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    The lowdown on Never Ever Craps

    1 September 2015

    By Frank Scoblete

    FROM DANNY: I read your articles all the time. Could you do one on the craps games called Never Ever Craps? This is the one where every number is a point. Is this a better game than traditional craps?

    Thanks so much.

    FRANK RESPONDS: Never Ever Craps is often called Crapless Craps because you cannot lose on a craps number during a come-out roll. There is no donít pass bet at this game.

    In traditional craps, a 7 or 11 will win on the pass line and the 2, 3 and 12 will lose. The player has a 2-to-1 advantage on the come out because the 7 and 11 will appear eight times and the 2, 3 and 12 will appear four times.

    This wonít happen in Never Ever Craps because the come-out roll does not count the craps numbers as wins or losses; these numbers would become points just as all the other numbers do. However, the 11 does not win on the come out either. It too becomes a point number. Still, it looks great that you can win on the 7 six times and not take any losses.

    But looks can be deceiving. Because the 11 appears two times during come outs in regular craps, not winning on it during Never Ever Craps creates a house edge of 5.38%, almost four times worse than the 1.41% on the traditional pass line wager.

    Letís take a look at how Never Ever Craps stacks up against regular craps:

    Pass line (no odds): 1.41% traditional craps
    Pass line (no odds): 5.38 N.E.C.

    Pass line with 1x odds: 0.85% traditional craps
    Pass line with 1x odds: 2.94% N.E.C.

    Pass line with 2x odds: 0.57% traditional craps
    Pass line with 2x odds: 2.02% N.E.C.

    Pass line with 3x odds: 0.47% traditional craps
    Pass line with 3x odds: 1.54% N.E.C.

    Pass line with 5x odds: 0.33% traditional craps
    Pass line with 5x odds: 1.04% N.E.C.

    You can see how Never Ever Craps takes a much larger percentage of your pass line wager than traditional craps. The place bets of the 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10 have the same house edge as at traditional craps:

    4, 10 = 6.67%
    5, 9 = 4.0%
    6, 8 = 1.52%

    The place bets on the 2, 12 (which pay 11 to 2) come in with a house edge of 7.14%.
    The place bets on the 3, 11 (which pay 11 to 4) come in with a house edge of 6.25%.

    Given a choice between playing traditional craps or Never Ever Craps, the wise move is to stick to tradition.

    Frank Scoblete's new book is "I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps!"

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    I'll never ever play Never Ever Craps. This game is one example how casinos have twisted the game of Craps into Bullshit, and some people love it. Can't get enough of that Never Ever.

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    The 5 Hidden Secrets of Craps that everybody Should Know

    By Frank Scoblete
    Sep 24 2015
    casino pros, craps

    I am a degenerate gambler, degenerating all the time at craps.
    Actually, I’m not. I was just kidding. I merely played a degenerate craps player on stage in New York (so far off-Broadway it was in another borough).

    I was an actor in the 1970’s and 80’s, and in 1988 (or so) I played the role of the degenerate craps player Joe Grady in Frank D. Gilroy’s The Only Game in Town.
    Warren Beatty played Joe in the movie version. I heard he was okay.

    I had some great scenes in the play where I emoted all over the stage. Let me tell you something, I am a great emoter,one of the best. I did have one little problem though; I had no idea what I was emoting about.

    In the end, Joe Grady has an incredible run at the craps table which he tells his lady-love-showgirl Fran. He hit all sorts of yo’s, hardways, horns, worlds and heaven knows what else. My problem was clear: What the heck were all these bets I was emoting over? I didn’t even know how the game of craps was played? Why was the game even called craps? It sounded pretty disgusting to me if you want to know the truth.

    So I asked my co-star Alene Paone – who would eventually become my wife – if she wanted to go to Atlantic City to take a look at the game. She agreed.


    First stop, the Claridge, the hotel of my conception after World War II. You can say that I won my biggest lottery the night of my conception, beating all those other sperm to my mother’s egg. Dear readers, you won your conception lottery too. You’ll never have as big a win as that ever again.

    At the Claridge I met the man who changed my life; the Captain, who took me under his wing. I soon discovered that the Captain had developed methods of craps play that were unique. He was the leader of a band of 22 high rolling players known as the Crew. These guys knew all about all those bets I had to emote about in The Only Game in Town.

    The Captain let me know clearly the following: All those bets your character made were bad bets. It’s obvious that he will go back to the casinos and lose his money based on how he bet. You don’t have a chance at craps if you make high house-edge bets. Frank, your play doesn’t have a happy ending for Joe Grady; it has a sad ending. Audiences might not realize that since Joe is celebrating a big win.

    Over the years, the Captain taught me and I learned more from him than from any book I ever read or expert I ever met. I will go through his ideas in future articles but here is the essence of his teaching:
    1. Do not bet big on other shooters. Save your money to bet on yourself.
    2. Only make the lowest house-edge bets so that the game is as close to 50/50 as it can get.
    3. Keep a separate account for your gambling money.
    4. Make your bets low in comparison to your total bankroll.
    5. Learn how to become a rhythmic roller.

    Like Joe Grady, most craps players want those big wins, those monster nights with one or more shooters having monstrous hands. Sadly such hands are few and far between. The average length of a craps shooter’s hand is about eight rolls. Fortunes aren’t made that way.

    Since craps is a negative expectation game (yes, your expectation is to lose the more you play) every dollar you wager on a shooter is a dollar at risk over time.
    The Captain came up with a playing method called the 5-Count which reduces the number of rolls you bet on other shooters by 57 percent. I will explain the 5-Count in detail in an upcoming article.

    I play the 5-Count on other shooters but I add my own wrinkle to the Captain’s method. After the 5-Count is completed I will only make one bet on one shooter. That’s right, unlike most craps players who make multiple bets on a shooter I merely go with one.



    Last edited by Katz; October 2nd, 2015 at 03:56 AM.

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