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    I came across a recent AP article that people might enjoy:

    How I won millions in casinos...
    ... then lost it all, and wound up in handcuffs




    IF YOU OWN A CASINO, a woman known as Miss Brown ranks among your worst nightmares. And you treat her that way. Over the last 10 years, she's been tossed from gambling joints, tackled by security guards, charged with trespassing, handcuffed in back rooms, relentlessly interrogated, arrested, and relieved of her hard-won earnings. She doesn't cheat, but she does play in a manner that casinos despise: using more advanced, so-called advantage-playing techniques that have won her some $3 million since 2006.

    Largely raised in Nevada by a casino dealer mom and a dad who, lore has it, dabbled in some bookmaking, Brown, now 38, first played slot machines and video poker with her aunt at 15. After a short run at UNLV, extra work in movies like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, a stint playing guitar in casino-lounge funk bands, and too many lost nights on ecstasy, she decided to follow in her mother's footsteps and become a dealer.

    When mom suggested that her daughter might do better as a card counter, Miss Brown ignored the suggestion. It wasn't until a few years later, in 2003, after a fellow dealer announced that he was quitting to card-count blackjack and take a shot at poker, that Miss Brown remembered the motherly advice. She figured that if he could do it, she could as well. She stocked up on instructional books, taught herself to beat casinos, and got to work. It went well -- at least before it went off the rails. Here she is, in her own words:

    IT FEELS AMAZING TO BEAT CASINO GAMES. Beyond the money you make, there's an emotional reward and a physical rush that comes from it. Nobody else at the table knows what you're doing. They're all playing on the square. They're not keeping count of the big cards and little cards being dealt, they're not tracking aces or sneaking peaks at the dealer's hole card. They're suckers, and you're out-housing the house.

    When I first started beating the house, I was manic, and that fed into it just perfectly. Between my mental state and being among the only girls who beat the games, I was one of the happiest people you'd ever meet. That all changed over time, but back then, when I was 30, in 2008, killing games on the regular, living and playing and traveling with people who were just like me, life seemed pretty ideal.

    >more > https://www.thrillist.com/travel/las...tricks-casinos
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    Is a good accounting, she seems now reformed somewhat.
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    Wow!! Does she speak the truth or does she speak the truth!!!! Huaaaa..

    I have often said that in my younger days the only thing better than APing was SEX!! Great times for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    Wow!! Does she speak the truth or does she speak the truth!!!! Huaaaa..

    I have often said that in my younger days the only thing better than APing was SEX!! Great times for sure.


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    What are you talking about? Nothing beats APing. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I wouldn't trade it for all the twats in China.
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    One of my favorite moments was when my flashing dealer went on break ... and the relief also was flashing her HC. I didn't budge that entire shift.

    Pretty much an AP-gasm.

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    Interesting story. It seems like she was putting her ass out there and after getting knocked up and caught with multiple fake ID's she finally slowed down. I'm not surprised to hear that. She got sloppy. She stepped out of her league jumping into the Ivey Room poker game, she didn't have a clear cut advantage to beat the poker players in that 200/400 game as she did playing Blackjack, big mistake. She claimed she lost over $500K in the Ivey Room over the course of a year which was borrowed and partially from her own bankroll. There is a little luck involved in poker but this woman was in way over her head and skill level to drop $500K with blinds at 200/400 in my opinion. If she was putting up all the cash to fund her poker playing possibly she wouldn't have been such a big loser. This chicks boyfriend should have stepped in somewhere and let her know in a nice way that she's getting her ass kicked and bleeding money at the Ivey Room. Where was common sense? I've never had the opportunity to play a hole card game at BJ in the casino where I had an idiot dealer exposing cards. She mentioned having to scout 200 dealers to find one moron showing the hole card. That's a shit load of dealers! That equates to a lot of scouting, a lot of time looking for an opportunity but with a network of AP's working together I'm sure the process can be sped up a bit. Vegas would seem like the perfect playground in which to hunt for that opportunity knowing how the dealer hire/fire rate at every casino in Vegas probably resembles a fast food employee turnout rate.
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    I wonder what this chick looks like. I'm trying to envision what kind of table image she took to the poker table with her. Knowing that she is a woman I'd have to figure that she had a stupid phone or some kind of electronic pad glued to her dick skinners surfing Facebook or some other social media garbage while at the table. That fits the profile of most modern American women who are young. Young women who make a lot of cash spend it as fast as they get it and most of them are very trendy. I also wonder if she had ear buds with music playing so she could easily tune out of the game while motioning up & down & side-to-side on her stupid phone screen all while bleeding money at the Ivey Room. I hope I am wrong. A 12% edge has to look real good when a person is getting their ass kicked on the poker table. Maybe she wasn't willing to put any moves on the players there but some of them may have been looking to do just that to her.
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    Scouting 200 dealers is surprisingly quick, at least when they're in close proximity, and you have practice with the kinds of things you're looking for. I'd expect that Vegas is pretty thoroughly picked-over, though, and far more competitive than other areas, where these kinds of crews are rarer. (I'm not sure that 1 in 200 is remotely accurate, either.) I haven't done any serious scouting there, but I've found a couple when casually looking.

