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    We've chosen the name Modern Blackjack for the blackjack Ap forum ... please use the term "modern blackjack" liberally in your posts here in order to enhance our modern blackjack semantic SEO.

    Modern Blackjack forum title not to be confused with Norman Wattenberger book of same name, though meaningful posts and discussion about Norm's book 'Modern Blackjack' are encouraged.
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    LOL. Prepare for a copyright complaint about using "modern blackjack"!

    Also, prepare for a copyright complaint about writing the name "Norm" without authorization.

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    "Modern Blackjack by Norman Wattenberger vol 1-2 ...
    ... or Modern Blackjack the Forum? ... that is the question."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    LOL. Prepare for a copyright complaint about using "modern blackjack"!

    Also, prepare for a copyright complaint about writing the name "Norm" without authorization.
    No worry, we have a lawyer here!
    AP: Advanced Ploppy.

    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!

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    "Norm" is not copyrighted, regardless of Norm's stupid legal opinions on SEO. The term "Modern Blackjack" may or may not be copyrighted, but its usage easily falls within Fair Use. That image of the book above is copyrighted. And as a future copyright troll, I would sue the shit out of you for posting it. And you'd settle because it would be cheaper than your legal fees. Sorry, but it's the truth. This whole thread is a bad idea. My advice is to remove that image.
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    I would suggest that the obsession with mormon and T3 end, it is beating a dead horse, they have both been proven as ##### and ##### #### by this site and to some extent on the other site. Who cares any more??


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    Since 2005, QFIT Wattenberger's Modern Blackjack has topped my FREE RESOURCES list on the world's biggest blackjack online knowledge base ...

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    .... even if he did nuke 3000 of my posts (697 hrs, of my time
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    he did nuke 3000 of my posts (697 hrs, of my time but who's counting?
    3000 or 30,000 it matters not as you were fomenting hate and anarchy and never posted anything about blackjack. And as for your presumption to name a blackjack forum modern blackjack, I will be filing a formal complaint with the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, so govern yourself accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QFITman View Post
    3000 or 30,000 it matters not as you were fomenting hate and anarchy and never posted anything about blackjack. And as for your presumption to name a blackjack forum modern blackjack, I will be filing a formal complaint with the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, so govern yourself accordingly.

    Booting Z-Man was your loss mormon, and he was not ever fomenting hate or anarchy! As for you, you denied all the BJ Bro's and Sister's information on a possible spread of Ebola to Vegas and other casino areas by none other than Islamic Terrorists. You did so to spite me for posting on the ZZone, so you put your hate above the very lives of the BJ Brethern!! You are a disgusting man. (And your NY neighbors agree)

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    I would suggest that the obsession with mormon and T3 end, it is beating a dead horse, they have both been proven as ##### and ##### #### by this site and to some extent on the other site. Who cares any more??
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    Where would the fun in that be?

    Seriously though....I care!! (that's a double exclamation point specifically for Norm who has stated he hates them). She3 has indeed been proven to be a fraud and discredited. But that doesn't seem to have changed anything. Hasn't even slowed him down. He is still 'peddling' his bullshit....nonsensical claims. For me, the whole thing with She3 was and still is that he is peddling bullshit, that just might do some real harm to some newbie that stumbles on to Blackjack the Voodoo Forum, and is mislead by these ridiculous claims.

    With Norm allowing She3 this platform and all the other in the private club that has become, Blackjack the Voodoo Forum, cheering him on, giving him credibility where there should be none, it is not hard to imagine a number of newer players were mislead and attempted to follow in She3's footsteps and lost their shirt and very inadequate bankroll.

    Now we can say that it is any newbie's responsibility to figure out who knows what they are talking about, and there is some true to that, a lot of truth to that. But, I just go back to the beginnings of my own journey, not all that long ago. Little more than a decade ago, when I found Ken Smith's site, and joined this community. There were many players and members, yourself very much near the top of that list, CP, that I benefited from BECAUSE they shared their experiences and wisdom. I credit these members for what limited success that I have been fortunate enough to have enjoyed. And it is just not fair that other newbies starting their journey are denied that same benefit and opportunity, because there is some jackass, some total fraud, trying to build himself up into something that he is not, steering them over the cliff and dooming them before they ever have a real chance to get started.

    As for Norm, on the surface it may appear that he is/was a victim of this fraud and misleading claims as well....but I don't buy it. Norm is a math guy, far smarter than someone like myself in the mathematics of blackjack. He had to know better. He HAD to know these outrageous claims were fraudulent, misleading and even dangerous to newer players. Norm allowing the platform for this and not stepping up to challenge these ridiculous claims much more often than he did, and worst of all running off those of us who did stand up and try to police the community, makes him just as complicit as She3.

