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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I have also used a stereo-typical, "gay" persona, at the tables a handful of times as cover/misdirect
    Some guy, about my age, was definitely using a gay persona at a table a few months ago. He complimented a woman on her purple shirt because it was his favorite color. He played like an idiot with minimum bets, and some old guy gave him a basic strategy card and referred him to the Wizard of Odds website. Was this you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    don schlesinger responds - "You may not agree, but it really doesn't matter.Compared to a computer simulation, all the aspects you discuss, and one's entire lifetime of play, is nothing more than a blip on the computer screen. One or two standard deviations of the "superior" manner of playing, compared to the more "simplistic" manner, in all likelihood, wipes out the entire difference. In more brief terms, better lucky than good.


    I'm opposed to this argument, at the very least because it lacks specificity. Norm makes a similar argument as Don. Unrelated, but I'm also strongly opposed to Norm's hatred of empirical evidence. That implies only theoretical evidence can justify a conclusion; it also implies theory is not derived from empirical evidence. I guess his software is too advanced for mere mortals to observe anything relevant, which is probably why I can't even sim my count on it. Here's some empirical evidence. Everyone thinks that androgynous narrator is a creepy sex-offender.

    Don's post suggests to me that playing basic strategy and randomly making large bets would be nearly as effective as using a level 1 count over the course of one individual's life. We all (should) know that this is true for one session, but is false over the course of a very short period of time. Should be a matter of months or years, not decades or lifetimes, where a difference is unavoidable between level 1 and 2. Any radically different conclusion means that counting is completely pointless. Either Don's wrong, or he's making a misleading statement, or Katz and Parpaluck are right and counting doesn't work.
    Believe me, counting works. Whether it's blackjack, spanish 21 or card craps. Why do you think casinos throw out and ban APs?
    I play contract bridge and backgammon and you have to accurately employ counting in order to play effectively. All these games are mathematical constructs.
    Card counting has provided me a decent lifestyle for the last 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    Some guy, about my age, was definitely using a gay persona at a table a few months ago. He complimented a woman on her purple shirt because it was his favorite color. He played like an idiot with minimum bets, and some old guy gave him a basic strategy card and referred him to the Wizard of Odds website. Was this you?
    Nope. First of all...what is "about your age"? I have no idea what age range you are in.

    Secondly, mention of any AP related or even gambling related website, or book is negative EV. It says: hey I know at least a little bit about this game. At that point it becomes the pits job to find out just how much you know. It's just a red flag or 'alert' that is unnecessary and completely non beneficial, IMO. Much the same as advising a fellow player of the best play. I don't see any benefit to that. Only negatives can come from it, IMO.

    And finally, if playing rated, an indication that you know just a little something, even something indicating you know basic strategy....will get you a lower rating. Depending on how long you play, they likely may figure some things out, but no need to aid them in this by announcing anything. I just don't see any scenario where this is beneficial.

    Back to the gay persona for cover/misdirect: A lot of blackjack AP's have done this. I remember Josh Axelrad speaking of this in his book. As a matter of fact, I thought he might be gay prior to talking privately with him.

    Here's one problem with using the gay persona as cover/misdirect. You want (pit) people like you. It's better if they don't notice you, but if and when they do notice you, you want to be likeable. Just being likeable may buy you some time, especially if you are playing within limits tolerated and aren't creating a situation that anyone has to answer for (like a massive win). So conversely, being disliked or unlikeable may work against you. And in the case of playing the "gay card", you don't know that pit persons feelings on that. You may just be rubbing them the wrong way. <- joke possibilities there.

    And one final piece of advise for any straight guys playing the gay persona: If you find yourself in bed (or the mens room) with a guy from the pit or a guy from the table....you might just have taken the act a bit too far.
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    I love that all this Tthree nonsense is finally coming to light. We knew he was a total fraud, and it's all been confirmed. There is no ambiguity about it whatsoever. He was totally misleading people to think it was a BJ strategy all this time.

    Glad to see him called out, especially by DonS. But it's not nearly enough, and Norm pulled the plug before it got good. People need to know Tthree is a con, and Norm does a real disservice to his users by not letting it play out properly. Maybe because it makes Norm look bad, too.

    KJ: I'd buy your book in a second.

    If the gay persona thing is effective as cover, it's nice to be actually gay, as the "cost" of giving your partner kisses and such on wins in front of the pit is much less! I've wondered if they tend to back off minorities and protected classes less often, so as not to seem non-PC or have to deal with fallout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I have in my mind a title, something like The Kewl Life, a journey through life and blackjack. But who knows what it will actually be. It is still a ways off and I am not really ready to talk much about it until I get more serious about putting the work into it and it gets closer.


    And yes CP, I will mention the "deathgate" incident. Only because there will be a chapter on AP forums, and forum wars and the strong ego personalities involved and all the pissing matches. I can't include a chapter (or two) on the topic of AP/blackjack forums and not acknowledge the "deathgate" incident. That would be dishonest. I don't "cherry pick" what I share. I have always been a share the good and the bad kind of guy.
    The book sounds better and better...............and topical. Get "yo' ass" to work and "bang" it out as soon as possible. I think the wider inclusion of the different elements would make a good read. My only issue would be disclosure to the various casino "mafia" but it's probably NOT like they don't know about the forums, etc. and AP networking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Nope. First of all...what is "about your age"? I have no idea what age range you are in.

    Secondly, mention of any AP related or even gambling related website, or book is negative EV. It says: hey I know at least a little bit about this game. At that point it becomes the pits job to find out just how much you know. It's just a red flag or 'alert' that is unnecessary and completely non beneficial, IMO. Much the same as advising a fellow player of the best play. I don't see any benefit to that. Only negatives can come from it, IMO.

