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    RA indices already take into account bet size, as well as other indices, bankroll (assuming you are using optimal betting), risk, rules, penetration, variance by count, overall variance, strategy, etc. They are the optimal indices for the growth of limited bankrolls.

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    Moses replies: Looks like Norm has had enough of T3. Pretty good post though of an overall generality that says nothing but makes it almost impossible for T3 to respond.
    It will be interesting see if and how T3 responds and then if Norm says ENUF.

    Flash is one who always backed up T3's wisdom for like 7k posts overall several years. Where is he now?

    The problem is Don S is pretty much spot on with ill 18 in shoes and these two confuse the shit out of everyone confounding indifference.
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    So when i first started last year, i would use Hi-lo. With the rounding system and half deck estimation for a double deck game with 50% pen. I switched to knock out full index in feburary. I find i am able to play longer hours with less fatigue, and make decisions much quicker and not have to pause as much which can draw attention. I like hi lo for deeper dealt games, when i go to vegas and play anything over 60% dealt double deck i will switch back to hi lo. Now what TC rounding is best? Floor?

    newbie ponders.

    Moses writes; Let the confusion begin to confound the understanding. What a mess? Don S says SCORE is the only thing that matters. T3 will write about High PE in a shoe where BC is suppose to be the barometer and say BC doesn't matter. Rather than constant generalizations, why don't you genius' put in same parameters to follow.

    Hi LO is 970 BC 511 PE IC 760. A good starting point? Don S really needs to take the reigns on this topic and put it to bed once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    So when i first started last year, i would use Hi-lo. With the rounding system and half deck estimation for a double deck game with 50% pen. I switched to knock out full index in feburary. I find i am able to play longer hours with less fatigue, and make decisions much quicker and not have to pause as much which can draw attention. I like hi lo for deeper dealt games, when i go to vegas and play anything over 60% dealt double deck i will switch back to hi lo. Now what TC rounding is best? Floor?

    newbie ponders.

    Moses writes; Let the confusion begin to confound the understanding. What a mess? Don S says SCORE is the only thing that matters. T3 will write about High PE in a shoe where BC is suppose to be the barometer and say BC doesn't matter. Rather than constant generalizations, why don't you genius' put in same parameters to follow.

    Hi LO is 970 BC 511 PE IC 760. A good starting point? Don S really needs to take the reigns on this topic and put it to bed once and for all.

    Don S invented SCORE-so of course he can't submit an impartial analysis.

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    Good point. An example of some contradiction. Don S states that SCORE is all that matters. He also stated the giving the Ace a -1.5 and 10 -1 is a recipe for disaster. This combination comes up in the higher echelon of SCORES. However, one gets creamed in the casino and on Verite with this allocation. So Don S is right and/or wrong on both counts.

    IF you look strictly at SCORE, they are many combinations of tags that Sim out to a similar SCORE. If you qualify it by BC, PE, and IC? That shrinks the field a good bit.

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    I'm surprised no one has brought this nonsense up to ridicule yet:

    "Like as I wandered the hospital away from my body I entered an area that was off limits and behind locked doors where I had never been awake or sedated. I described an odd feature of decay in the room. It was a strangely shaped stain near the ceiling and wall intersection. I described it in such detail that all the hospital staff said I had to have been there but also said my body was never even close to being in that room, nor could I have entered the area of the hospital without card key access. Like it or not we have a physical body and a portion of ourselves that exist beyond the physical. "

    "At one point, while I had the sense, I saw a spirit walk through the wall and go up toward the ceiling. Seconds later from the adjacent room I heard the most horrifying shriek I have ever heard. I knew the one occupying the room had died and I had seen his life energy leaving his body."
    Why bother counting cards when you can rely on your clairvoyance and ESP to see the cards! Better yet, you'd have an easy $1 Million from James Randi!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mi...rmal_Challenge

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    From T3:

    "I doubt I fool anyone for very long."

    I have to say you are right on that one!
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Post #17 shows the advantage bell curve for Hilo at TC +1 and post number, post #30 shows the advantage bell curve for the Hiopt2/ASC equivalent, which is at TC +2.5. If you look at the scale you see Hilo has twice the range into negative EV and a slightly larger range into positive territory around the mean. This tighter bell curve is what being more accuracy looks like. BC does't say anything about betting accuracy. It just gives how well the count tags correlate to the betting EoRs. Hilo BC .97 and Hiopt2/ASC BC .98 doesn't come close to illustrating how much more accurate the bell curves indicate Hiopt2/ASC bets at equivalent TCs. My twist on Hiopt2/ASC is Hiopt2/BASC (Hiopt2 with a balanced ace side count where I add half the BASC to the main count to get my betting count). The BC increases minimally at a .002 increase but betting accuracy increases a lot, and you get a Hilo TC +1 equivalent at TC +1 with an increase in advantage per TC increment that is higher than traditional Hiopt2/ASC. This makes every advantage bet made much more frequently since it is made at a lower more frequent TC (except for max bet which is made slightly less frequently). The added accuracy (lower variance) at each TC allows for larger bets to begin with and then even larger optimal betting with the same spread, RoR, BR, etc on top of that. The increase in optimal bets for the same spread, BR, RoR, etc is where most of the EV gain is produced from more accurate betting. Of course if you bet the same this gain isn't lost, it just shows up as an improvement in one of the important stats that were being held static like reduced RoR.

