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    Is anyone here a serious Bridge player? I'm thinking about joining a local Bridge club to learn how to play the game first and foremost, and to see what other games the people play there.

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    Default My first outing to a local Duplicate Bridge Club, Rejected

    Last night I attempted to visit a local Bridge Club within my area. This place was in a building dedicated to playing Bridge and I wasn't really sure what to expect on a Friday night after looking on their website calendar to see that there was going to be games in progress. When I got there I went up to the door and I noticed it was locked as I pulled on it although I could see several tables of teams in there playing. Next I rang the door bell and got their attention. I even gave them a friendly wave and a smile through the double set of locked doors. A middle aged woman started talking to me from within the building and it was like watching a mime put on an act because I couldn't hear a goddamn thing she was saying because of the double set of doors that were closed and locked. She finally opened the first set of doors and approached me with a middle aged guy and we started talking, I asked her/him if I could observe the night's action so that I could here the lexicon of the game while it's being played in order to learn the game. She agreed to let me in and told me to go to the side door and she would let me in. Several seconds later the guy was knocking on the front door and he said to come back tomorrow. That upset me and slightly pissed me off although I didn't show it. They wouldn't even let me in their precious Bridge Club to observe the action right after they told me they were going to let me in. They were probably scared to let me in. Terrified maybe because this group of card players was different than the local poker crowd that I play with. Their worst fear is that someone like myself picks up a partner, the game, and starts kicking their asses. They wouldn't be able to stand for that. What a bunch of stiffs!
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    Default 2nd visit to a different Bridge Club

    Today I took a little time out of my day to check out another Bridge Club. I was welcomed with open arms at this other gathering and got the chance to see the game of Duplicate Bridge being played. The people playing the game were friendly and one older gentleman allowed me to shadow his game and did his best on the fly to teach me a few things in the process. I seen similarities between the game of Bridge and hearts right off the bat as far as playing the game goes since it is a trick taking game. The bidding is slightly confusing but I'm sure it wouldn't take me long to pick it up if I wanted to continue to learn the game. After the pair I was shadowing moved to their second table, I pointed out to one older lady on the defending team that she missed a Small Slam before her partner had the chance to tell her after their second game was concluding because she didn't bid her hand right and I knew she had a monster hand with 2 longs suits. They could have ran 12 tricks and did. Even her partner displayed slight contempt for a missed opportunity. I think she got upset that I mentioned it to her and she got up and left the table for a moment. The guy that was teaching me seemed very astute at the game and told me that they play for something more than money, and he referred to Master Points. That really didn't strike me so well so I asked him if people play Bridge for cash. I wanted to know and was curious as to what he would say. He mentioned that some people do play for cash and that got me thinking. Duplicate Bridge wouldn't even be an option because I would want a shuffle after every game as the deal passes. Overall I would have to figure that most people don't play this game for cash, I was the youngest person in this gathering by a long shot. It wasn't quite strollers and rollers, definitely senior citizens though. While their I was able to meet an earger contact that lives near me and also got references to take an official class at other clubs. The only angle I want to learn about the game of Bridge is the cash angle and how to find local games if it's even possible. I wonder if these people will continue to teach me knowing that's the only aspect I'm really interested about.
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    Default "Inside NYC's Big-Money Bridge Scene"

