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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    I know you said that people can't call a roll every time. You also said they can do so on demand.
    He said "sometimes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    He said "sometimes".
    Regardless of how you interpret it, how does it make sense? How do you know when your magical 'on demand' switch is set in the 'on' position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villiam View Post
    Actually, you presenting it as a 1/36 proposition every time you roll is the only thing mentioned so far that "defies math."
    The way I play craps and the way you may play craps is very different. When I toss the dice with a certain set up I can tell you which dice face may have rolled/tilted off axis to produce a number I don't want to see. As a shooter I'm used to hitting dice face combinations that I call out (hop) in addition with maybe a few place bets working simultaneously since I'm constantly changing my betting with each toss of the dice, I tend to believe that I hit my hop combinations when I do bet them with a higher frequency than a majority of the dice players that I see frequent a craps table, but then again not a lot of players make hop bets because they can get expensive if your not hitting. The hop combinations that I tend to bet on are easy 6's, easy 8's, 5-4, 3-2, and hardway numbers with a hardway set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    Provide undeniable proof or shut up.
    T3, your turn!
    After over 10000 BS bragging posts, it turns out that T3 doesn't even play BJ! What a damn joke, LOL!
    T3 is no threat to any casino because he spends most of his time bragging on BTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    Regardless of how you interpret it, how does it make sense? How do you know when your magical 'on demand' switch is set in the 'on' position?
    It's probability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    LOL. I didn't know getting two 5's could have different odds, mulignan. Fucking troll.
    There's only a certain number of ways to hit a ten, let's say, given your example. Besides hardway considerations, one can easily shoot towards or away from those combinations in the effort to have a long roll or just hit a point. Anyway, wise up, boy, you are out of your fucking element.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    Regardless of how you interpret it, how does it make sense? How do you know when your magical 'on demand' switch is set in the 'on' position?
    Well if you were with me last night and this morning you may have been impressed with my dice tossing and my hop bet calls I was making and hitting. Last night at a certain table I took 2 chances to throw the dice, after I sevened out once my first roll was done 2 people on the opposite end of the table passed them so they could get into my hands quicker. My second toss was even better than the first roll and that is when the house really paid out to the players. Inside numbers were getting hit with reckless abandon and especially the hard 4 which I was making appear much more often than randomness dictates, 5's, 5-4 combination, and 4-2 came often. The session I had this morning wasn't so great rolling wise at a different casino with a bigger table but winning with hop bets the way I did it was the icing on the cake, then coloring up and leaving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Well if you were with me last night and this morning you may have been impressed with my dice tossing
    What exactly would I be impressed by? Are you referring to mathematical variance or magical dice? I would certainly be impressed by magic, but unfortunately, it doesn't exist. I don't think you're an AP at all. The only evidence of your AP skills you offered is that you play -EV games and you cheat.

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    Default Hasn't even Wong/Ferguson backed off "dice control" being possible?

    http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...-dice-control/

    I had read somewhere else but can't locate that cite yet, that he now no longer agrees it's possible to change the edge beyond expected EV, which in craps is negative. Blitz may know more than I about the subject but has he reached that 10,000 roll minimum statistical level mentioned from his own personal play? Do you keep stats, Blitz man?

    It's still an interesting concept. But since you can't "compute" or "sim" dice rolls (with control), it has to be anecdotal and observational to be proven. Shoot..........even if you could change the frequency of 7 appearing, with more non-7 numbers being rolled, you could sure increase your expectation at the tables significantly IF there was a significant "decrease" in the 7 appearing.

    Just wondered if there was more empirical evidence is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...-dice-control/

    I had read somewhere else but can't locate that cite yet, that he now no longer agrees it's possible to change the edge beyond expected EV, which in craps is negative. Blitz may know more than I about the subject but has he reached that 10,000 roll minimum statistical level mentioned from his own personal play? Do you keep stats, Blitz man?

    It's still an interesting concept. But since you can't "compute" or "sim" dice rolls (with control), it has to be anecdotal and observational to be proven. Shoot..........even if you could change the frequency of 7 appearing, with more non-7 numbers being rolled, you could sure increase your expectation at the tables significantly IF there was a significant "decrease" in the 7 appearing.

    Just wondered if there was more empirical evidence is all.
    No I don't keep stats. The only stat I keep when I play craps is am I winning or losing and which dice combinations I am throwing and coming up. There is a lot of bankroll management that goes into a craps game. Speaking of stats, if you were to keep stats at the table that would be a lot of information to keep up with. Such as number of rolls before sevening out, actual numbers hit, & actual dice face combinations hit, what set was being used. Depending on how you bet at craps MJOK, if you were there to bet during my 2 rolls on the smaller table you may have made more during my 2 rolls than you would have at 2 or more blackjack sessions with the way the pace bet numbers were hitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Depending on how you bet at craps MJOK, if you were there to bet during my 2 rolls on the smaller table you may have made more during my 2 rolls than you would have at 2 or more blackjack sessions with the way the pace bet numbers were hitting.
    Well I would like to watch (and bet). So if you are ever anywhere close to here, let me know and I will come join. LOL

    Or you also mentioned you may know how to take advantage of Card Craps. They have that here at a pretty nice house. Supposedly beatable as Grossjean and Munchkin attacked it sometime ago. I don't know exactly what Grossjean knew about the card distribution but somehow it's exploitable.

    Besides...........betting on craps SURE ups the comp awards which can 'cover' or divert from BJ play a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    Well I would like to watch (and bet). So if you are ever anywhere close to here, let me know and I will come join. LOL

    Or you also mentioned you may know how to take advantage of Card Craps. They have that here at a pretty nice house. Supposedly beatable as Grossjean and Munchkin attacked it sometime ago. I don't know exactly what Grossjean knew about the card distribution but somehow it's exploitable.

    Besides...........betting on craps SURE ups the comp awards which can 'cover' or divert from BJ play a little.
    Sure thing MJOK. I've never played the card craps game and I've never played at an Indian Casino. I've seen 2 different versions of electronics craps and have played one. Maybe if they had live poker I'd make a trip out to an OK casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Sure thing MJOK. I've never played the card craps game and I've never played at an Indian Casino. I've seen 2 different versions of electronics craps and have played one. Maybe if they had live poker I'd make a trip out to an OK casino.

    They definitely have live poker.............several casinos

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    They definitely have live poker.............several casinos
    If they have poker than that's the place I'd be if I ever go to OK.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; August 24th, 2016 at 03:18 PM.

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