    I can only speculate that Norm chose the side that he did because it was better for his site in regards to traffic, which leads to higher product sales and revenue. If there is another explanation as to why a math guy who knew better allowed these fraudulent claims, I would welcome hearing it. And if this is the case, he is no friend to the blackjack community. He is a selfish back-stabber, the likes of Revere, and Elliot and I hope he is remembered as such. This single act of treason, undoes all the good that Norm and his products have done.

    Now for me personally, it goes much deeper than that. It wasn't enough that Norm drove me from the site as he did with Bjarg and 21forme last year, when we tried to stand up and expose this fraud, just as he drove you and countless others from the site before and since. Norm followed and trolled me to other sites, attempting to smear my reputation and name. Norm literally begged people like Al Rogers (BJ21) and Mike Shackleford (Wizard of Vegas), to either ban or silence (censor) me. He used his reputation and weight as a respected math guy in this community to try to force them to choose between him and me. Shackleford did choose, while Al Rodgers to his credit would not be bullied. Norm was willing to damage his own reputation and credibility to attempt to destroy mine.

    And frankly he had some success in destroying my credibility. Here I sit, a professional blackjack advantage player, in my 13th year of professional play and supporting myself solely from advantage play (mostly blackjack), closing in on a million dollars earned....that's total AP earnings, the majority from blackjack (at the moment I am 32 grand short) which I will hit either the end of this year or early next, and I am unable to share my experiences because I am unwelcome at two of the top forums and my reputation damaged at the third (BJ21).

    A million dollars isn't a big number over 13 years. I can't retire. It doesn't set me up for the rest of my life. It is just a working wage. If anything it cements me as the low or low/medium level 'grinder' that I am. This milestone would have little meaning to anyone but me, because I initially had a 10 year million dollar plan, which was far different than how reality played out. Most professional players playing serious stakes, would and have hit such a milestone in far less time, so this feat would impress no one, but it does say "hey I know a little something about what I am doing and what I am talking about". And as one of the members of the community that is willing to share my experiences just as others have done for me, I am denied that opportunity and experience that I enjoy, simply because Norm is a fucking jackass and very small and petty man who can't and won't admit when he was wrong (backing She3).

    So yeah my friend CP, it's very personal to me. I doesn't take away from my accomplishments, not effect my personal life. My life is very full and happy, with good friends and family. But, as to "who cares?" I do care! And I am going to keep beating this dead horse with every opportunity that I have. Norm deserves that and I will oblige.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    Booting Z-Man was your loss mormon, and he was not ever fomenting hate or anarchy! As for you, you denied all the BJ Bro's and Sister's information on a possible spread of Ebola to Vegas and other casino areas by non other than Islamic Terrorists. You did so to spite me for posting on the ZZone, so you put your hate above the very lives of the BJ Brethern!! You are a disgusting man. (And your NY neighbors agree)

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    With all due respect CP, your ban from Blackjack the Voodoo Forum, had absolutely nothing to do with Ebola or any posts/discussion about Ebola. That was simply the excuse used. Norm is a small and petty man who holds grudges. Your fate, like many others was determined long before any Ebola discussion. Norm placed personal issues and grudges before having top qualified successful AP's as members of his site, thus denying the many newbies that find and are attracted to Blackjack the Voodoo Forum the opportunity to benefit from real successful players and instead exposing them to the likes of She3 and Flash.

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    Yes KJ, I do understand your feelings, and when I wrote that post I thought of you, and almost deleted it because I know you have been very much harmed by mormon and 3 and that is very personal for you, and I must say I cannot blame you.

    One of my concerns was that they may actually LIKE being mentioned here, get off on it,,so to say,,,why give them that pleasure?

    KJ, I am not trying to talk you out of anything, have at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    "Norm" is not copyrighted, regardless of Norm's stupid legal opinions on SEO. The term "Modern Blackjack" may or may not be copyrighted, but its usage easily falls within Fair Use. That image of the book above is copyrighted. And as a future copyright troll, I would sue the shit out of you for posting it. And you'd settle because it would be cheaper than your legal fees. Sorry, but it's the truth. This whole thread is a bad idea. My advice is to remove that image.
    I did not post that image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    With all due respect CP, your ban from Blackjack the Voodoo Forum, had absolutely nothing to do with Ebola or any posts/discussion about Ebola. That was simply the excuse used. Norm is a small and petty man who holds grudges. Your fate, like many others was determined long before any Ebola discussion. Norm placed personal issues and grudges before having top qualified successful AP's as members of his site, thus denying the many newbies that find and are attracted to Blackjack the Voodoo Forum the opportunity to benefit from real successful players and instead exposing them to the likes of She3 and Flash.
    Well said. As someone also banished to the Indus Valley I can attest to the truth of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    I would suggest that the obsession with mormon and T3 end, it is beating a dead horse, they have both been proven as ##### and ##### #### by this site and to some extent on the other site. Who cares any more??


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