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    Pressing bets

    11 August 2015

    By Frank Scoblete


    I get several e-mails a month asking me what the best pressing method is. These usually refer to the table games, mostly craps, blackjack, mini-baccarat and roulette. I usually write back the following:

    “Do not bother to press because the extra money you put out there is subject to the exact same house edge as the original money. So now you are giving the house more.”

    I might get a “thanks” in a return e-mail or no response whatsoever (that response would probably have been “That idiot, what does he know?”). Pressing bets -- meaning doubling the wager or increasing the wager somewhat after a good run -- seems to be a grand desire of many casino gamblers. Get more money out there to get a bigger win!

    I certainly do understand the feeling of wanting to get more money out there in good times. The fact that there is no real “good” trend branching out into the future often does not enter our minds because we now see an opportunity to win a bundle. There is also no real “bad” trend that can be predicted, either. The future is unclear. Yet it feels as if it is clear and if we get more money on the layout, we will coast home in our new Rolls Royce.

    I think a casino gambler should bet the minimum that gives him or her reasonable thrill but no more than that. Five dollars might not ring your bells, but $25 will freeze your breath. So bet $10.

    Except for the rare lightning strike from the gods (“Oh, by the way honey, I just won Megabucks for 20 million; what’s for breakfast?”), casino gambling is really not the way to accumulate money, unless you own the casino. The more you play casino games, the better the chance you will be behind, due to the grinding effects of the house edge. That edge is almost inescapable.

    In craps, I see some players press immediately, without having actually won anything of worth. These players are just saying to the casino, “Take my money, please.”

    With the exception of some advantage players, we must realize that the prospects for the players are dim at best. Our emotions tend to get in the way of our intellects in casino matters. The desire to win and to win loads just overcomes our realization that we are walking a tightrope on a fiercely windy day. When we get back to our homes or hotel rooms, we might finally wake up and think, “Gee, I forgot the casino has the edge over me,” but in the casino we tend to go into an altered state of consciousness.

    So even though you may not have written me an e-mail asking about “pressing,” I will tell you the same thing I tell everyone: Don’t press. It is a waste of your hard-won money. I also know that some of you, right this moment, will think, “That guy is an idiot. He knows nothing about gambling.”

    Frank Scoblete's new book is "I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps."

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    In blackjack I would have to presume that the edge slightly changes as the TC changes. After a player wins a BJ bet and if they decide to press or parlay the full amount of the win on a blackjack bet on the next hand does seem reasonable if the TC has risen. Doing so could provide some camo to a BJ players game the way I see it. In craps I think some players should practice on parlaying their bets to possible maximize a potential return if their seasoned shooters. Granted that most craps players probably don't have a crap table in their house presents a problem. I see quite a few players who press their bets at a crap table, on long rolls with seasoned shooters a lot of these bet pressers can make a lot of quick cash. Where they fuck up is that they get to greedy. After they've made $500 on a good roll (maybe 15 throws) they still have $300-$500 or so dollars still on the place bets with all the presses they've made, and soon enough that 7 will come so they lose all of the money they had on the place bets which is nearly equal to what they just won. After a player wins a certain amount that they are comfortable with if they are pressing their bets in craps it seems like they should take the bigger bets off of the place bets and then regress to a smaller denomination if they still want action to where they should take down their place bets, with the win as they are rolled by the shooter.
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    The last time I played craps I got a first hand account again of what can happen to a player who likes pressing their bets. Although he did make a lot more money than I did at the height of when everything was going right during this session because of his pressing action and the fact that he was betting $25's, this player did bust out and lost everything. This guy had to of had a chip stack that was at least 15-20 times what I cashed in for. Everyone lost on that table except for me, it was a shame. A lot of dice players may be able to bet more than me, may win more than me, but their not better than me at craps.
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    Did T3 also mention that he's good at dice control? That is some serious crap!
    AP: Advanced Ploppy.

    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    Did T3 also mention that he's good at dice control? That is some serious crap!
    There is nothing t3 is not an expert at. But most of all, he is the complete expert at... bullshitting


    Pushing It

    18 August 2015

    By Frank Scoblete


    It’s a quite familiar situation for many casino players. The session is not going well; you lose and lose and lose some more. Nothing seems to be working. You try this strategy and that strategy and even a few strategies that you know are completely ridiculous.

    You bet with the trends; you bet against the trends; you flip coins to figure out how to bet. Nothing helps. Oh, man, nothing helps.

    Yes, you make sure you play perfect basic strategy at blackjack --- you are referring to the card on every hand, just to make sure; you lose. You play perfect strategy at Pai Gow Poker; you’re constantly asking the dealer to make sure you are setting your hands correctly; you lose. You try to latch onto streaks at mini-baccarat; they go against you and, yes, you lose. At roulette, it feels as if your numbers aren’t even on the wheel.