    Not your grandma's game Million-Dollar Hobby: Inside the World of Big-Money Bridge By Greg Hanlon | 11/20/13 11:30am Comment (Illustration by Dale Stephanos.) A 20-something man played bridge with three old ladies this past Columbus Day. They played at the Honors Bridge Club on East 58th Street, where the median player age is well north of 70 and the air smells of coffee and heavily applied makeup. If you didn’t know any better, you’d think the young man was indulging his grandmother and her friends for an afternoon. But no. The young man was John Kranyak, a three-time junior world champion bridge player who now earns a living as a bridge “pro,” partnering with wealthy sponsors. That afternoon, Mr. Kranyak was working a shift in the employ of Melanie Tucker, a financier’s wife. Such partnerships are common here at the Honors, one of Manhattan’s three major bridge clubs and considered the most hoity-toity. Marjorie Wilpon, the wife of Ken Wilpon (who is first cousin to Mets owner Fred Wilpon), plays here. So does Justine Cushing, whose father was the developer of Squaw Valley. To this crowd, bridge isn’t just some time-passing activity for the idle elderly, but rather a serious competitive pursuit for people whose experiences in life have accustomed them to winning. Of the 11 tables devoted to high-level play that afternoon, eight contained partnerships between a client and a pro. The ubiquity of these pairings lends truth to the famous Mae West axiom that good bridge is like good sex: “If you don’t have a good partner, you’d better have a good hand.” The difference is that in bridge, it’s not considered untoward to pay for the privilege. For a weekday three-hour tournament at a club like the Honors, pros fetch anywhere from $150 to $225. As the stakes get higher, so do the rates. For regional tournaments, pros make in the neighborhood of $500 to $1,000 for a day, which consists of two three-hour tournaments. For larger national tournaments, pros make up to $3,000 per day, while the very best pros charge clients annual retainer fees of up to $200,000 and pull in seven-figure incomes. Judi Radin, a four-time world champion, has made her living from bridge for more than 40 years, since she was 17. It has been a jet-set lifestyle: She estimates that traveling to tournaments has taken her away from her Manhattan apartment for half of that time. But she told me that, for a bridge pro, New York is the place to be. “We’re lucky here. There are many more people here who want to hire people than anywhere else. New York and Florida are your best chances to really be busy and have a career of it,” Ms. Radin says. Like many pros, Ms. Radin considers herself close friends with some of her clients, with whom she regularly goes out to dinner and the theater. Melih Ozdil, a pro whose three regular clients include Ms. Cushing, gets his health insurance from one of his clients, though he declined to tell me which one. For clients with a difficult-to-exhaust supply of money, paying a pro is considered money well spent. “You play with a partner who’s better than you, and you try to learn to keep up your end, and it makes it more exciting,” Ms. Cushing explained, adding that her partnership with Mr. Ozdil has raised her level from average to above-average. Because rates for weekday club tournaments are comparatively low, many elite pros save themselves for regional, national and international tournament play. Almost all top players play with sponsors. As a result, top teams at American tournaments, which consist of three pairs, or six players per team, follow a peculiar configuration: one wealthy sponsor and five pros in the sponsor’s employ. Top sponsors pay $1 million or more to field their dream teams. “Imagine if you could pay LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan and Shaquille O’Neal and you could be the fifth guy,” Aviv Shahaf, director of the Honors, said. “And you were at a level that was decent but not NBA level. That’s basically what this is.” The big sponsors in New York tend to also be big players in finance. The two highest-paying sponsors are Frank T. “Nick” Nickell, CEO of Kelso & Company, a private equity firm, and Jimmy Cayne, the disgraced former CEO of Bear Stearns. Before she moved to Florida, Sylvia Moss, a former partner at the Blackstone Group, was one of the biggest sponsors in New York City. Martin Fleisher, owner of Dearborn Capital Partners, is another prominent bridge bankroller. Gail Greenberg at the Honors Bridge Club. (Photo by Amanda Lea Perez) (Mr. Cayne’s obsession with bridge is now an infamous part of financial history: When Bear Stearns saw its big hedge funds go under in 2007, an event considered a precursor to the firm’s collapse and the global financial meltdown the following year, Mr. Cayne was mysteriously incommunicado. The reason? He was at a bridge tournament in Nashville, cut off from the world. Now that he’s no longer encumbered by a day job, Mr. Cayne spends his time playing online at bridgebase.com under the username “jec.” In the aftermath of the Bear Stearns collapse, people would create accounts specifically to heckle Mr. Cayne during his matches, forcing