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    First off, in my opinion atheism is a religion. It worships the self and the dollar. It teaches we are just animals and encourages us to act like we are animals. It teaches conscience, fellowship and caring for others is a trait that evolution should weed out. What the laymen evolutionists often fail to realize is what made us rise above animals is the fact that religion brought these traits that are necessary for complex societal evolution. Social Anthropologists know this to be true. As society turns from what allows us not to be simply animals it goes into disarray. People no longer care about the group as much or more than themselves. You can see it today in a whole generation called the "me generation". This new mindset that pervaded when atheism hit its stride caused more and more chaotic conditions just as predicted by Social Anthropology if people didn't become loyal citizens in the same way they were religious. Judging by the posts on the ZenZone we have no hope of becoming blindly faithful citizens to a powerful overlord. Every permutation of government has failed to get the needed group cohesion and selflessness necessary for large groups to live peacefully and productively in a cooperative manner.

    I belong to no religious group. I get kicked out of groups because I think independently and encourage others to do so. My beliefs stem from personal experiences with God and nothing else. I have studied many religions and was taught in each by extreme experts. There has always been this weird tendency for an extreme expert to show up in my life any time I want to study up on anything. Personally I see more similarities between most spiritual disciplines than differences but then I don't think any are necessarily wrong. The plan is strength through diversity in nature. And so it is with religion. There is a balance and harmony through everything. When you realize that you will stop being a part of the problem that focuses on differences and hate and become a part of the solution that sees similarities and love and family within all that exists. The pure practitioners of every religion have this in common. The ones who seek power were it can be found whether religion or government or business do not have this in common. What they have in common is they only believe in power and wealth and have abused whatever position they sought out only to increase power and wealth. That is the common denominator that shows who is not on the side of spirituality. The spiritual would see the similarities and focus on them for they are the virtues found in all. The power seeker points out the differences and gets weak minded followers to do the same.

    I am trained with degrees in math and sciences. One of my main studies was in Anthropology and Archeology. I stay on top of what is breaking in science because I see in every scientific "fact" that is taught but lives a short time the assumptions it is based on and must have be true for the theories to survive. The assumptions never hold as true. Real scientists know this and realize they are best guesses that change as more data is uncovered. I know which theories assumptions are likely to change given our current rate of uncovering new data and better techniques to refine existing data. Those best guesses are constantly changing and not necessarily to a better guess. Just as new data makes the certainty of the previous best guess (laypeople know these guesses as scientific fact) now is not the most certain guess. You would not believe how many assumptions that are current best guesses are leaned upon by any scientific fact in Anthropology, Astronomy, and and quantum physics. Pretty much any scientific discipline relies on assumptions.

    Right now DNA is the new thing on the block that is rewriting all the Anthropology books. It is based on weak assumptions right now but with advances in technique and knowledge in this new field the assumptions will change quickly. New theories will be disproved for better quite quickly. Those will be intern short lived as techniques and knowledge in this relatively new discipline are refined. This is just the way of scientific advancement. What we learned in school had probably been disproved long before it was taught to us. Many of it is still taught decades later. Laymen believe they are well informed spouting theories that experts know have been outdated for a long time. Only when you start to study to be an expert or are taught by an expert do you learn the truth about what they teach the laymen to believe in general education. This is an exciting time for Anthropologists because everything is being rewritten every year. Old theories are quickly being disproved and so are the new theories that replace them. You really have a shot at being a legendary researcher today as all the previously believed theories will soon be replaced by ones from todays shining stars.

    The assumptions based on fossil appearances and sketchy dating methods are now being replaced by DNA from fossils that can show exact species boundaries or isolated gene pools that bred with others that were believed to be of another species but the fact that when given proximity they interbred and produced fertile offspring show they in fact where the same species. These include Homo Sapien, Neanderthal, Denisovan, two unknown subspecies in Africa only speculated from DNA evidence along with many others. The out of Africa theory is being threatened by DNA evidence that can argue for out of Asia and Out of Europe origins. Even Out of Australia theories. The people who are nostalgic about Out of Africa theories have modified to Mostly Out of Africa theories. The newest assumptions are for using DNA mutation rates to get dates for DNA initial mutations. These are quite sketchy, relying on high variance events to be assumed to be predictably even throughout history. But they just plod on making their best guesses which are refined every year with new data making for better refinement (hopefully) of predicting the rate of high variance events over vast amounts of time.