    You hit the slots; jumping from machine to machine if you lose more than seven spins in a row; you can’t find a machine that even lets you be ahead for a spin or two. In video poker you bring a card to play your favorite games; you might as well burn it because you never get dealt anything that helps you make a good hand.

    Then in desperation you hit upon your last strategy, a horrible strategy, and the thinking (if we can actually call it thinking) goes something like this: “I’ve been on a terrible losing streak. I can’t keep losing forever. If I jump up my bets, I can in a few hands win everything I lost back. I just have to push it; push it hard and I’ll make a comeback.”

    So you push it. You were betting $10, maybe a little more, maybe a little less, depending on the game. Nope, not any more. You will now increase to $50; if you lose at that, you will go for a $100. Luck has to change doesn’t it?

    This is often called “going on tilt;” meaning you are not thinking straight and you aren’t playing wisely. You are off center. Your mind is angled the wrong way at this moment. You’re bent. You’re crooked. In a real way (well, a “kind of” real way) you have lost your mind. Because you think something must happen, you convince yourself that such a something will happen. You must start winning sooner or later right? It has to --- has to --- be coming right up. So why not bet into it?

    Sad to say, but that sooner might not be tonight. That later might be a long, long way away. Going on tilt is not a surefire way to win. But if things continue in a horrible fashion, it is a surefire way to get your bankroll savaged and torn to shreds.

    Most casino gamblers have probably had their tilting experiences. Most of those most have learned (the hard way!) that it is best to stop playing when things have been going bleakly. Take a break. Take a walk. Take a nap. Do not allow yourself to lose control.

    Trying to push your way to victory is not a good game plan. You should stick to your normal bets and if things have gone south for some time, then “flee!”

    I’ll tell you this, fleeing is better than pushing.

    Frank Scoblete’s new book is “I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps!"

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    I do know that T3 is an expert at getting punched in the nose at a friendly poker game for peeking at opponents cards, according to T3. I'm not so sure about the dice. I wonder what prompted Frank to write an article about going on tilt. Going on tilt is something that I have gained more control of over the years. Last night I played and beat the locals at the club in some NLHE poker by finishing 1st. I always go thru a routine of playing some blackjack before the poker starts to relax my mind. I went in with the mindset that I was going to win and that's what happened. If anything last night was a little warm up before the real test coming up real soon. It seems like if I avoid the coin flip situations in poker, I'll do fairly well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I do know that T3 is an expert at getting punched in the nose
    That's impossible! Based on T3's own post, he's very skilled at fighting too!
    AP: Advanced Ploppy.

    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    Did T3 also mention that he's good at dice control? That is some serious crap!
    Ms. Ttthreee bragged, "Not much experience with BJ backoffs. When you get backed off the dice table ask me about it. Backed off more dice tables in one day than my whole career of BJ backoffs. As long as they remember you, you are toast."

    Source: https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post129801

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodo View Post
    Ms. Ttthreee bragged, "Not much experience with BJ backoffs. When you get backed off the dice table ask me about it. Backed off more dice tables in one day than my whole career of BJ backoffs. As long as they remember you, you are toast."

    Source: https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post129801
    And as we know from long ago reading far too many of t3's bragging, rambling, raving, long-winded and mind-numbingly boring posts, for years he alone in the Universe has always been a bigtime consistent Blackjack winner from coast to coast and yet he was never toast because they have not remembered him. Oh yeah, right. Makes a lot of sense, NOT. Seeing as every time he cleans em out yet again, he has to go to the cage and present his credentials to get paid in cash yet again. T3, you are a fraud and a liar. That sure reflects on your er, sponsor... N0rm, for having you around for so long with your bullshit.

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    T3's more than 9000 posts can be condensed to two words: Hot Air!
    AP: Advanced Ploppy.

    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!

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    ZenZone should invite T3 over for a chat. I hope his fee is reasonable.
    AP: Advanced Ploppy.

    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_bumblebee View Post
    ZenZone should invite T3 over for a chat. I hope [her] fee is reasonable.
    "I really don't care what anybody thinks. I do what I do and make a lot of money at it. I keep refining my new system and seeing the increase in the casino. I have put all I write about into practice and have grown my BR from a modest one into a large one in a short time. If you have to make a fictitious character to my moniker to make you feel better about your experiences or because you can't argue a decent argument so be it." --Ms. Ttthreee

    Source: https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post168940

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodo View Post
    "have grown my BR from a modest one into a large one " --Ms. Ttthreee
    From 100 to 500.99 dollars?
    Last edited by fat_bumblebee; August 20th, 2015 at 09:12 PM.
    AP: Advanced Ploppy.

    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodo View Post
    "I really don't care what anybody thinks. I do what I do and make a lot of money at it. I keep refining my new system and seeing the increase in the casino. I have put all I write about into practice and have grown my BR from a modest one into a large one in a short time. If you have to make a fictitious character to my moniker to make you feel better about your experiences or because you can't argue a decent argument so be it." --Ms. Ttthreee

    Source: https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post168940


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