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    From failed bankrobber to feared card counter, maybe I can get the movie rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    You sir are a liar. You are an evil person right through to your core. You are incapable of telling the truth. It is no wonder you have been at odds with so many people in the blackjack AP community through the years. The blackjack community and the world will be a much better place when your ancient old smelly ass drops dead, which thankfully isn't that far away.
    That seems a bit harsh coming from someone who used to infrequently drop in at Zzone and argue for better relations with the subject loon.
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    You have all committed copyright infringement, interference of trade, slander, defamation, and criminal perjury, facilitated by a shameless convicted criminal and his unpopular website! ZG has spent his entire life conning people and does not care what happens to any of you. He enjoys visiting harm on others. Be advised that I shall hold each and every one of you liable for all costs related to enforcing my rights as described in Article 27 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    That seems a bit harsh coming from someone who used to infrequently drop in at Zzone and argue for better relations with the subject loon.
    Evolution kicked in. Lot of water flowed under the bridge. KJ evolved [but N0rm has not] and reached certain more enlightened conclusions, with the benefit of hindsight. And here on the Zen Zone he can express openly and honestly how he feels... unlike the Watta Burger site.

    The Morganburger dude joins the very long list of N0rm' sinners. More are in the pipeline... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    That seems a bit harsh coming from someone who used to infrequently drop in at Zzone and argue for better relations with the subject loon.
    I see the thread has a new name.

    Yes, I accept your "criticism", ZG. I try really hard to treat people with respect. Even people that I have differences with. I am human and sometimes react hastily when I feel someone has done me wrong. BUT, I will get over it, cool down and try to respectfully discuss and resolve our difference and/or different points of view. I am a big believer in trying to keep avenues of communication open. It takes a lot for me to give up on a person or situation as unresolvable. So, what you are describing was likely me, trying like heck to maintain respect and maturity.

    As I said, it takes a great deal for me to really give up on a situation as unresolvable. And while this is one of those very few situations that I reached that point, quite a while ago, I still find myself hoping to some how find an avenue to discuss and resolve things, even with Norm.

    Little story. Occasionally I reach out to Norm via email with suggestions or comments, hoping like two adult mature people we can begin a dialogue. Last time I reached out via email, Norm responded by filing a complain with yahoo mail. I only know this because he sent me a copy of the complaint. Yahoo mail did not take Norm seriously as most people don't. They never contacted me.

    So today, Norm sent me an email. While he was complaining about some of the comments I made in this thread, his tone wasn't as vile as usual. So I responded. I thought maybe we could open a dialogue. I wasn't mean and didn't call him any names. Just made some points about things that have happened.

    What I received back from Norm was a typical hate filled Norm response telling me:

    "that I was the most dishonest person he has run across in 40 years".

    "that he had NEVER done anything to me".

    'that he doesn't censor opinions".

    "that I am paranoid".

    "that I am mentally ill".

    "that I am insane".

    "that I am sick beyond belief".

    "that my mental instability makes me look like a terrorist".

    He then put his completely dishonest spin on several things like how I am supporting this felon, Michael Morgenstern and of course, played the anti-Semitic, Holocaust denial card, because I have posted on this site.

    Basically the typical Norm stuff. It just makes you feel stupid for thinking there was any hope the guy can be a human being.
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    I don't think KJ will be floggin a dead horse any more... lol.

    N0rm gets out his big guns: ZZ anti-Semitic, holocaust-denial site. Hey N0rm, your Jew is showing. There is a wealth of info right here on the ZZ that proves the Holocaust is a HOLOHOAX. Even the 'pseudo-Jew' Zengrifter pointed out years ago that 6M has been a magical, mythical number for Jews, for a loooooong time, and well before 6M Jews were not gassed. So far the Jews have extorted in excess of $30B from the hapless Germans. Talk about a nice little Shekel earner...

