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    Default Morgenstern spanks Wattenberger (starting to make sense)

    By coincidence, today being one of those days that I have too much free time and got caught up on some of the sites that I occasionally read, I was alerted to a current feud that Qfit (Norm Wattenberger) is engaged with....I don't know....I guess an online blackjack personality via youtube....Michel Morgenstern. Ironically I came across this feud by reading Norm's own site.

    Now let me say up front that I don't know Michael Morgenstern, although I have seen a couple of his youtube videos where he claims to make pretty large sums of money as a blackjack card counter. I haven't looked into his claims, and in no way am vouching for him. As a matter of fact, my initial thoughts were very skeptical of most of what he claimed on different video, some of which he just happened to have upwards of $120K in bills stacked in front of him....(yeah that kind of thing). So although I didn't bother to look into the specifics, my first impression was some kind of marketing ploy type thing.

    So here's how this story becomes relatable. At some point in recent days, Michael Morgenstern joined and posted at Norm's voodoo site and to no surprise was not received very well. Had I been a member of the site at that time, I probably would have joined those members in their skepticism.

    So after that unwelcome appearance at Norm's voodoo site, I guess Michael Morgenstern had some negative things to say about Norm and Norm's site and boom....a feud was born. It's always an identical M.O. with Norm....anyone who has a negative opinion or thought about Norm or his site or in my case....one of his members, comes under attack by Norm. He tries to eliminate any negative opinion or thoughts that bear his name or site/products name (Qfit). I guess it's a protecting the brand thing. Say anything negative of his brand, which might effect software sales and you are under attack.

    I have thought about this before, but this youtube video that I have linked below kind of really shines a light on just what Norm is and is about. At about the 3:20 point of the video, this Michael Morgenstern, on what Norm is REALLY about, when he shows Norm's website with all of his marketing software products, books, videos ranging from $85 to hundreds of dollars for the complete software products. Michael Morgenstern even points out the monthly fee that Norm charges for a membership to his site.

    When you really stop and look at all that merchandising, you realize Norm Wattenberger (Qfit) isn't this great guy trying to give back to the blackjack community as he claims. It is all about business....all about merchandising....making a buck off the community that he tells you he cares about so much. And THAT explains his actions. All the feuds. All the attacks of anyone with any kind of negative thought of him or his products. The banning of anyone who has any kind of opinion that might effect sales. The trolling of those, like myself to other sites and using whatever tactics necessary to get other site administrators to silence them. All the threats of so many people with lawsuits and complaints filed. It all makes sense now. I actually feel a little foolish for not understanding what this was all about.

    Honestly, I have been perplexed as to why I was run out of the Blackjack AP community, by this guy, to the point of trolling me to other sites, just because I had an unfavorable opinion of something (or in my case...someone) related to his site. And I was equally perplexed as to why this respected math guy would defend things he KNEW where not true. I guess I am the naďve one. I just never realized it was just about the almighty dollar. But then again, Norm Wattenberger chose a career as a wall street banker.


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    And BTW, a little later in the video at about the 4:55 mark, the dude goes to pictures that he claims are Wattenberger. (the old guy in the US Open sweatshirt). Is this really Wattenberger? anyone know?

    I mean I don't condone the posting of pictures or private information in any way. I think that crosses a line under any circumstances. But I gotta tell ya, the way Norm treats people....he almost deserves that. At the very least I wouldn't feel bad for him. If that is him, he looks like a bitter old dude. I guess that explains some things.

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    Firstly, here is a picture of the real N0rman Wattaburger ... and you thought it was Gandhi, eh? LOL.



    Now this other one was apparently done by his girlfriend at the time, before she tired of his certain nasty lack-of-hygiene habits... done as a sketch in a cafe somewhere in South America on a holiday. Looks nuthin like Gandhi lol.

