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    So I was underpaid on a winning carny type bet. I complained to the dealer, who insisted it was paid correctly. I appealed to the PB. This clueless PB has no idea, and if I read the body language correctly, defers to the dealer. Then rules in favor of the dealer. Now, I don't want to make a fuss because I don't want to get the boot. And, to be honest, I haven't researched the state commission's rules so don't know if there are any quirks.

    So I come back to the table, playing dumb, and ask a new dealer how the particular bet in question is paid. It is affirmed that the original dealer is correct. I'm not liking it.

    I go home. I can't find any frigging rules; I imagine they're there somewhere, but whatever. So I contact the commission itself and appeal. I guess the commission has no idea and without my knowledge forwards it to the casino's middle management. Case resolved in my favor.

    HOWEVER, it's going to be clear as day to them that I'm an AP because I was already backed off, was playing unrated, and caught a rather subtle error.

    SO...was it worth it? And do you think there will be consequences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    So I was underpaid on a winning carny type bet. I complained to the dealer, who insisted it was paid correctly. I appealed to the PB. This clueless PB has no idea, and if I read the body language correctly, defers to the dealer. Then rules in favor of the dealer. Now, I don't want to make a fuss because I don't want to get the boot. And, to be honest, I haven't researched the state commission's rules so don't know if there are any quirks.

    So I come back to the table, playing dumb, and ask a new dealer how the particular bet in question is paid. It is affirmed that the original dealer is correct. I'm not liking it.

    I go home. I can't find any frigging rules; I imagine they're there somewhere, but whatever. So I contact the commission itself and appeal. I guess the commission has no idea and without my knowledge forwards it to the casino's middle management. Case resolved in my favor.

    HOWEVER, it's going to be clear as day to them that I'm an AP because I was already backed off, was playing unrated, and caught a rather subtle error.

    SO...was it worth it? And do you think there will be consequences?
    Maybe and maybe not.

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    Without knowing how much you were underpaid, we can't say if it was worth it. There is undoubtedly a price worth paying for longevity and being able to continue milking that game. It's not too different than allowing a hand to lose, rather than make a play that screams that you're an obvious AP. (Such as hitting or surrendering an 18 against a dealer 19 in BJ.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    Without knowing how much you were underpaid, we can't say if it was worth it. There is undoubtedly a price worth paying for longevity and being able to continue milking that game. It's not too different than allowing a hand to lose, rather than make a play that screams that you're an obvious AP. (Such as hitting or surrendering an 18 against a dealer 19 in BJ.)
    Not much. $45. I don't really play there that much because of the back-off, but I worry about affiliated casinos. They don't expect me to AP other games, but the jig may be up.

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    Honestly, I would bet that the "management" will note somewhere any complaint made to the commission. I don't see how they could afford not to. So your "name" which had to be added to the complaint will be somewhere in their records. Since you were backed off and they know who you are at that particular casino, and now you have a complaint with a "governmental" agency on file, I'm sure they will keep it for their records. But for $45, doubt they make TOO big a deal about it.

    It depends on what the corporate entity is....(and their particular policies).......some places/entities share info with all their affiliates; some just share locally. Some just make a note in their own database. Let's hope the last alternative is the one they choose.

    It's a problem with the evil empire (Caesars/Harrahs) and MGM/MLife owning SO MANY casinos. They all have access to each other's sister properties' info and databases.

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    For $45 I would have whined to the floor a lot, but no further, personally. Unless the game was not that useful.

    But who knows, maybe they won't catch your play. Only one way to find out..

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    I'm not fretting about the complaint itself. It was the right thing to do. It was a mispay that the peons refused to correct because of a combination of ignorance and arrogance. If my name is recorded, so be it. My concern is that I've been backed off previously for AP in that casino. It would be quite a shame if this incident caused me problems in a completely different casino!

    I don't usually play in a casino that backs me off, for obvious reasons. Part of it is I assume that if I give them respect, they will give me some respect and not go out of their way to fuck me over. But I decided to take their back-off instructions a bit literally, and play some games that I was "welcome to play," unrated of course. To get a comp, I ended up giving my card to a PB on a different game than this (I'm not worried about getting kicked out when I'm playing -EV, not 86ed, and clearly within the intent of their back-off). This same PB sees me playing my game of choice later, and tells the dealer to stop dealing for an unknown reason. I didn't wait to find out because I guessed she had previously noticed something on the screen was going to get verification that I could play from the manager. Point is, I don't think they have to evaluate my play to decide whether they want me playing it or not. I don't think they want me playing anything that is potentially vulnerable. Some places tell me "You're welcome to play slots but no table games." This one just happened to use a different line, so I took it literally.
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