This MIGHT belong in voodoo ...
This MIGHT belong in voodoo ...
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I used to be fairly good at DC. I haven't practiced in years so I am not anymore. I have been backed off more often at craps than for counting cards. I was backed off 3 times in one trip to Vegas for being too good at DC. I was never backed off in AC but I know someone that has been. Most people are not very good or delusional about their ability to control the dice. That is why they worry about SSR (not rolling the 7) and why they bet the lowest house edge bets on the table. If you understand anything about math you know that if you can affect the odds of the roll of the dice the high house edge bets will have the largest advantage.
The guy I know that has been backed off the most (they don't offer him the dice when it is his turn) in AC gets backed of because he bets the hop and wins like crazy. The hop is a one roll bet that your dice will come up to be two specific numbers. The house edge is around 16% if memory serves. It pays 15 to 1 on a roll that should come up 1 in every 18 times unless you are talking about rolling doubles. He would hit his hop far more frequently that 1 in every 15 rolls. The casinos didn't like this fact and he would have to wait until someone didn't recognize him to shoot the dice but unfortunately nobody rolled the dice using the same mechanics that he did. So he was always quickly spotted.
If anyone says they can control the dice and bets the passerine you know they have their doubts about their ability. If you can rewrite the odds of the numbers being rolled your biggest advantage will be on certain rolls that pay the highest odds. It doesn't take my level of genius to figure that out.
Yes and more you cesspool turd.
I kept exacting records but I am not going to try to remember what was set aside decades ago. What I can say is I had extreme control of the left die and enough control of the right die that I was quite profitable placing the 6 and 8. I never worried about SSR but mine was a little better than random. I worried about rolling winners. I saw a lot of people with a very high SSR that could not win money because they couldn't roll enough winners to be profitable even with the 7 coming out much less than expected. SSR is bullshit unless you also know what numbers to bet on. I rolled the 6 and 8 about twice as often as they are expected to be rolled. That gave me a nice edge without worrying about the 7.
Little zzone clown, I have forgotten more than you will ever know about skilled dice tossing and betting...
I had decades of exhaustive practice records on my very own full length craps table.
I used 2 different color die so i could track what each did. I would try to get the dice to tumble so you would eliminate the sides of the dice as they sit in the set from coming up. I tracked each dies outcome on each roll. I grouped them in groups of 24 so the expected number of times you would successfully avoid the sides was 16 out of 24. The left die would almost always have over 20 with 20 successes out of 24 attempts being very rare. The right die would tend to have 17 to 19 successes in 24 throws and I can't remember it ever having less than the expected 16 after decades of practice every day for 1 to 3 hours a day. The outcome of each die was definitely being affected to different degrees. Then I was tasked with determining the best bets to make given the altered likelihood of each number being rolled. For me that was placing the 6 and 8. If I had the same control of the right die as the left I would have laid the 5 and 9 because they would hardly ever be rolled because if I put 3 and 4 as the 2 sides of the dice that are on axis for the tumble and was successful at tumbling both dice it would be impossible to roll a 5 or 9. Then I would have placed the numbers that are most likely to hit and press aggressively as they hit. Unfortunately I was not that good. No matter how much I practiced the right die would not increase the tumble rate. With the control I had being limited by weak control of the right die I placed the 6 and 8 and concentrated on a dice set for rolling them as frequently as possible. The idea is you want as little exposure to the short rolls that will happen once in a while. You want to get your money off the table as soon as possible or practical. You want to ensure a profit. And then you wanted to press your bets to make the stakes worthwhile. With the skewing of the odds of the outcomes there was a sweet spot for whatever your rolling results are. I was asked to analyze many peoples rolls but few had a sample size large enough to determine the right numbers to bet and the style of pressing bets to maximize your return. I would tell people that staked me how to bet on my rolls. They just needed to decide what multiple of that advice they would use. Of course some had to do their own thing. After a while of seeing how the ones that followed my advice did compared to their results most followed the outline.
Maybe that last part is why I was backed off so much in Vegas. Exponential return is kind of scary to the casinos if losses are rare. I rarely went to Vegas but, when I went, by the end of the week some of the casinos we frequented were not happy with me throwing the dice.
Last edited by Lady Tthree; September 4th, 2016 at 03:12 PM.
Now I know why that game is called crap!
AP: Advanced Ploppy.
After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
Yes, ugly little jew-baiting zzone hater.
I have more years of practice statistics recording the outcome of the right die and the left die on every roll for 3 or more hours of practice a day that any other practitioner on the planet. My stats would prove you wrong and casino results to match that would suggest you are wrong to question my ability.
It is simply a physical skill thats hard to master and perishable without practice to stay fresh. Then you need casino conditions that match your practice table to be sure your practice will reflect what will happen in the casino. I decided I liked a more stable edge and switched to other opportunities when they started regularly changing the landing surface.
Had dice conditions remained good I would not now be one of the card counter blackjack greats.