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    Yeah, Just realized, the dude in the Us Open sweatshirt is someone from this site, or at least the picture is. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    And BTW, a little later in the video at about the 4:55 mark, the dude goes to pictures that he claims are Wattenberger. (the old guy in the US Open sweatshirt). Is this really Wattenberger? anyone know?
    Hard to tell ... that is either Norm or his nemesis Ion Saliu aka Parpaluck.
    Easy to confuse the two LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Hard to tell ... that is either Norm or his nemesis Ion Saliu aka Parpaluck.
    Easy to confuse the two LOL!
    Parpaluck LOL responds on FB: "I posted in Comments and the guy removed my post… obviously. We all do that in the cyber places we own. But I don’t know why he chose my images to represent… Norman Watterburger (a venomously inveterate foe of mine)!
    http://saliu.com/gambling-fights.html

    Another “curiouser” thing: “Blackjack Professional, Michael Morgenstern” is a hardcore criminal. He served more than 7 years in prison for BANK ROBBERY — he admits it in his video! Actually, he considers that a blessing in disguise: He trained as a professional card player for 7 years. Thanks, Uncle Sam!

    Soon after I posted in the Comments section of that video crap, the guy started calling me on the phone… again… and again… Apparently, he is hiding in Florida (8133997336). He’s after me! BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    Here is my comment “Blackjack Professional, Michael Morgenstern” deleted in minutes:

    “Sicko:

    Why da hell you show me in your drug-shit storm? You show Ion Saliu (a.k.a. Parpaluck) in your video-material for psychiatrists. But you fight Norm “Worm” Wattenberger — another thicko-sicko!

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    Wattenberger is just such "stinking" (fitting word or him) liar. Must be a NYC thing. Alternate realities and all. Stinkmeister states that I said the image in the video was him. Where did I say that shit-for-brains? I said, this Michael Morganstern claimed that. I have no idea. I even asked if it was because I have no idea. And if that image is someone that is well known, well I don't know who it is. So if you are going to talk about me get your facts straight you stinky smelly bastard.

    The fact is I don't care what you look like. If I did care and wanted to know, I would just wait outside your building for the smelly guy with a little cloud of dirt and dust that looks like 'pigpen' from Charlie Brown.

    Lie #2 "KJ is still supporting this felon". Where did I say I support this guy? If you read my post (at the start of this thread) and it is pretty clear that you did, tell me where it says I support this person. Was it the line where I said "I don't know this Michael Morgenstern and am in no way vouching for him"? Or was it where I said "I was skeptical of his claims"? Or maybe where I said "his whole thing looked like a marketing ploy"?

    Nowhere did I say I supported this dude, you lying asshole! What I said was it was just another person that you were at odds with as there have been so many in the blackjack AP community over the years.

    You sir are a liar. You are an evil person right through to your core. You are incapable of telling the truth. It is no wonder you have been at odds with so many people in the blackjack AP community through the years. The blackjack community and the world will be a much better place when your ancient old smelly ass drops dead, which thankfully isn't that far away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post


    (To N0rm): "You sir are a liar. You are an evil person right through to your core. You are incapable of telling the truth. It is no wonder you have been at odds with so many people in the blackjack AP community through the years. The blackjack community and the world will be a much better place when your ancient old smelly ass drops dead, which thankfully isn't that far away."

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    Quote from Stinky Norm:

    "KJ today has for the third time in the last couple years posted how much better the world will be when I die. (In much grosser terms than that.) He has posted in multiple forums in the past that he will celebrate when Shackleford and I die among his now over 1,000 posts on six or seven forums spewing his hate.

    Take my advice. Never start a forum.

    On that note: Thread Closed."


    First: yet another lie: I never said that I would celebrate when Shackleford died....Only You, stinky Norm.

    While I am disappointed that Shackleford allowed you to come to his site, a site you hadn't participated on for 5 years for the sole purpose of getting him to silence a regular contributing member that has a negative opinion of you, your site and some fraudulent members that where misleading other members and players with their bullshit claims. I don't have the same view of Shackleford as I do of you. You are an evil nasty person through to the bone. Shackleford is just an insecure man, that allowed you to use and manipulate him.

    Shackleford just allowed himself to be used by you. You are a master manipulator and you used your friendship or the fact that he held you in high regard just to get what you wanted. You used him. You know it. I know it. He knows it. I know that He know it, because people that he is friends with have told me that he has admitted it. He just isn't man enough to publicly say it and rectify it. He is a very insecure person and worries about what people think of him. You took advantage of him, because you use and manipulate people. So just leave Shackleford out of it. "With friends like you......".

    And stop crying like the little bitch/baby you are. "oh he said means things about me". "Never start a forum". That's what you get when you treat people like shit!

