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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    Being I'm also a guy who uses fancy counts, if I'm playing a game where I need good plays I'm usually using some variation on the forbidden JSTAT count, also known as the Fry Count. Sidecount the aces, and you now have perfect insurance information
    But wait Automatic Monkey, there's more! In addition to the perfect insurance (and blackjack frequency prediction) of the JSTAT Count with the side counting of aces, I just made a video of the 8/9 side count. Side counting eights and nines causes the dealer to bust more often and the win rate on our double downs of 10/11 increases with more 8's/9's left. Enjoy the video and as a bonus, a nemesis of the ZenZone is briefly mentioned.
    Last edited by JSTAT; March 15th, 2015 at 05:06 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    But wait Automatic Monkey, there's more! In addition to the perfect insurance (and blackjack frequency prediction) of the JSTAT Count with the side counting of aces, I just made a video of the 8/9 side count. Side counting eights and nines causes the dealer to bust more often and the win rate on our double downs of 10/11 increases with more 8's/9's left. Enjoy the video and as a bonus, a nemesis of the ZenZone is briefly mentioned.
    Jumbo's. They make it easier to read the card values when doing a video. You could use some new decks JSTAT, those cards look well worn by my standards. Have you ever tried to learn how to riffle shuffle? Your cards will last longer and won't get all bent up as quickly. Plus you get a better overall shuffle without damaging the decks so when you do deck estimation at the house the cards will appear in casino form and not appear warped. Also if you lay down a sheet underneath your BJ felt it will grab better due to the friction of the sheet and the felt. Taking an iron to your felt will get all the wrinkles out. Interesting that you use your body to keep the side count for the 8's and 9's in a 6 deck or 8 deck game. How would such a count handle in a double-deck game? Do you think by tracking 8's and 9's in a deck or decks it would be better for playing decisions when a player gets dealt a hard 12 or 13 and they want to double down? In the video on the first round you dealt an A7 vs. 2, depending on what rules your playing to H17 or S17 you would either double down or stand.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; March 15th, 2015 at 10:17 PM.

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    Default Lestat d' Blackjack

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    Reminds me of JSTAT in that way. No one who has any real expertise is taking his claims seriously.
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    You don't even know me. I have plenty of witnesses of me winning at blackjack card counting. I will debate Norm, Schlesinger, etc. on any gambling podcast, such as "Gambling with an Edge". Let the audience determine who is truthful. At least they use their real names! I use my real name in some of my YouTube videos and don't hide behind an alias such as John Doe
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    *sigh*

    Here we go. It's been a long time.

    As I recall, you have some unusual counting system similar to the classic ten-count. Of course it can win. Anything can win... sometimes. But as I remember, it may even be EV-positive, though it's an unusually weak count for common games.

    What are the simulation results, such as SCORE, for this system, and how does its performance objectively compare to other popular counts?

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    Reminds me of JSTAT in that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    You don't even know me. I have plenty of witnesses of me winning at blackjack card counting. I will debate Norm, Schlesinger, etc. on any gambling podcast, such as "Gambling with an Edge". Let the audience determine who is truthful.
    Speak the devil's name, are you crazy??
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    *sigh*

    Here we go. What are the simulation results, such as SCORE, for this system, and how does its performance objectively compare to other popular counts?
    Excerpt from Snyder's Top-100 Comparison 1981 --

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    welcome old friend, great to hear from you!

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    First of all, Norman refused to simulate the JSTAT Count, probably because his software doesn't support the ace and 8/9 side counts. Therefore, the stats provided by Zg from Arnold Snyder are incomplete and robbing the count of its true potential. But we can agree that Snyder is entertaining...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    *sigh*

    Here we go. It's been a long time.

    As I recall, you have some unusual counting system similar to the classic ten-count. Of course it can win. Anything can win... sometimes. But as I remember, it may even be EV-positive, though it's an unusually weak count for common games.

    What are the simulation results, such as SCORE, for this system, and how does its performance objectively compare to other popular counts?
    Your fault JohnDoe......for mentioning him in another thread. Ever hear of "let sleeping dogs lie".

    I am just kidding. JSTAT is ok in my book. And howdy JSTAT...hope you are well. Hey, I didn't get my mail today....do I complain to you or are you done with that 'gig'? (hopefully retired with a nice pension)

    I disagree with alot of his (JSTAT's) ideas, especially when he was really going strong with the notion that Hi-lo was a fraud perpetrated by the casinos that didn't work.

    BUT, as much as I disagreed with some of his ideas and statements, I think he had a right to express them. Just as long as others got to argue his points. THIS is a kind of policing of the community by each other and not allowing this is where Norm went wrong.

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    Agree with KJ above. But JSTAT, honestly, as to your count..........primarily a 10 count. When you add the side count for 9's and 8's aren't you really changing it to a multi-level count, increasing the difficulty sizeably?

    You could probably very well sim your count on CVDATA. I only have CVBJ and CVCX. What's wrong with you doing it yourself and then posting the results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Your fault JohnDoe......for mentioning him in another thread. Ever hear of "let sleeping dogs lie".
    Totally. Me and my big mouth.

    I have no problem with people posting their ideas and all, they should be free to do so. Just as we're free to point out likely BS, refute claims, and demand evidence...

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    Jstat's 10-count IS ideal for the variety of 20s ilk side bets and superior for insurance.
    Jacobson's analysis appears to negate its value for the baccarat side bet.

    The count has been around since the 60s, contrary to Jstat's claim of discovery.
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    That seems right; nothing wrong with specialty counts for special circumstances. But it shouldn't be claimed it's better in any other context.

    In my early counting days my gal would accompany me, and do a (perfect) insurance count, while I did the main count. Worked out pretty well. But if she used her count to make betting decisions, she wouldn't do so well, even though she'd still win sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I disagree with alot of his (JSTAT's) ideas, especially when he was really going strong with the notion that Hi-lo was a fraud perpetrated by the casinos that didn't work.
    I never understood what JSTAT was trying to say till watching the video at: It appears clear from the video evidence that JSTAT "learned to read" from public schools. Can you recognize JSTAT's misinterpretation of Braun's retraction?

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    Uh oh. He's been mentioned 3 times ... prepare for his return! (a la beetlejuice)

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