site administrators to beef up security.) The tradition of sponsors in bridge dates back to the 1960s, when a wealthy Texas businessman named Ira Corn grew tired of American teams losing to Italian teams. In a fit of patriotic pique, Mr. Corn commissioned the best players money could buy to play with him. He set up a practice regimen, hired coaches and even used a computer to analyze hands. But it wasn’t until he stepped away from the table himself and rolled out a team of six professionals that the team, dubbed the Dallas Aces, began winning titles and brought bridge supremacy back to the States. America’s tradition of sponsor-backed bridge distinguishes it from other top bridge countries like Italy, Poland and the Netherlands, where the country itself pays tournament entry fees and, in some cases, runs national training programs. The tournaments become a matter of national pride, and top teams playing with six professionals often beat sponsor-handicapped American teams. While some blame the sponsor system for this, others say the American system produces better top-end players by incentivizing pros to train full-time to chase the big bucks. And though the sponsor system was lamented at first, it has become accepted in the intervening decades. Sponsors like Mr. Corn who decline to play are rare these days: If someone’s ponying up the cash for these players, they want to share in the glory. “These are competitive people who have risen through the ranks in business. They want to be out there playing,” said Augie Boehm, a Manhattan-based pro. At the same time, they want to make sure that they win, which means it’s customary for sponsors to play only 50 percent of the hands at a tournament, the bare minimum under the rules. “Any more, and it would be an ego trip,” Mr. Boehm added. I put the question to Mr. Shahaf, of the Honors, of whether hiring ringers was considered a cheap way to win. He answered my question with a question: “Was it cheating that LeBron wanted to play with Dwyane Wade? No. Someone wants to win, and he builds a good team.” *** That top-level bridge and Wall Street money are so intertwined shouldn’t be surprising; the game’s appeal to Wall Streeters is well established. Steve Weinstein, a pro who plays on Mr. Nickell’s team, was a former Wall Street derivatives trader who retired after 9/11 to play bridge full-time. Joe Grue, the New York Bridge Association player of the year in 2010, was a former options trader. David Einhorn, the hedge fund maven who was seemingly in line to own the New York Mets in 2011, is an avid bridge and poker player. Even the composition of upper management at Bear Stearns spoke to the connection between bridge and finance. It was bridge that brought Mr. Cayne to Bear Stearns in the first place: During his job interview with Alan “Ace” Greenberg, the company’s former CEO and a bridge devotee himself, the subject of the game came up. Mr. Cayne boldly declared that he was a better player than Mr. Greenberg and always would be and was rewarded for his moxie by being hired on the spot for $70,000. Warren Spector, former co-president, is a bridge player as well. Alan Schwartz, another former CEO, reportedly got ahead at the company when Mr. Cayne learned that he used to play bridge. A scion of money created the modern scoring system for bridge itself. In 1925, Harold Stirling Vanderbilt, while on a ship from Los Angeles to Havana via the Panama Canal, invented what’s known as “contract bridge,” wherein players must accurately assess how many “tricks” they will take at the beginning of the match based on their hands and draw up a “contract” that serves as the basis for the scoring. The reasons the game attracts business-oriented minds is fairly obvious: Bridge is competitive and limitlessly complex, involving an endless series of rapid short- and long-term calculations. Good bridge is like good sex: “If you don’t have a good partner, you’d better have a good hand.” The intellectual cost of entry is high. Jeff Bayone, proprietor of the Manhattan Bridge Club, another of the city’s three major clubs, believes you can’t even sit down to play bridge unless you’ve had 12 hours of lessons. Mr. Shahaf, of the Honors, told me you can’t hang with decent players until “a minimum of a year—and that’s if you have talent.” The analytical thinking required of bridge is also unique to the human brain. Computers can beat the world’s best chess players but not so in bridge. One reason for this is that the “bidding” stage at the beginning of a bridge match, wherein players determine the final “contract” in rounds, does not have a single, optimal solution at each point. Compare bridge to poker, its coarse cousin. While bridge is infinitely analytical, poker is more psychological: In high-level matches, every player at the table can compute the odds instantaneously, and what separates the best players from the pack is the ability to pick up “tells,” such as the furrowing of the brow as an indication of bluffing. Mr. Bayone said, “The best bridge players are, as a group, finance people, actuaries, lawyers. The best poker players are 19- to 22-year-old kids who have never done anything