    T3 writes ^:


    Moses replies; Well, I'll be damned. I finally get what T3 is saying. How many months and number of lengthy posts has it been? As I suspected, he is giving the Ace more credit as a side count than the norm of Hi OPT II. Damn difficult to do in single deck. Fat Bumblebee might know as to the degree of difficulty on a shoe? My guess is if HiLO is the equivalent to sitting in a chair during play, then T3's approach would be like doing hand stand pushups in the chair all the time he's playing. According to sims, this move would increase his SCORE.

    For all Tarzan's gyrations, his Sim came out only slightly better than Hi Opt II/ASC on a sophisticated sim. Hi Opt II/ASC is slightly worse Wong Halves without the side count. Include an Ace side or the perfect insurance, which is the same mental exercise, and Wong Halves will pull away from the pack.

    I hate to fly. But I will buy a plane ticket and fly to the east coast to see T3 perform this endeavor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    The BC increases minimally at a .002 increase but betting accuracy increases a lot,
    T3 writes ^:
    What the hell did he mean? How much is a lot? .003?

    When the count is in advantageous zone, there is not much difference among different count systems. When the count is low, no counting system can turn -EV to +EV. I just leave the game while T3 wastes his brain cells just to lose less.
    Last edited by fat_bumblebee; December 26th, 2018 at 05:46 PM.
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    What the hell did he mean? How much is a lot? .003?

    When the count is in advantageous zone, there is not much difference among different count systems. When the count is low, no counting system can turn -EV to +EV. I just leave the game while T3 wastes his brain cells just to lose less.
    T3 is giving -1.5 to the Ace side count as opposed to -1 in the original Hi OPt II. Only because I've ran so many SIMs am I able to understand that giving the Ace an extra value increases SCORE. But what a pain in the ass for counting! I'd be more worried about insurance on those large bet than making them. Thus the brain power used. I do not understand yet what he means about bins. He mentioned Hi OPt II in this post but has said he employs Hi Opt 1 in other post. IMO there is no way one can do both, plus an Ace side count without busting a spring.

    Also, just what 3 newbies are getting this? I think he is writing to himself. I realize he's seen the results on a specialized SIM. But can he or anyone perform it over 312 cards? My quarter says no.

    Question Fat Bumblebee: I don't know anything about shoes. But why in the BLUE fuck would someone fret so much about PE and not care about perfect insurance? I mean if the shoe turns sour you can walk away. No? But if you're hanging out their with the two max bets of crap facing an Ace? I'd damn sure want to know my insurance count.

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    So giving ace -1.5 tag value did all the magic? Wow, what a genius! I think there is still room to improve, T3. Try giving tag value -1.55 for ace. You won't believe the huge increase in everything!
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Question Fat Bumblebee: I don't know anything about shoes. But why in the BLUE fuck would someone fret so much about PE and not care about perfect insurance? I mean if the shoe turns sour you can walk away. No? But if you're hanging out their with the two max bets of crap facing an Ace? I'd damn sure want to know my insurance count.
    You can always walk away when it turns sour. The biggest problem with shoes is the lack of positive counts. High counts just do not happen that often. No super duper count system can boost PE much for shoe games. The place I play, all games have similar house edge regardless of number of decks (single and double deck games restrict what you can do).

    Insurance is important but in my mind it does not happen that often (for the shoe game I play, chance of different plays is double = 10.3%,split = 2.7%, insurance = 0.5%).
    Last edited by fat_bumblebee; December 26th, 2018 at 08:01 PM.
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    Insurance is important but in my mind it does not happen that often (for the shoe game I play, chance of different plays is double = 10.3%,split = 2.7%, insurance = 0.5%).
    Now THAT makes sense. Thanks FB.

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    So bottom line, if Carla can keep KO with AA89mTc effortlessly and she had no special skills and is of average intelligence, then any reader on this post should also be able to keep KO with AA89mTc effortless after just a little practice.

    BJ Analysts writes:

    Moses questions: Fat Bumblebee. Who is Carla? IS BJ Analyst, T3 in disguise and Carla is T3s alter ego dressed in drag? Who is the hell pulled SeriousPlayers chain? Man, is he fired up or what? Normally, he is meek as a kitten. I think I even whizzed in my boxers just a wee bit. O wait, that was from laughing so hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post

    Moses questions: Fat Bumblebee. Who is Carla? IS BJ Analyst, T3 in disguise and Carla is T3s alter ego dressed in drag?
    How can I know, man? You never know. It may even outperfor T3 Super Duper count! At least the guy has posted a lot of details about his system. In contrast, after more than 10,000 posts, no one knows what T3 Super Duper system is.
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    How can I know, man? You never know. It may even outperfor T3 Super Duper count! At least the guy has posted a lot of details about his system. In contrast, after more than 10,000 posts, no one knows what T3 Super Duper system is.
    You're absolutely right FB. Not my circus. Not my monkey. But I can see where all these various ideas of guessing at a 312 card shoe. It's one big clusterfuck. By the time one figured it all out, they'd be dead.

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