not). Now of course, being that one department in the casino (marketing/promotions) is so disconnected from security, you probably would still be arrested and have to actually go to court (and incur expenses) to have it thrown out.
    Oh no I'm not missing your point. M&M's little piss ant army doesn't amount to a bucket of spit. His phantom force will never gain the traction nor the following that Beat The Dealer accomplished.

    M&M is nothing in the world of Blackjack. His antics, lame videos, and phony army that he's churning out via the internet won't even be noticed on the industries quarterly reports. The casino industry isn't going to see a bump in business on their blackjack tables anytime soon just because this M&M idiot came out of the woodwork.

    If he has managed to get his dumb ass thrown out of a casino by being a jackass then yes they should bring him back to teach him a lesson and give him a hard barring. The industry should be playing games with him. A good security guy who knows people in the marketing department could tell those people in marketing to bring back a particular customer by giving him a great offer. Bait & trap.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; July 1st, 2017 at 04:00 AM.

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    Default Morgenstern being called out on 2+2 Poker Forum as being a charlatan.

    I just found this article today but it has to do with his most arrest back in April of 2017 and his scamming of the Blackjack community as a whole. The article details on what happened and other 3rd party responses revolving around the charlatan that is Michael Morgenstern... Blackjack Prima Donna. Here you will see just what kind of piece of shit Morgenstern really is and what we knew to be true in our hearts. You guys make the call!

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...tails-1662464/ https://youtu.be/bohVV_KlSHw
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    Default Hey it's ENTERTAINMENT!!

    Blitz, I'm with KJ on this one. Bring him on. Not bar him. Watching his videos are very comical and in somewhat "white trash" fashion entertaining. I enjoy seeing the "secret glasses" casino footage........not many show live casino views. And agree with KJ.......the more people that come in to the casinos after thinking that his tutelage is enough for them to win, the more power to them. They shouldn't bar him; they should welcome him (and the army) with open arms! How many people bet spread 50x+ after just two hands dealt from a six deck shoe? That choice will deplete your bankroll pretty quickly I'm sure.

    It's not that I don't think he can count cards (as to the actual high low version for running count); it's just that he is NOT a card counter in the true sense that will make the money (other than luck) as he does not vary in line with the actual count (though he says he does while his videos prove otherwise) nor will he do playing deviations (which he calls BS); nor does he spread in a reasonable manner. Though he does mention that you need to vary your bet from table minimum to doubling your "unit" at +4 to half the table maximum on two hands at least at +8. (Talks about true count but then after an example hand of 4 or 5 additional "high"/face cards on the very next hand, says the count dropped to +3....so he is mixing true count with running count).

    Maybe it is just marketing; to make money off his products. But he isn't doing that well if he is sold out many times and you see the complaints from folks on receiving their orders in a timely manner, in various comment sections.

    Honestly, I find this guy very entertaining in a "car wreck" watching sort of way................And I truly hope his "army" brings more ploppies or civilians TO the tables given the decrease in BJ players over the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    Blitz, I'm with KJ on this one. Bring him on. Not bar him. Watching his videos are very comical and in somewhat "white trash" fashion entertaining. I enjoy seeing the "secret glasses" casino footage........not many show live casino views. And agree with KJ.......the more people that come in to the casinos after thinking that his tutelage is enough for them to win, the more power to them. They shouldn't bar him; they should welcome him (and the army) with open arms! How many people bet spread 50x+ after just two hands dealt from a six deck shoe? That choice will deplete your bankroll pretty quickly I'm sure.

    It's not that I don't think he can count cards (as to the actual high low version for running count); it's just that he is NOT a card counter in the true sense that will make the money (other than luck) as he does not vary in line with the actual count (though he says he does while his videos prove otherwise) nor will he do playing deviations (which he calls BS); nor does he spread in a reasonable manner. Though he does mention that you need to vary your bet from table minimum to doubling your "unit" at +4 to half the table maximum on two hands at least at +8. (Talks about true count but then after an example hand of 4 or 5 additional "high"/face cards on the very next hand, says the count dropped to +3....so he is mixing true count with running count).

    Maybe it is just marketing; to make money off his products. But he isn't doing that well if he is sold out many times and you see the complaints from folks on receiving their orders in a timely manner, in various comment sections.

