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    I think they know I count but they think I am really bad at it. I am too often doing things they do not understand.


    Translation: I suck at counting.

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    T3 is doing things even he doesn't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopGunWon View Post
    T3 is doing things even he doesn't understand.
    LOL, that's a good one.

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    "I'm not an expert on this subject but I'll comment anyway" - T3
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
    T3: Talk The Talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    "I'm not an expert on this subject but I'll comment anyway" - T3
    LOL, nice.

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    In an effort to direct this thread back towards it's intended topic, I found this quote (in the maximum acceptable loss thread), by Boz's friend T3 to be quite revealing.

    “I am conservative and bet Ό kelly so I would bet half of what he recommended”.

    Now I, a professional, card counter, blackjack player, do play to a small fraction of Kelly, just as most professional level players do. We do this because of the variance and swings that are associated with playing professionally (or any kind of legitimate play).

    But here's where I am confused about T3's statement. How many times have we seen him state that he, the world's greatest player, playing the world's greatest count, doesn't experience the kinds of variance and swings that us lowly mortal players do. He the BJ God among us, has found a way to eliminate the variance. I believe the quote was that “he hits his EV every few hours”.

    So then why would he need to play to such a conservative fraction of Kelly, as the rest of us do? If he is telling the truth, he could play to full Kelly and have absolutely no concerns of RoR issues.

    If he was telling the truth......

    You know what....I think I can stop right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    In an effort to direct this thread back towards it's intended topic
    Thank you. I can always count on KJ to only post about things I actually want to talk about.

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    by Boz's friend T3
    Whoa! Did I offend you?

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    So then why would he need to play to such a conservative fraction of Kelly, as the rest of us do? If he is telling the truth, he could play to full Kelly and have absolutely no concerns of RoR issues.

    If he was telling the truth......
    This goes back to the first thing I said about his claims. You don't need to know he plays Spanish 21. You certainly don't need to know the exact count and methodology he's using. All you have to do is look at what he's saying. He says his EV doubles and his variance is cut in half. This is IMPOSSIBLE. Variance normally increases with EV. Sometimes he separates those into two different statements; so maybe we can call it all grossly misleading instead of impossible. But if we want to parse words, we're being fairer to him than he is to us. The only way he could conceivably partially achieve his stated results (and I'm NOT saying he can) is to bet sub-optimally. Logically, based on prior statements taken as true, he MUST be betting a fraction or improper fraction of Kelly. It's easy to guess that conclusion, but you can derive it from his statements. Presumably, he bets 1/4 Kelly because that's a solid strategy. It's also an indication that most of the abnormal things he says are, at best, totally irrelevant. Conversely, betting full Kelly is going carry the same ROR regardless of EV. So I don't think that T3 admitting that he uses a proven strategy and follows mathematical rules does a whole lot to undermine the logic or credibility of his patently illogical and incredible statements. Perhaps his betting ramp makes it easier to intuit his claims for those who didn't clearly see before?
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    I've had similar conversations with T3 in the past, mostly calling him out on the fanciful, unsupported claims. I think it was on backedoff.com. When I asked for evidence for his claims, his first response was that his special count couldn't be sim'd, at all. By any software. (Nonsense, of course.) When pressed as to why he therefore thinks this was a winning strategy, his response was that his historical/recent wins at the casino are evidence enough. Evidence good enough for any ploppy with a system.

    Frankly I believe he just enjoys being thought of as an expert in this little community, to feed his ego. Reminds me of JSTAT in that way. No one who has any real expertise is taking his claims seriously.

    The problem is, of course, too many people have let him continue making claims without demanding support, which can be dangerous for newbies. DonS has been thankfully calling him out a little more, recently.

    I really like that there's a study going on to determine the results from optimal, perfect play. It should put all of this nonsense to bed for good.

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    Good to see you here JohnDoe.
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    Frankly I believe he just enjoys being thought of as an expert in this little community, to feed his ego.
    One of the strange things (often overlooked) is that a couple years ago before T3's 'magical' transformation, when he still presented himself as a recreational low limit, red chip, player, when he was still "working on" his count, he made the statement that "he would be known as one of the BJ greats". And low and behold, he made this miracle transformation from part-time red chip player, to fulltime highly successful player employing this amaaaazing count that no one else can possible understand, let alone play. He telegraphed his intentions and then transformed himself into that "expert" at least in his little fantasy world.