else.” Another difference is that money is central to poker, while bridge is played for no stakes other than “masterpoints,” a running tally of points that ranks players similarly to chess ratings. Thus, bridge satisfies the universal truth that those who have vast sums of money are loath to talk about it. Mostly, though, the nature of bridge presents an enduring intellectual challenge for people whose success in life leaves them seeking further challenges. It has a “comforting leveling aspect,” as psychiatrist Melvyn Schoenfeld, a regular at the Manhattan Bridge Club, put it. Take fashion mogul Isaac Mizrahi, who learned the game at the behest of his bridge-playing mother, who told him that, if he didn’t learn to play by age 30, he wouldn’t have any friends by 40. Mr. Mizrahi described a bridge tournament to me as “the most fantastic use of three hours of your life.” In bridge, he finds intellectual and psychological nourishment. “I think it’s really important to keep that state of vulnerability,” he said. “You have to give it up every once in a while. You have to walk into a room and be an idiot and not know what you’re doing. That’s the only way you can get anywhere in the world. And that’s the great lesson of bridge.” *** Located on the 14th floor of an office building on the east side, the Honors’s game room belies its regulars’ wealth. One-hundred-twenty-four players sit in an L shape at tightly packed tables under low ceilings. Many of the Styrofoam coffee cups bear large lipstick marks. The shades are drawn, shutting out the afternoon sunlight, and chatter is conspicuously absent; addicts are satisfying their fix. The scene at the Honors Bridge Club on a recent weekday afternoon. (Photo by Amanda Lea Perez) Of the three main public clubs in Manhattan, the Honors draws the most pros, while the Manhattan Bridge Club on the west side is considered the most informal, with the widest range of players. (Recently, there have been rumors that the Honors and the Manhattan are considering merging.) The third club is the Cavendish, on East 88th Street. “The pros you’ll find on the east side, because that’s where the money is,” said Mr. Bayone, of the Manhattan, before amending his statement: “The west siders may have the same money, but it’s a different mentality.” Bridge is often a featured activity at exclusive social clubs, like the Regency Whist Club on East 67th Street (“whist” is the game out of which bridge grew, as with rugby to football) and the Colony Club on East 62nd Street. But Manhattan socialites are as likely, if not more likely, to be found at the public clubs, whose relatively humdrum settings are outweighed by the frequency of the tournaments and the stronger competition. Is bridge a dying game in America? The average age for a member of the American Contract Bridge League, the game’s sanctioning body, is 67. In the 1940s, bridge was played in 44 percent of American homes, according to the Association of American Playing Card Manufacturers. There is no corresponding contemporary figure, but nobody would dispute that the percentage has dropped dramatically. Still, the raw numbers have held relatively steadily for nearly a half-century: In 1970, ACBL membership stood at 170,000. Today, that figure is 167,000, including 2,420 New York City residents. Meanwhile, the game is exploding in popularity in places like China, Russia and Eastern Europe. In an effort to cultivate future generations of American players, two of the game’s most famous devotees, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, put their heads and wallets together in 2005 on an initiative to promote bridge in American schools. Similar programs in chess have thrived, and bridge boosters say their chosen game’s emphasis on partnership makes for better lessons than chess, a one-on-one game that has been linked in psychological journals to paranoia. But the program fell on its face, with some blaming poor management and some others blaming a dumbed-down, instant-gratification-seeking American society. Yet the demographics of the game’s top players have gotten younger in recent years. In the past, it took decades to play enough hands to encounter enough situations to become elite. But now, because of the convenience of playing on the Internet, amassing enough experience takes a fraction of the time it used to. Mr. Shahaf told me that the peak age for a bridge player used to be the 40s and 50s; now, it’s the 30s. There’s enough interest in bridge among young people that places like the Honors will look the same 30 years from now as they do today, predicted Mr. Shahaf. “The bridge scene in New York hasn’t changed much for a very long time, and I doubt it will change much in the future.” CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story reported that Judy Wilpon plays bridge at the Honors. In fact, the player is Marjorie Wilpon. Marjorie Wilpon called the Observer to inform us that she has 3500 points. The Observer regrets the error. Comment Filed under: bridge, Fred Wilpon, Honors, Isaac Mizrahi, Jimmy Cayne, Judy Wilpon, Marjorie Wilpon, Not your grandma's game. http://observer.com/2013/11/million-...-money-bridge/