    Honestly, I find this guy very entertaining in a "car wreck" watching sort of way................And I truly hope his "army" brings more ploppies or civilians TO the tables given the decrease in BJ players over the last few years.
    It' entertainment only if you think it is. I realize that the only thing Morgenstern is concerned with are his sales. He's simply a salesman but in the meantime he has managed to hoodwink a handful of degenerates out there. That's how he makes his Blackjack money. He doesn't make it thru his game play, it's thru sales volume. The people that are watching his videos and buying his products with the intent on learning won't even make a dent on the casinos bottom lines, they won't even be noticed MJOK. He has no army. As a player yourself you should not want to see more idiots on the Blackjack tables possibly being churned out by this degenerate. As far as those "secret glasses" are concerned, he has to do it to make himself look legit but the viewers at home are not seeing the whole picture. Don't allow yourself to be tricked by this inside casino footage. It's all bullshit!

    Now I will tell you what I think would be funny... If M&M was beating the daylights out of various blackjack authors in sales volume.

    I do not agree with KJ. Bring who on? What army?
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    It is amazing to me that to anyone who has a SLIGHT understanding of CCing could easily see by watching his videos that he does a poor job and yet they continue to follow. His website blew up and an ex member of his was posting his text messages on some board. This reminds me very much of Peter Popoff. Was exposed by James Randi.. publicly... on the Carson show I believe. Disappears for 5 years.. and then starts the same bull shit and wouldn't you know selling out stadium at his "faith healing" seminars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjpcBL98qWA


    I myself am a "failed counter" I can keep the running count, calculate true count, bet according to TC and play bs with the IL18 ad FAB 4 problem is I can't do it consistently keep failing my "check out" 6 errors in 3 shoes on average... I think 4 errors was my best.. So I what I am saying is I am not a AP player but I know enough to call bull shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphy View Post
    It is amazing to me that to anyone who has a SLIGHT understanding of CCing could easily see by watching his videos that he does a poor job and yet they continue to follow. His website blew up and an ex member of his was posting his text messages on some board. This reminds me very much of Peter Popoff. Was exposed by James Randi.. publicly... on the Carson show I believe. Disappears for 5 years.. and then starts the same bull shit and wouldn't you know selling out stadium at his "faith healing" seminars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjpcBL98qWA


    I myself am a "failed counter" I can keep the running count, calculate true count, bet according to TC and play bs with the IL18 ad FAB 4 problem is I can't do it consistently keep failing my "check out" 6 errors in 3 shoes on average... I think 4 errors was my best.. So I what I am saying is I am not a AP player but I know enough to call bull shit.
    Your right, he does do a poor job. The degenerates who want to follow him can follow him down the spiral. He is nothing but a salesman worried about sales. He was exposed on 2+2 Forum for being a snake and of course right here on the ZenZone by yours truly. There are a lot of gullible people out there looking for an out in life and they found a down and out in M&M.

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    Default At least he acknowledges his "betters" as in ZenGrifter on his channel

    At least he allowed Zen to express some good information on the phone call and he acknowledges that others are "better" than he when it comes to BJ.

    I still think this is pure entertainment value............like I said........watching a train wreck. But then he is starting to ask for more money to be a member to his channel now; separating pay views for live chat's. Got rid of his forum for really, no reason. Maybe the wreck is coming sooner?

    I just wish he would at least send his stuff out from his store to whomever ordered it. Seems like many are waiting...........and waiting..............and waiting..............despite his pronouncements of setting up a "distribution center/company" to handle his orders finally.

    I have NOT seen or watched his DVD. Nor would I personally pay $69 for it. But at least the BJ Science cards and the BS card are legitimate........whether they are priced right or not. Everyone is entitled to a profit on something they sell that is legitimate. But he seems to be out of most of everything else.............except his new membership. Exactly what that entails is NOT clear. And from watching his followers and viewing some of the comments, I would say that there is a "certain" clientele that he attracts.

    Like I said, if they/the Army wants to go into the casinos and try to bring them down, more power to them. I would think that they/the Casinos would welcome the BJ Army soldiers with open arms.

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    I could train a junior high school kid to beat the hell out of Morgenstern within a week at Blackjack, guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I could train a junior high school kid to beat the hell out of Morgenstern within a week at Blackjack, guaranteed.
    You shouldn't let MM bring up so much emotion in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I could train a junior high school kid to beat the hell out of Morgenstern within a week at Blackjack, guaranteed.
    If you want to watch a trainwreck happen in ref to Morgenstern, take a look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uMWgW3Y52I&t=251s

    And also this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiZ...h7q8iKLRy-Ix8w

    This guy, with a pseudonym that will make Blitz laugh.........also really known as Kevin Davis REALLY has a "hardon" for Morgenstern to bring him down. LOL

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