    There are also different categories of flashing, partial information, etc., which is much more common than someone flashing every single card. It doesn't take much to get an edge. I had 3-4 dealers I knew were good, and while I looked for them I'd scout the rest. And if they weren't working, or were on the wrong game, I'd scout. All solo.

    I'm surprised that someone like this, who is obviously pretty well trained, and is apparently associated with solid professionals, would get so far in over her head with games she had no advantage in. She may as well have blown it in slot machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    Scouting 200 dealers is surprisingly quick, at least when they're in close proximity, and you have practice with the kinds of things you're looking for. I'd expect that Vegas is pretty thoroughly picked-over, though, and far more competitive than other areas, where these kinds of crews are rarer.
    In Colorado and Vegas I'm seeing a new pitch deal technique that affords far less HC opportunity ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    Scouting 200 dealers is surprisingly quick, at least when they're in close proximity, and you have practice with the kinds of things you're looking for. I'd expect that Vegas is pretty thoroughly picked-over, though, and far more competitive than other areas, where these kinds of crews are rarer. (I'm not sure that 1 in 200 is remotely accurate, either.) I haven't done any serious scouting there, but I've found a couple when casually looking.

    There are also different categories of flashing, partial information, etc., which is much more common than someone flashing every single card. It doesn't take much to get an edge. I had 3-4 dealers I knew were good, and while I looked for them I'd scout the rest. And if they weren't working, or were on the wrong game, I'd scout. All solo.

    I'm surprised that someone like this, who is obviously pretty well trained, and is apparently associated with solid professionals, would get so far in over her head with games she had no advantage in. She may as well have blown it in slot machines.
    I'm not sure how fast a single person can scout Vegas casinos looking for an opportunity knowing that the casinos there seem spaced out between one another, but if they were in close proximity I could see it being done quick. I'm sure she gave 200 dealers as an example but it could be more or less. With the number of casinos that Vegas has I'd expect that there would be more opportunity to find a HC game. I would have to figure that partial information given up by the dealer is more prevalent than seeing the entire card. Like you I'm a bit surprised that a lady who has worked in the industry as a dealer, then hooking up with a Blackjack player who spoon fed her on her first HC game and meeting a HC crew making big scores could run into so much trouble. I've detected collusion in poker games in the casino among different blind levels. Cheating at poker is prevalent, it's everywhere at any blind level regarding cash poker games. Poker collusion is one of the easiest forms of cheating in & out of the casino in my opinion. If a player doesn't think it's happening, then they are the sucker. According to R. Marcus it's prevalent out West.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    In Colorado and Vegas I'm seeing a new pitch deal technique that affords far less HC opportunity ...
    .... Have you encountered that which I speak of yet?
    Not sure what you're talking about specifically. Like I said I'm not all that active these days (kids). I've seen more "pitch" games being dealt from shoes these days though. When I asked about it the floor guy grumbled about how "hot young girls can't deal worth a damn."

    But fwiw, ALL of my prime HC games were dealt from a shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I'm not sure how fast a single person can scout Vegas casinos looking for an opportunity knowing that the casinos there seem spaced out between one another, but if they were in close proximity I could see it being done quick. I'm sure she gave 200 dealers as an example but it could be more or less. With the number of casinos that Vegas has I'd expect that there would be more opportunity to find a HC game. I would have to figure that partial information given up by the dealer is more prevalent than seeing the entire card. Like you I'm a bit surprised that a lady who has worked in the industry as a dealer, then hooking up with a Blackjack player who spoon fed her on her first HC game and meeting a HC crew making big scores could run into so much trouble. I've detected collusion in poker games in the casino among different blind levels. Cheating at poker is prevalent, it's everywhere at any blind level regarding cash poker games. Poker collusion is one of the easiest forms of cheating in & out of the casino in my opinion. If a player doesn't think it's happening, then they are the sucker. According to R. Marcus it's prevalent out West.
    That's a big reason I won't go near poker. And the house has little incentive to put a stop to it.

    Partial information could apply to seeing part of a card, but it could also apply to getting information in specific circumstances, rather than every hand. Most of mine were like this. It reduces the edge of course (especially when you remove obvious plays), but it's still pretty sweet.

    Milked those for years, and I was confident no other AP played them. That surprised me at first, but after reading JG's comments, it shouldn't be too surprising. Counters tend to have tunnel-vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    In Colorado and Vegas I'm seeing a new pitch deal technique that affords far less HC opportunity ...
    .... Have you encountered that which I speak of yet?
    Agreeing with JD; seems that some house are now going to dealing DD out of a shoe v. truly pitching the cards. And they are therefore dealt face up; which makes it a lot easier to count, though.

    If not this, please enlighten us. LOL

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