    The old school Anthropologist are fighting hard not to have all their work end up on the scrap heap. This slows down the advancement of new theories as the old guard has all the power in the field and are usually followed by many. It is this way in all sciences but the more sketchy the foundation the more power to the old school guys that wrote the currently accepted theories that will soon be outdated. This is why laypeople are so far behind the curve on the latest accepted theories.

    Panspermia, a ZenZone favorite may become much more accepted or disproved through this ground breaking research into fossil DNA as well as extrapolation from modern DNA sampling. I have always liked the way Directed Panspermia solves some of the major problems with evolution. It really doesn't solve them so much as places them in extraterrestrial environments. It does get around the fact that these problems have defied being solved in Earth's environment.

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    Dear expert T3. That usual-convoluted, long-winded rave from you said nothing much of any note. Basically, in summing up, you said I am an expert, you are not, I know stuff, you don't. So there. Nah nah nah nah nah.


    And what a liar and hypocrite you are. Many posts of yours on the Z you've bored us shitless with your boasts of Jesus being your Savior and what a devout Christian you are... all based on the Word of God as in your Jew Holy Bible. And we heard many times how you are a Bible Expert as well, having studied that Bronze Age mish-mash ad nauseum and learned ancient Hebrew as well.

    Ofcourse, that makes you even more an expert, and the only one who knows what Bronze Age superstitious, goat-herding Jews were talkin about. What a deluded phoney you are.

    Admit it, you believe all those silly Bible bullshit Tall Tales to be true... and you just love Ken Ham lol.
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    Aw fuck, Katz, give him a break. He's just doubling over with glee at the fact that the ZZ provides a wonderful forum to talk about shit that actually matters, as N0rm strictly forbids it. Right, T3?

    Never mind the fact that he's talking about a field of science that's never been known for its science... All I remember from my Anthro classes was how I was a bad person because I was white and believed in civilization as a pursuit, and I needed to learn to respect those that were simpler and better than me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Tthree View Post

    I am trained with degrees in math and sciences. One of my main studies was in Anthropology and Archeology.
    Are you sure it's not Spanish 21?
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Tthree View Post
    if the info absorbed is accurate but if the info isn't then they remain ignorant while thinking they know something.
    Are you talking about yourself?
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    Are you talking about yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by Villiam View Post
    Aw fuck, give him a break. He's just doubling over with glee at the fact that the ZZ provides a wonderful forum to talk about shit that actually matters, as N0rm strictly forbids it. Right, T3?

    Never mind the fact that he's talking about a field of science that's never been known for its science... All I remember from my Anthro classes was how I was a bad person because I was white and believed in civilization as a pursuit, and I needed to learn to respect those that were simpler and better than me...
    If only we could educate the parrot's. They are like sponge's, soak it up and squeeze it out but they don't even understand the science behind what they parrot. Look at the chromosomal mutation argument tied to Directed Panspermia. They point to evidence that the problem was circumvented but fail to see that if this doesn't happen in nature they are in fact proving Directed Panspermia with their argument. It is hard not to keep an open mind about the unearthly hand in doing what science says nature can't.

    The problem with average intelligence is they are great parrot's. The absorb information well but fail to understand it or how to derive it. They can memorize and recite. Their minds are easily molded which can work well if the info absorbed is accurate but if the info isn't then they remain ignorant while thinking they know something. Below average intelligence isn't easily molded because their minds don't absurd information as well and can't learn easily by understanding things. Above average intelligence doesn't want to memorize answers. They want to understand concepts or the way things work so they don't have to memorize anything. If they have a question they want to know how to solve it not just what the answer is.

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