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    Reminds me of JSTAT in that way. No one who has any real expertise is taking his claims seriously.
    I too have made this exact comparison to Norm, who dismissed it, but it is very close. And more important it discredits Norm, for allowing the platform for such claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    The problem is, of course, too many people have let him continue making claims without demanding support, which can be dangerous for newbies. DonS has been thankfully calling him out a little more, recently.
    There were people challenging his claims, legitimate professional players among others. Last summer was the big blowup at BJTF where 3 known professional players, myself included stood up and challenged T3's claims in a blowup that lasted several days. The end result, the other 2 well known professional players were suspended and eventually departed BJTF on their own. I stayed for a number of months continuing to try to challenge his outrageous claims each time he made one, and was eventually suspended twice and then banned. Several other high profile members left more quietly during this time, seeing that with Norm siding with, backing and allowing T3 this platform, there was no sense in standing up. Others such as bigplayer just began participating much less frequently.

    This blowup last July or August, was the point that Norm chose sides and allowed T3 the platform to become the fraud that he is and is the point that BJTF went from being a legitimate site to a voodoo site. Now nothing more than a handful of outcasts, all with an agenda of some kind (future books, to be known as the greatest, ect) talking back and forth supporting each other.

    Occasionally DonS or even Norm himself will present token resistance to some outrageous claim but it is few and far between and with 99% of claims made receiving no push back, all these ridiculous outrageous claims are just accepted as fact (at least their in fantasy world).
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    With recent revelations that T3's super-duper count and most of his outrageous claims didn't pertain to regular blackjack..... a major factor that he just happened to not disclose, there is one thing I would love to get an honest answer from Norm about.

    Did he (Norm) know that T3's super-duper count and all claims was in fact regarding blackjack variants such as SP21, when the big "blow-up" occurred last year? And if he didn't, at what point in the last year did he become aware of it?

    On the one hand it doesn't change all that much as far as Norm's mishandling of everything over the last year. His willingness to allow his site to become nothing more than a voodoo site over the principal of a non-challenging, non-policing policy.

    But on the other hand, it is quite possible, even probable that Norm was just as much a victim of T3's intentional misleading and misrepresentation as some of the rest of us. That would just make the whole incident and handling of this year long incident even sadder.

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    Thanks for the welcome back and the history. So much drama. I'm mostly here because I miss talking to people about blackjack and AP. At least people can talk freely here. (I'll take the good with the bad. It's so easy to ignore the nonsense elsewhere on this site, I don't know why people get so bothered by it.) I do wish more of the old experts were around. I miss Automatic Monkey! (one of the only folks here I've met in person!)

    I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. If the magical strategy is, in fact, for SP21, it doesn't change a thing. It wasn't presented that way, it was presented for blackjack. The whole SP21 thing might just be a saving-face move anyhow. People have such petty agendas.

    But really, for SP21 it's not that hard to beat hi-lo or other (blackjack) counts. It's a totally different game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    But on the other hand, it is quite possible, even probable that Norm was just as much a victim of T3's intentional misleading and misrepresentation as some of the rest of us. That would just make the whole incident and handling of this year long incident even sadder.
    Not sadder, funnier actually.
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    This week I have spent lots of time refining my system. Next week will be the same.


    Translation: After five years of practice, I've almost learned how to count cards.

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    Dear T3 aka Shred formerly@ Zen Zone; Carl Sagan, one of my heroes sent this message just for you from the hereafter"

    “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” - Carl Sagan

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    Our Lady comments on I-18
    Actually the I18 isn't the best set of indices to learn if you only play advantage counts with a simple system. Most of the I18 are negative TC indices so you would never or very rarely use them.

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    What a ridiculous statement! For multi-deck S17, I18 + Fab 4 + four extra for Catch 22 = 26 indices. FOUR of them are negative!! What ARE you thinking??

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