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    It's quite a game, and I play it semi-seriously. You will be using your full mental powers on every hand.

    For those unfamiliar, duplicate bridge is unique in that it is the only card game that does not involve luck. All the pairs in the tournament are playing the same hands, and you are scored by how well you played it compared to the others.

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    The game seems a lot like hearts to me when I last watched some duplicate bridge games in progress. Duplicate bridge really didn't seem to fun to play in my opinion, I have to say that I don't like the idea of how their isn't a shuffle in duplicate after the completion of a game but I realize that is how duplicate bridge is played. Everyone plays the same hands. I need to look into the other variations of bridge possibly. Auto Monkey have you ever played bridge for money with a partner? If so what variation of bridge did you play, or what variation is typically played for cash?
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    There are quite a few Bridge clubs in my state, local vicinity, and more people play the game than what I originally thought. With all of the No-Limit Hold'em poker that gets played locally and with all the local Bridge clubs it seems like blackjack doesn't get the same justice in my area as far as card games of skill go. I wonder why. Every local non-casino card club in my area is either a poker or bridge club. There are more established and organized Bridge clubs in the state I live in by far than there are poker clubs which I think is odd.
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    Default Beating the Bankers

    The idea that I even thought about checking out the local bridge scene in my area was this conversation I had with a guy who runs a painting operation. He told me that he used to play bridge years ago locally when he was once working at a big bank. He told me how a lot of the bankers at the corporation that they all worked for played bridge, and some took it seriously. This was some kind of game that the bankers in the office took to. Finding the above article confirmed what the guy was telling me, how there are a lot of bankers who do like to play bridge. I'm thinking that maybe it's some kind of clique thing for people who are involved in a banking career path do, they all play bridge. That got me thinking about how I would love to beat these people, beat these cliques of bankers, find and beat the top banker or bankers in my area who play bridge. Beat all of them not because I have something against them personally as a person, it would be the idea of beating "who" they work for and to let them know that I am going to out play them in a card game. It's a competitive idea. I would like to beat up some aristocratic banker ass and serve them up on a silver platter with a partner, beat the bankers at the game they like to play. Knowing how I got denied access to the House of Bridge on my first visit in the city... I knew I hit gold and that makes me want to learn the game and go put it on those people. Beat the bankers! Defeat the bankers! Defeat a clique of bankers at bridge!
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    Default Learning Bridge

    Blitz:

    Haven't been on here for awhile but saw your interest in bridge. It's a great game. While you liken it to Hearts, which it's similar to, it's also like Spades.........only now you can bid in all suits.

    My Dad got me in the game and while I played for awhile, it's hard to find people to play with or who are interested in playing. So searching out a bridge club is a great idea. But you can also teach yourself a LOT by yourself. And I know you are an apt learning.

    Check out for beginning lessons www.bridgebase.com There is a teaching program you can download that will run you through a series of self-taught lessons that would help bring you up to speed. I know because those bridge club members tend to be SERIOUS bridge players..........and as a beginner or novice, they seem to be a little aloof..........kind of like comparing ploppies to AP BJ players.......LOL

    Also check out the program BridgeBaron. It's in it's upteenth version now but it's a great program to download and play on your computer. And you can get strategy advice; playing advice; learning info etc. on it. It's from Great Game products. I have purchased various versions of this over the years.

    http://greatgameproducts.com/bridgebaron

    I know with your ability you can learn a lot by yourself and then work into those bridge clubs............

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    Blitz:

    Haven't been on here for awhile but saw your interest in bridge. It's a great game. While you liken it to Hearts, which it's similar to, it's also like Spades.........only now you can bid in all suits.

    My Dad got me in the game and while I played for awhile, it's hard to find people to play with or who are interested in playing. So searching out a bridge club is a great idea. But you can also teach yourself a LOT by yourself. And I know you are an apt learning.