    It's funny, I have had discussions about returning to WoV, with Shackleford and people close to Shackleford a couple different times in the last year including very recently. Each time those discussions come to an end because Shackleford wants me to apologize for things said about you on this site. And each time I refuse because I am not sorry for anything I have said about you. You are a dick Norm. You treat people like shit. You use people.

    But there is something funny about this request that I apologize to you. Shackleford's site, has a policy...in writing...that they don't consider anything said by other members on other sites. They don't hold that against anyone. Which is pretty much the way it should be. A site administrator authority extends ONLY to his site. He doesn't have the authority to censor what is said throughout the internet and only an ego-manic bully like you would attempt to do so.

    So I have to ask myself....why would Shackleford go against his own policy of not considering anything said on another site? He went against his own policy when he banned me and he is going against it in negotiations of a return. Why would he do that??? The answer of course is because there is crybaby Norm, crying in his ear "oh he said mean things about me". "Make him apologize". You are such a little bitch. You are a bully and a little bitch. You are pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Quote from Stinky Norm:

    "KJ today has for the third time in the last couple years posted how much better the world will be when I die. (In much grosser terms than that.) He has posted in multiple forums in the past that he will celebrate when Shackleford and I die among his now over 1,000 posts on six or seven forums spewing his hate.

    Take my advice. Never start a forum.

    On that note: Thread Closed."


    First: yet another lie: I never said that I would celebrate when Shackleford died....Only You, stinky Norm.

    While I am disappointed that Shackleford allowed you to come to his site, a site you hadn't participated on for 5 years for the sole purpose of getting him to silence a regular contributing member that has a negative opinion of you, your site and some fraudulent members that where misleading other members and players with their bullshit claims. I don't have the same view of Shackleford as I do of you. You are an evil nasty person through to the bone. Shackleford is just an insecure man, that allowed you to use and manipulate him.

    Shackleford just allowed himself to be used by you. You are a master manipulator and you used your friendship or the fact that he held you in high regard just to get what you wanted. You used him. You know it. I know it. He knows it. I know that He know it, because people that he is friends with have told me that he has admitted it. He just isn't man enough to publicly say it and rectify it. He is a very insecure person and worries about what people think of him. You took advantage of him, because you use and manipulate people. So just leave Shackleford out of it. "With friends like you......".

    And stop crying like the little bitch/baby you are. "oh he said means things about me". "Never start a forum". That's what you get when you treat people like shit!

    It's funny, I have had discussions about returning to WoV, with Shackleford and people close to Shackleford a couple different times in the last year including very recently. Each time those discussions come to an end because Shackleford wants me to apologize for things said about you on this site. And each time I refuse because I am not sorry for anything I have said about you. You are a dick Norm. You treat people like shit. You use people.

    But there is something funny about this request that I apologize to you. Shackleford's site, has a policy...in writing...that they don't consider anything said by other members on other sites. They don't hold that against anyone. Which is pretty much the way it should be. A site administrator authority extends ONLY to his site. He doesn't have the authority to censor what is said throughout the internet and only an ego-manic bully like you would attempt to do so.

    So I have to ask myself....why would Shackleford go against his own policy of not considering anything said on another site? He went against his own policy when he banned me and he is going against it in negotiations of a return. Why would he do that??? The answer of course is because there is crybaby Norm, crying in his ear "oh he said mean things about me". "Make him apologize". You are such a little bitch. You are a bully and a little bitch. You are pathetic.
    Wow! Can someone make this into a movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svengarlicky View Post
    Wow! Can someone make this into a movie?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    So I have to ask myself....why would Shackleford go against his own policy of not considering anything said on another site? He went against his own policy when he banned me and he is going against it in negotiations of a return. Why would he do that???
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    Wow, I guess competition is a sin. For a second KJ, I was thinking the dude in the video was your roommate or something like that. I suppose Norman has made another friend in the online realm with this Michael dude. He even thought that Ion Sailu was Norman?

    He admitted to doing 85 months in prison for bank robbery according to the video and to Norms statement on his site... hmm. He even made a deck of cards out of toilet paper, holy shit! No air-cushion finish I imagine. That's quite a long time to sit & think about the one he didn't get away with. He is an admitted thief who found salvation in prison via cards or blackjack. A lot of people proclaim that they find god in prison, why is that? Was it karma that found him in prison?
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