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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Here's my prosecutor, he's your neighbor -
    http://www.bakerlaw.com/johnjcarney/ < ask him if I paid any restitution.
    Means there's nothing to restore...

    It's fun pretending that it's him anyway isn't it guys?

    Still trying to figure out the best time to jump back on the site over there since I haven't violated any rules or anything.

    By the way, when you call someone a sycophant who is being a sycophant it's not a personal attack and its not a conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villiam View Post

    Still trying to figure out the best time to jump back on the site over there since I haven't violated any rules or anything.
    High percentage chance you'll be immediately or almost immediately banned so long as you are active here. He'll just lie if anyone questions it; you've seen him in action. You could join WoV and tell them after Norm banned you, you met KJ and think he's really awesome. That'll rev up the crowd over there, who all hate Norm and love KJ. LOL.
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    I don't have enough clout or devotees one way or the other, and I wish to earn that faithfully and then spit on it. I know that I am allowed to think here and that's neat. It would be funny. I might be looking for some big coffin nail still but I also might just have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    You could join WoV and tell them after Norm banned you, you met KJ and think he's really awesome. That'll rev up the crowd over there, who all hate Norm and love KJ. LOL.
    Actually the WoV crowd's love of KJ has pretty much faded away. Norm has managed to accomplish his goal of silencing me and the uproar that Shackleford helped or allowed him to do so, has quieted down. They do hate Norm though, the membership ran him off that site, not that he cares, he never intended to participate there, only re-emerged after a 5 year, 9 month absence to get me silenced and he accomplished that.

    How do you even know what goes on at WoV? You are not even the Boz that participates there. (or so you say...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villiam View Post
    Is this actually N0rm? Love his logo if that's the case.
    His actual words, yes.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Such a rich history!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Actually the WoV crowd's love of KJ has pretty much faded away. Norm has managed to accomplish his goal of silencing me and the uproar that Shackleford helped or allowed him to do so, has quieted down. They do hate Norm though, the membership ran him off that site, not that he cares, he never intended to participate there, only re-emerged after a 5 year, 9 month absence to get me silenced and he accomplished that.

    How do you even know what goes on at WoV? You are not even the Boz that participates there. (or so you say...)
    I think they still love you. It seemed to be a pretty intense and unwarranted kind of love. Unwarranted because they're basically a bunch of non-APs--I don't understand why they love you (maybe you crowdfunded some of their movie ideas??). I imagine they just got tired of crying about it. I think they'd welcome you back like a child that went missing.

    No, I'm definitely not that Boz. After Norm accused me of being that Boz and saying something completely benign, I skimmed through most of what went on there to see what the big deal was (Norm causes most of his own drama, remember?). When I came here, I went through it a bit slower. I don't know what's going on there right now, but I did read the whole KJ/Norm battle. And I read the bash on Norm drama that continued for like three weeks. That was the best part. "Norm, we just lost our best poster because of you. And you're still here. And we hate you." Response: "I'm cool guys, seriously, you guys are wrong. You don't hate me, stop making false accusations. I don't have time for this."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villiam View Post
    Such a rich history!
    ZG was the best poster at BJTF, hands down. That title passed to me upon his exit and my brief reemergence. Nobody over there is funny, except Lonewolf, but it's only funny because I'm not the one being annoyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    ZG was the best poster at BJTF, hands down. That title passed to me upon his exit and my brief reemergence. Nobody over there is funny, except Lonewolf, but it's only funny because I'm not the one being annoyed.
    So N0rm decided to lose his best two posters *snap*, just like that. The immense stress that must be attached to running a Blackjack website when you don't have time for this must take an immense toll on what is left of his sanity. As time went on, that became increasingly more evident.

    I think it might be time for N0rm to retire and read his book endlessly, over and over while babbling and mumbling as he watches endless reruns of My Little House on the Prairie. N0rm, your time has come... mate. Let T3 take over - your loyal and trusted suck - she deserves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    ZG was the best poster at BJTF, hands down.
    That's kind of you Boz0, but I must pass that accolade to the KewelJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    That's kind of you Boz0, but I must pass that accolade to the KewelJ.
    Well, I don't think I deserve that, but I did try. I don't think you tried that hard ZG. Of course you probably saw the writing on the wall, as most of us did, before there was even a wall to write on. From day one there was no question that ZG would be banned. The only question was how long he would last, and the details involved. Norm had to find a way to do, that made him look a least (vindictive) as possible. And after ZG bit the dust, Ouchez (CP) moved into no 1 on Norm's "most wanted (out)" list.

    I think the dishonesty is what was most disturbing. I think I would have had more respect for Norm if at the beginning he just said "look, it is my site and I don't want the following people here".

    He is just a very dishonest person, and then when and if you do start to communicate privately with him, you realize that is just the tip of the iceberg. He flat out is insane. Completely delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post

    I thought some here might enjoy my reply, so I am reposting it here:

    ... Anyone that has ever communicated privately with Norm knows that he is absolutely nuts. I am not just name-calling....he is quite literally insane. He has no grasp on reality and everything is about everyone that has done him wrong throughout history. He has had long feuds with dozens (that's plural of dozen) of some of the most successful AP's in the community, including site owners. And everyone of these feuds involve him threatening to sue them or reporting them to some agency or oversight organization...
    Right, so there it is... a revealing revelation. N0rm is a Feud Freak [and a Kontrol Freak]... and has only kinda come out of his closet in recent years after he arranged for his own site.

    A long history of feuds is evident among the card-gambling community... what a surprise. Let me offer an informed guess: of all those dozens of feuds over the years, N0rm was the only one who was always ... right. Am I right?

    And KJ, I was one of many who always enjoyed your posts over there. They were most always inclusive, helpful, informative, open and truthfully honest; and never divisive and exclusive. You were a great asset there, as was Zengrifter and many others who are now history. But N0rm is compelled to eventually shoot himself in the foot... whatever he does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    That's kind of you Boz0, but I must pass that accolade to the KewelJ.
    KJ was already banned when I was reactivated. I'm sure KJ's posts were informative, but I'm not sure of their entertainment value--although Norm does delete half of them. So if it passed to KJ then I got it next.

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    In the last 8 months since I left BJTF, during numerous discussions with Wattenberger on other sites, I have made reference to the scores and scores of top players, knowledgeable players, some professional, some not, that once participated at BJTF, but has been either banned, or driven away or just decided on their own to stop participating at BJTF. Norm refuses to acknowledge that this is the case.

    So, funny thing, someone bumped at thread today entitled "My advice for making it ads an AP", a thread that was started in November 2013 by a member named (or handled as) "Percy". Percy was a pretty good poster at BJTF. A pretty knowledgeable fellow. And the post that started this thread was a pretty solid post. I don't think anything ground-breaking....a lot of common sense ideas, but well written and well received by the membership. Percy's post received 13 out 0f 14 on Norm's helpful rating system, which is pretty strong.

    But what caught my eye is the names of members that participated in that thread that no longer participate at BJTF. In addition to Percy (who started the thread),
    Solo Player, RWM (Richard Munchkin), Ouchez, Matt 21, and Wookets (author of my favorite BJ book), and myself, KJ, all posted in that thread. All pretty strong knowledgeable blackjack AP. All have disappeared from BJTF, one way or another, and most still participate at other sites, so they are still active in the community, they just don't participate at BJTF. Just like I have been telling Norman.

    But when you have the little clubhouse 5, the T person, Flasher, moses, freightcar, with Lawyer Frank leading the cheering section, who needs scores and scores of REAL, legitimate, successful blackjack AP's.
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    That site is occupied by T3, Flush, and people who they "trained".
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
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