    Check out for beginning lessons www.bridgebase.com There is a teaching program you can download that will run you through a series of self-taught lessons that would help bring you up to speed. I know because those bridge club members tend to be SERIOUS bridge players..........and as a beginner or novice, they seem to be a little aloof..........kind of like comparing ploppies to AP BJ players.......LOL

    Also check out the program BridgeBaron. It's in it's upteenth version now but it's a great program to download and play on your computer. And you can get strategy advice; playing advice; learning info etc. on it. It's from Great Game products. I have purchased various versions of this over the years.

    http://greatgameproducts.com/bridgebaron

    I know with your ability you can learn a lot by yourself and then work into those bridge clubs............
    The game did pique my interest for awhile, and it still does. I enjoy playing trick taking games like hearts and spades so I started to look into the local scene for networking opportunities. It can be difficult to find a partner but finding a local bridge club can make it easier at accomplishing the task. I've noticed that there are many bridge clubs within the state I live in and there are no blackjack clubs other than small casinos. Blackjack is not seriously played outside of a casino environment in my state. From what little I know about the game I'd have to say that their are probably more people who play bridge recreationally, than their are people who play blackjack recreationally or professionally. Finding the serious bridge players in my state is what I wanted to do and I found a particular club that I will revisit in due time to deal with a bunch of snobbish, stuck-up people. I will check out the links you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    The game did pique my interest for awhile, and it still does. I enjoy playing trick taking games like hearts and spades so I started to look into the local scene for networking opportunities. It can be difficult to find a partner but finding a local bridge club can make it easier at accomplishing the task. Finding the serious bridge players in my state is what I wanted to do and I found a particular club that I will revisit in due time to deal with a bunch of snobbish, stuck-up people. I will check out the links you posted.
    I think you need to check out various clubs. Because I agree that there is definitely the snobbish element to those who have played for a long time and look with disdain on newcomers or beginners. But then again, most tend to be elderly, too. But there is another group or faction that you might find hopefully ..........there are those who like to get others involved with the game AND want to teach or help learn. These are the people you need to find. Let me know how those programs go for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    I think you need to check out various clubs. Because I agree that there is definitely the snobbish element to those who have played for a long time and look with disdain on newcomers or beginners. But then again, most tend to be elderly, too. But there is another group or faction that you might find hopefully ..........there are those who like to get others involved with the game AND want to teach or help learn. These are the people you need to find. Let me know how those programs go for you.
    I checked out a few. The second club I went to the people were a whole lot nicer and they didn't act like stuck-up jackasses compared to the people at the House of Bridge who definitely need an attitude adjustment. I'm probably a guy who could give it to them to. Most of the people in the bridge scene tend to be elderly people from what I have seen in my local area. I met a few contacts. However now that I've had some time to think about it and with my recent epiphany. I'm not even so sure that I'm going to dedicate that much time to learning how to play the game anymore because I have bigger plans going on at the moment which vastly out trump the meager opportunities that I will find in any bridge game. I'm not playing for master points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I have bigger plans going on at the moment which vastly out trump the meager opportunities that I will find in any bridge game. I'm not playing for master points.
    Then you are really going to have to find the hard core bridge gamblers..............the only ones I have ever seen were from country clubs..........like gin players. There are games that pay to play.......like gin, it's some amount per point. Depending on the level and honestly in my years of being around them with my Dad in the past........and the country club, they are difficult to find. Because there are not "public" places that allow gambling and most of the bridge clubs are going to be for "master points" not "pennies per point" but you might be able to troll them to find out info about some who play for money. It's really, really limited in my estimation. But I have NOT been around it in a long, long time. They always tended to be private games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    Then you are really going to have to find the hard core bridge gamblers..............the only ones I have ever seen were from country clubs..........like gin players. There are games that pay to play.......like gin, it's some amount per point. Depending on the level and honestly in my years of being around them with my Dad in the past........and the country club, they are difficult to find. Because there are not "public" places that allow gambling and most of the bridge clubs are going to be for "master points" not "pennies per point" but you might be able to troll them to find out info about some who play for money. It's really, really limited in my estimation. But I have NOT been around it in a long, long time. They always tended to be private games.
    Thanks MJ but like I mentioned I'm putting the whole Bridge thing on the back burner due to my own discovery. I'm not going to commit any more time to that game because I don't think it would be worth it anymore. The opportunities that I see in NLHE with a partner and being able to hole card the game trumps any Bridge game I can find in my local area with more opportunity. Time spent needs to be with my partner to ensure our game is strong and that were on the same sheet of music, and that we are tough to defeat.

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