    The other serious issue as I see it is the large gang of criminal Jews in cahoots with American traitors that got clean away with murdering 2996 innocents on 911... and blamed it on the hapless Muslims. No justice, nor freedom, nor hope, nor democracy can meaningfully exist until the real criminals are brought to book and convicted of the Crime of the Millennium.

    Two issues, two brief sentences... and you call it Antisemitism. I call it a Call To Arms to Seek Truth and Justice.

    PS, N0rm, on that terrible 911 day 4000 Jews working at the WTC did not show up for work. The day before, Odigo (Jew world email network service) emailed Jews warning them 911 would be a very good day to stay at home. Did you get the message too?... and like them Jews, do not a thing to warn anybody else... especially the despised Goyim.
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    It will be difficult for KJ to mend a broken heart when he's saying things like he wishes Norm would die. It's no surprise that he got a hate filled response via email when he tried to reach out to Norm.





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    Default Michael Morgenstern deals like a chump, true rookie

    7 min 36 seconds. "Were gonna do it like a casino would!" I would be Mike's worst nightmare on the table. After watching how this dude handles the cards, I would murder this guy in poker or gin rummy, spades, maybe even blackjack. Bring it on Mike! It would be so funny, he wouldn't even realize how he would be losing.

    I almost fell out of my seat watching his shuffle tracking video. I followed where that Ace of Spades went in his weak ass shuffle. https://youtu.be/ujgBrpxw5JY

    For a shuffle tracking video, that was pathetic the way I seen it. If he brought that weak shuffle to my poker game I would make him my bitch! The world has enough Teddy KGB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    It will be difficult for KJ to mend a broken heart when he's saying things like he wishes Norm would die. It's no surprise that he got a hate filled response via email when he tried to reach out to Norm.




    I didn't say "I wished Norm would die" (exactly )

    What I said was the blackjack community and the world would be a better place when his (rumored) smelly, old ass drops dead.

    There is a difference. It is my contention, that Blackjack the voodoo forum is a very big negative to the blackjack community and any newish type players that stumble on to that site.

    The post leader of that site, by about 10,000 posts , is fraudulently misleading players with his crock of shit! Especially the newer players that are easily mislead by his misdirection involving a mountain of cherry-picked and totally irrelevant data. His methodology is outdated. He thinks it is something new and groundbreaking, but it's not. Just a variation of the thought process from 30 years ago, single deck games, when playing efficiency weighed heavier on results. That approach is just much less relevant, almost completely irrelevant with Today's conditions and games. That is the reason that the vast majority of actual professional players do not get bogged down in that methodology. It's just not how you beat Today's games. This guy is more interested in attempting to make a name for himself than anything. He even told us that before he went public with all this misleading, non-sensical crap.

    The second (and it's becoming a close call) most misleading member, the guy who is a proponent of Hi-Opt2, is almost as bad. It's ok, that he learned, played and had and even continues to have success with Hi-Opt2. It's ok, that he found the gain worthwhile and it's ok that he recommend it to other players (although I disagree).

    It is NOT ok, when he makes his frequent false and misleading statements, "that you must play a higher level count like Hi-Opt2, to have any success", or "that no professional player play level 1 counts". These are blatantly false statements and he knows it because he personally knows and has played with a number of professional players that play hi-lo or K-O. The fact is that the majority of professional players play something simplistic because that's how you win in today's world. And some of the professional players that do play a higher level count, usually a level 2, will tell you they only do because that's what they initially learned years ago. They will tell you in Today's game there is little if any gain from doing so.

    This little group of folks on this site with this minority opinion are outcasts. They are a very minority opinion on the subject throughout the community. But because they have found each other on this particular community and banned together, they give greater voice to their very minority opinion than they should have. And that is bad for anyone, especially newer players that run into that now voodoo site.

    This is why I call it a "voodoo site" and this is why I believe the community will be better served when "pigpen" passes away and the site ceases to be.