    And finally, if playing rated, an indication that you know just a little something, even something indicating you know basic strategy....will get you a lower rating. Depending on how long you play, they likely may figure some things out, but no need to aid them in this by announcing anything. I just don't see any scenario where this is beneficial.
    I read your age somewhere I thought, but I can't remember where. I'm pretty sure we're within a couple of years. Without giving too much away, let's say the range is 25-39.

    No the old guy gave the "gay" guy a basic strategy card and told him to read the Wizard of Odds because the young guy was apparently so stupid. The old guy wasn't an AP, and the younger guy wasn't playing rated. The younger guy was not successful in being likable. He was very distracting to the entire table. Probably wasn't you. But this behavior of his was so strange, it did NOT seem natural. So when you mentioned the persona, it reminded me of this.

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    What you don't seem to get is I don't care how what I do compares to others. I want to get the most out of the position I put myself in. I posed that I am a backcounter

    Hey look everyone. T3's a backcounter now. For the last year, he's been posting apparently made-up numbers that compare backcounting hi-count situations with a hi-level count and full indices, to a play-all player with a normal counting strategy. Then he passes off the difference as his magic count without ever mentioning that one is wonging 99% of the hands.

    Didn't I say not two days ago that he simply wongs in at high counts? WOW T3, you're such a fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    What you don't seem to get is I don't care how what I do compares to others. I want to get the most out of the position I put myself in. I posed that I am a backcounter

    Hey look everyone. T3's a backcounter now. For the last year, he's been posting apparently made-up numbers that compare backcounting hi-count situations with a hi-level count and full indices, to a play-all player with a normal counting strategy. Then he passes off the difference as his magic count without ever mentioning that one is wonging 99% of the hands.

    Didn't I say not two days ago that he simply wongs in at high counts? WOW T3, you're such a fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svengarlicky View Post
    "Everybody's full of shit on some level." - Anonymous
    And here is some deep deep history insight into how T3 arrived at his geniushood...

    Originally Posted by MJGolf
    .how much time did it ACTUALLY take you to master/learn your count.



    My count took about 2 months to do perfectly and use in the casino. Speed and comfort with the fastest dealers took another 6 months of play. For Hiopt2/ASC I was transitioning from Hiopt1/ASC so it didn't take but a few weeks to be perfect and fast. I started using Hiopt1/ASC when I tried to figure out a way to beat BJ at the age of 18. Many years later I found out it was a count called Hiopt1/ASC and got accurate indices instead of my back of a napkin estimates. I just learned that in a week after I decided what cards were most important to track for betting and playing and a way to maximize both types of decisions (counting the ace separately from the other cards).

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    and here, T3 sucks Don... again; as he drinks another ... pint of sumthin

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    Originally Posted by DSchles
    "Most of the I18 are negative TC indices so you would never or very rarely use them."

    Sigh. What a ridiculous statement! For multi-deck S17, I18 + Fab 4 + four extra for Catch 22 = 26 indices. FOUR of them are negative!!

    What ARE you thinking??

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    Thanks Don. I can always count on you to point out when I am wrong. I was going from memory of indices I never used and comments people make. Actually my statements application would include TC 0 which makes the number 6 and 1 more for the Fab 4 but I was still quite wrong. The pint was really that your I18 would change if you only played positive counts. The hand frequency would change which changes the weight of the indices in addition to needing 6 more indices to make it 18 indices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    And here is some deep deep history insight into how T3 arrived at his geniushood...

    Originally Posted by MJGolf
    .how much time did it ACTUALLY take you to master/learn your count.



    My count took about 2 months to do perfectly and use in the casino. Speed and comfort with the fastest dealers took another 6 months of play. For Hiopt2/ASC I was transitioning from Hiopt1/ASC so it didn't take but a few weeks to be perfect and fast. I started using Hiopt1/ASC when I tried to figure out a way to beat BJ at the age of 18. Many years later I found out it was a count called Hiopt1/ASC and got accurate indices instead of my back of a napkin estimates. I just learned that in a week after I decided what cards were most important to track for betting and playing and a way to maximize both types of decisions (counting the ace separately from the other cards).
    Take a leaf out of T3s book and transition your counting system so that in just few weeks you too will be perfect and fast. No kidding.

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    So T3's biggest fan, Flash, who I consider a co-conspirator to T3's agenda of misleading fraud, shows up after being MIA and the first thing he does is post about how T3 is an expert at reducing variance (card counting as a career thread). 21forme informs Flash that T3's claims have been thoroughly debunked over the past few days, to which Flash replies (in his usual big bold print) What are you referring to ~ What was debunked and by whom ? You could just see him "itching" to defend T3. I presume this sends Flash off reading up on other threads. I was waiting for him to come back defending T3....but that never happened. Not much to defend, I guess.

    Now speaking of this "card counting as a career" thread, which was started by favorite whipping boy ZeeZebar. "Zee" rubs many people the wrong way. He most definitely can be annoying. Sometimes I believe that is his goal. But he clearly exposes what is a double standard as members of "the chosen few club" like Freightman are allowed to attack and insult him at will.
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    Perilous Pete. The sports betting expert. He always has the tough games. Virginia is a 17.5 point dog, beats Clemson in the biggest upset of the year. PP had the Virginia straight up. Of course, he bet at another casino and didn't have the ticket. This happened numerous times. PP has "never" lost a bet. An expert in 6 or 8 different sports. However, no one has ever seen PP place a bet. He is always begging drink coupons.

    Point is, people get sick of that shit real quick. Perilous Pete now sits alone and reads a book. When people see him coming they veer off in another direction or worse with words like "go away" or "shut up you stupid shit."

    Kind of a sad story. But very familiar to T3.

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    Zee and Lee. The ultimate patsies.

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