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    Vegas is trying to cheat you out of even more money
    Cutbacks in Las Vegas make for some very unhappy gamblers.

    Casinos exist to take your money at the gaming tables. Everyone knows that. But they’ve long been pretty sporty when it comes to giving back in terms of free rooms, cheap food, gratis booze — even comped airfare if you’re willing to shell out enough while playing craps or roulette.

    But on a recent trip to Las Vegas, I couldn’t help but get the impression that Vegas is tightening its belt to a suffocating degree. The town expects you to risk cash against insurmountable odds, all while it is becoming sadly chintzy in how much it puts out for its suckerish losers.

    I realize that the days of 99-cent shrimp cocktails are gone, replaced by a blur of celebrity chefs and imported mixologists.

    But are casinos so desperate that they have to charge for parking? I thought that being a good mousetrap involved luring in the mice. Vegas gambling dens owned by MGM Resorts International (including high-end spots such as the Bellagio and Aria) now tariff as much as $10 a day to park your car. It doesn’t sound like a lot — but until recently, it was free.

    Hopefully other casinos around town — where no-charge valet parking remains in effect — are enjoying a bump from gamblers who realize that steakhouses and slot machines are not all that different from one place to another.

    The other giant ripoff for most everyone overnighting in Vegas casinos is the repellent resort fees that Strip properties charge. Check in to a place designed to take your money at the tables and you’re an instant loser when socked with markups of $29 to $32 per night. The fees cover entry to the gym, Wi-Fi, local phone calls, maybe a bottle of water in your room — whether you care to use the amenities or not. The Delano’s fee even includes free notary service. Just one problem: Who the hell goes to Las Vegas on vacation and needs a notary?


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    Screw that shi#,,,only an addict would pay to park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Yeah, I wish I had been born 20 years earlier (or maybe 40) and got to experience the old Vegas that was all about gambling. Back then a stranger showed up with a suitcase full of cash and he was king until it was gone....suites, high end meals, high end booze, anything he wanted. And he could do it all as Mr John Doe if he wanted. Now an unknown player buys in for 50 grand and they might not even let him play without a players card and/or ID. Can you imagine the old Vegas casino bosses, rolling in their graves.

    Vegas has been changing since corporations replaced the mob guys. But it has really gotten bad in the last 10 years, just about the time I moved here. That's when the pencil geek, MBA guys, that now run things really started moving away from gambling. Now the strip, is no different than a resort in Mexico or the Caribbean or someplace. Main source of revenue is high end shopping, restaurants and clubs. They are after the 20/30 crowd that just wants to party get drunk and laid. Gambling is just a supplemental thing far down on the list. Let me say that again, gambling and gambling revenue is far down on the list.

    But luckily there are two distinctly different Vegases (Plural of Vegas ??) There is the strip which is everything I just mentioned and then there is all the local places where you can still find decent opportunities, blackjack and other. Only problem is without the strip there are limitations as far as betting limits. You just can't go into the local places and bet thousands of dollars on a hand of blackjack.

    And then there is downtown which falls somewhere in between the two. Not as touristy as the strip with focus on clubs, high end dining and shopping, but not quite the local rotation either.

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    I get to Vegas on business a few times a year, and I strongly prefer downtown. It's cheap, the rooms (mostly) are decent, and there's plenty of entertainment (and casinos) within steps of each other. People are there just casually wandering the street, having a good time. If I have a car sometimes I'll hit a locals place.

    The strip takes forever to get around, and the whole scene is designed to extract your money with unreal efficiency at every turn. The games aren't even that great anymore. (I was so disappointed to see 6:5 games where there used to be rows of 3:2 S17).

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    I hate downtown. Scrub-central. The freak show on the boardwalk. Homeless people wanting shit. The games are terrible, assuming you can find a seat that isn't 6-5. Never can at Golden Nugget it seems. You got 8-deck bad rules, bad pen at 4 Queens. You got 6 deck same thing at the D--and I sat next to one of those idiot girls on a plane home, and they expect a lot of tips BTW. You got El Cortez, who will bar you for knowing basic strategy--and they don't forget faces. You got the Fremont, a complete garbage heap, with horrible fucking scrubs--they'll call checks play on a 1-4 spread. I wouldn't stay downtown for free. And since we're talking about parking, Downtown invented paying for parking. If you want it for free, you got to get creative and pretend you're a hotel guest and valet. Or you could use the horrible 4-Queens parking garage with possibly the elevator most likely to breakdown in the United States, who recently changed to needing validation every 4 hours instead of just once. If you play a couple hours at the table and forget to get validated, don't expect a slot attendant to help. Putting a dollar in and pushing the call button won't get you validated, it will get you chastised for trying to cheat the system.

    The strip is the place to stay. Play off-strip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Vegas is trying to cheat you out of even more money
    Cutbacks in Las Vegas make for some very unhappy gamblers.

    Casinos exist to take your money at the gaming tables. Everyone knows that. But they’ve long been pretty sporty when it comes to giving back in terms of free rooms, cheap food, gratis booze — even comped airfare if you’re willing to shell out enough while playing craps or roulette.

    But on a recent trip to Las Vegas, I couldn’t help but get the impression that Vegas is tightening its belt to a suffocating degree. The town expects you to risk cash against insurmountable odds, all while it is becoming sadly chintzy in how much it puts out for its suckerish losers.