    Despite ALL my differences and problems with "pigpen", his software is outstanding. For someone like myself who knows nothing of software programing, it has been a complete game-changer. I would not be where I am today without it. And despite my differences with "pigpen" and low opinion of him as a site administrator and even as a person, I would love to be able to continue to recommend his products as I did for a period even after my ban from the site. BUT, I can not recommend his products for fear it will lead players to his site and the issues that I just pointed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I didn't say "I wished Norm would die" (exactly )

    What I said was the blackjack community and the world would be a better place when his (rumored) smelly, old ass drops dead.

    There is a difference. It is my contention, that Blackjack the voodoo forum is a very big negative to the blackjack community and any newish type players that stumble on to that site.

    The post leader of that site, by about 10,000 posts , is fraudulently misleading players with his crock of shit! Especially the newer players that are easily mislead by his misdirection involving a mountain of cherry-picked and totally irrelevant data. His methodology is outdated. He thinks it is something new and groundbreaking, but it's not. Just a variation of the thought process from 30 years ago, single deck games, when playing efficiency weighed heavier on results. That approach is just much less relevant, almost completely irrelevant with Today's conditions and games. That is the reason that the vast majority of actual professional players do not get bogged down in that methodology. It's just not how you beat Today's games. This guy is more interested in attempting to make a name for himself than anything. He even told us that before he went public with all this misleading, non-sensical crap.

    The second (and it's becoming a close call) most misleading member, the guy who is a proponent of Hi-Opt2, is almost as bad. It's ok, that he learned, played and had and even continues to have success with Hi-Opt2. It's ok, that he found the gain worthwhile and it's ok that he recommend it to other players (although I disagree).

    It is NOT ok, when he makes his frequent false and misleading statements, "that you must play a higher level count like Hi-Opt2, to have any success", or "that no professional player play level 1 counts". These are blatantly false statements and he knows it because he personally knows and has played with a number of professional players that play hi-lo or K-O. The fact is that the majority of professional players play something simplistic because that's how you win in today's world. And some of the professional players that do play a higher level count, usually a level 2, will tell you they only do because that's what they initially learned years ago. They will tell you in Today's game there is little if any gain from doing so.

    This little group of folks on this site with this minority opinion are outcasts. They are a very minority opinion on the subject throughout the community. But because they have found each other on this particular community and banned together, they give greater voice to their very minority opinion than they should have. And that is bad for anyone, especially newer players that run into that now voodoo site.

    This is why I call it a "voodoo site" and this is why I believe the community will be better served when "pigpen" passes away and the site ceases to be.

    Despite ALL my differences and problems with "pigpen", his software is outstanding. For someone like myself who knows nothing of software programing, it has been a complete game-changer. I would not be where I am today without it. And despite my differences with "pigpen" and low opinion of him as a site administrator and even as a person, I would love to be able to continue to recommend his products as I did for a period even after my ban from the site. BUT, I can not recommend his products for fear it will lead players to his site and the issues that I just pointed out.
    Well do you think your making up any lost ground when you say that you wish he would drop dead? At this point, I don't think your going to change anyone's mind over at BJTF or the way they think about you. Sending Norman a Dear Valentine letter is not going to change his mind. Your worried about what others think about you over at BJTF, some of them may be people you haven't even met, you need to learn to let go. Cut your ties and walk away.

    If you are really so worried about newer players being mislead by going over to BJTF then start your own blackjack site. For any new players coming into blackjack it's their choice if they want to go to Norm's site or not. You cannot decide for them. Unless your going to be taking on some of these new players under your wing then why should you care? Does it matter to you if a new player becomes successful or not? You've mentioned in the past that your not the best teacher when you were in the process of teaching your brother. You should know what will happen to most new players who get the itch to play blackjack, you sit to the left and right of them on a weekly basis I'm sure. You know that most will more than likely quit the game or go broke trying to reach for the stars.