    I realize that the days of 99-cent shrimp cocktails are gone, replaced by a blur of celebrity chefs and imported mixologists.

    But are casinos so desperate that they have to charge for parking? I thought that being a good mousetrap involved luring in the mice. Vegas gambling dens owned by MGM Resorts International (including high-end spots such as the Bellagio and Aria) now tariff as much as $10 a day to park your car. It doesn’t sound like a lot — but until recently, it was free.

    Hopefully other casinos around town — where no-charge valet parking remains in effect — are enjoying a bump from gamblers who realize that steakhouses and slot machines are not all that different from one place to another.

    The other giant ripoff for most everyone overnighting in Vegas casinos is the repellent resort fees that Strip properties charge. Check in to a place designed to take your money at the tables and you’re an instant loser when socked with markups of $29 to $32 per night. The fees cover entry to the gym, Wi-Fi, local phone calls, maybe a bottle of water in your room — whether you care to use the amenities or not. The Delano’s fee even includes free notary service. Just one problem: Who the hell goes to Las Vegas on vacation and needs a notary?


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    It's the goddamn "Casino & Resort fee" that Caesars is implementing on their customers, that's how the industry is soaking & screwing their customers even more. I was recently givin a room comp for a 2 night stay but decided to take the offer for 1 day only. I made a reservation and the last thing the bitch on the phone mentioned was their "casino and resort fee" which when added up amounted to half the room rate! WTF!! It's not free and it's not complimentary!

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    is the GNW, in the summer a paradise of green fields, thick forests, expansive clean and cold lakes, and intoxicating fresh air. The sky at night amazing!

    The games, still good to great, and no freaks on the streets.

    Winter time has it's own beauty and peace, and silence. Frigid silence, and white beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    It's the goddamn "Casino & Resort fee" that Caesars is implementing on their customers, that's how the industry is soaking & screwing their customers even more. I was recently givin a room comp for a 2 night stay but decided to take the offer for 1 day only. I made a reservation and the last thing the bitch on the phone mentioned was their "casino and resort fee" which when added up amounted to half the room rate! WTF!! It's not free and it's not complimentary!
    I was recently given 49 comp nights over the course of a year, and didn't pay a resort fee. There actually was a reduced fee of about $8 per night involved, but it was practically offset by the 30,000 reward credits I got for not playing. Maybe they just don't want no scrubs? A scrub is a guy who can't get no love from CET. Happy to share this simple method with any real APs. Very limited value for infrequent travelers or locals.
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    With the Evil Empire (CET/Harrahs) you have to be a Diamond or Seven Seas level card member to avoid fees. It used to be Platinum, if staying on comps, they waived fees but no longer:

    https://www.totalrewards.com/content.../overview.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    With the Evil Empire (CET/Harrahs) you have to be a Diamond or Seven Seas level card member to avoid fees. It used to be Platinum, if staying on comps, they waived fees but no longer:

    https://www.totalrewards.com/content.../overview.html
    I've never reached a tier score to even earn Platinum. You can beat blackjack by counting cards. You won't find that on CET's overview of how to play blackjack either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    With the Evil Empire (CET/Harrahs) you have to be a Diamond or Seven Seas level card member to avoid fees. It used to be Platinum, if staying on comps, they waived fees but no longer:

    https://www.totalrewards.com/content.../overview.html
    It's just another way for the casino to take back from the customer the way I see it. They're greedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    I was recently given 49 comp nights over the course of a year, and didn't pay a resort fee. There actually was a reduced fee of about $8 per night involved, but it was practically offset by the 30,000 reward credits I got for not playing. Maybe they just don't want no scrubs? A scrub is a guy who can't get no love from CET. Happy to share this simple method with any real APs. Very limited value for infrequent travelers or locals.
    It never used to be like that awhile back. It's casino greed. I don't want love from Caesars, I just want their money when I win at their games or take it off the players themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    I was recently given 49 comp nights over the course of a year, and didn't pay a resort fee. There actually was a reduced fee of about $8 per night involved, but it was practically offset by the 30,000 reward credits I got for not playing. Maybe they just don't want no scrubs? A scrub is a guy who can't get no love from CET. Happy to share this simple method with any real APs. Very limited value for infrequent travelers or locals.
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    I've never reached a tier score to even earn Platinum. You can beat blackjack by counting cards. You won't find that on CET's overview of how to play blackjack either.
    So enlighten then. How did you acquire so many comp nights and points without reaching a higher tier? Or what property and program were these under?

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    You know MJOK I know Sleezers caters to the high rollers more so than the lower level players but I always thought that the majority of the Diamond and Seven Stars players as being some of the biggest losers in the casino. I can understand why they get more perks than other tier levels in their rewards program. The more cash a player brings to the table and the more they lose the faster their tier score will move up. That is the customer the casino wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    So enlighten then. How did you acquire so many comp nights and points without reaching a higher tier? Or what property and program were these under?
    If you can assure me that you spend or would spend more than 15 nights per year at a Caesars strip property, and that you won't spread the knowledge, you can PM me. If you spend less than that, it won't be of any value for you to know. If too many people start doing it or know about it, they will probably shut it down. All my nights were comped, but I can't guarantee that would happen--that part, I haven't totally figured out. I've only partially figured out why I got so many rooms comped, but it doesn't seem like it's hard to get them. You would be unlikely to get the reward credits. All I can guarantee is the lowered resort fee.
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