    Did you watch that Michael Morgenstern video on "shuffle tracking?" Do you think he is misleading new players coming into blackjack? Do you think Michael is a good teacher?
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    I cannot believe he paid some bimbo to put on some swimming trunks and to turn around during this video so we could see her ass. Holy shit! He isn't a member of 2 Live Crew. He cannot be as nasty as he wants to be.

    At 11:05 in the video he sets up 6 decks in a shoe. He then miscounts the 1st fucking round using hi-lo I imagine, then he blames his fuck up on the Captain and Coke he poured for himself! Blame it on the alcohol and ass, Michael. LMAO! After he fucks up on his level 1 count on the 1st round of a 6 deck shoe he couldn't even admit that he fucked up until a few seconds later, he blamed it on the alcohol and ass. In essence he is in denial, the first sign that he is an addict. He's putting blame on his vices at the table instead of upon himself. I thought he was going to take his viewers deep into that 6 deck shoe, not Mike. He couldn't make it out of the 1st round!

    He has some rave reviews in the comments section of his video, I wouldn't be so nice if I were to comment.

    https://youtu.be/9fBbPx5-AOo
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    When you really stop and look at all that merchandising, you realize Norm Wattenberger (Qfit) isn't this great guy trying to give back to the blackjack community as he claims. It is all about business....all about merchandising....making a buck off the community that he tells you he cares about so much.
    How is that any different than the BJ website communities of Wong, Snyder, Dalton, Smith, etc.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    How is that any different than the BJ website communities of Wong, Snyder, Dalton, Smith, etc.?
    It isn't. And I guess that would be ok, if he was upfront about it. But he presents himself as this guy who everything he does is for the good of the community. How many times have you seen him write that he never even wanted to start the website, but he did it for the good of the community? He never mentions all the merchandising.

    And how many times has he said he wanted a place where members could exchange ideas. But when you look at what he has done he has systematically shut down any one who had opinions that he did not agree with (or were not good for his business), dating back to even before this site. Once you are on his shit list, you are on his shit list for good. He started this site with a list of people that he intended to systematically get rid of first chance he got. You and CP were very much on that list. Others that knew him well, like Auto Monkey, didn't even give him the chance. I was still relatively new to the community, maybe 4 years in. I had never had an issue with Norm and didn't know of his history of feuding with so many throughout the community. Having learned of his history and seen first hand that he continues to operate the same way, I wish that I knew better. But as I said, those that did know better didn't give him the chance. And there were others beside Automonk that rejected Norm's site.

    One of the things that has really perplexed me about this whole T3 thing is why Norm allowed these nonsensical claims. Norm is a math guy and KNEW that most of these claims were non-sense and misleading. Yet he did NOTHING. And then it got worse. When a number of legitimate professional players, myself included, did stand up and call "bullshit", Norm shut us down.

    That always bothered me. Why would a math guy do that and not only allow the Bullshit claims, that he KNEW were false, but basically side with the guy, run off those that stood up an allow the bullshit artist the platform to continue his ridiculous and misleading claims. But all you really have to do is look at it from the website angle of business and merchandising. Norm sided with the site's post leader (and he's the post leader by a huge margin). That means he posts and posts and posts, which starts and continues discussions. That is more traffic, in turn equals more profits from merchandising. The simple fact is T3 and his ridiculous claims were good for Norm's traffic numbers, putting more money in Norm's pockets. So T3 stayed and those rightfully challenging him were shown the door.

    So the short answer to your question is nothing is all that different about Norm than the others, EXCEPT in typical Norm Wattenberger Fashion, he was dishonest and sneaky about it and his real intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I didn't say "I wished Norm would die" (exactly )

    The post leader of that site, by about 10,000 posts , is fraudulently misleading players with his crock of shit!
    Who has time to make that many posts?

    The second (and it's becoming a close call) most misleading member, the guy who is a proponent of Hi-Opt2, is almost as bad.
    Well, he started a new thread asking for input about why he dropped 9k quickly at a high profitable game he just found, LOL! I wonder what system he used!
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
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