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    I AM A DICE CONTROLLER is out now!
    I don't usually push a book this hard but I want everyone to read my new one, I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps! (Available now on Amazon.com and in book stores.)


    The advance sales of the book have been so good that my publisher decided to skip the May 1 publication date and make it available right now.


    The book does have techniques of dice control and betting in it but the real thrust are the men and women who did what many consider to be impossible --- beat the game of craps with a controlled throw. Some of you might know some of these people. I do tell their true stories and, in fact, you might get upset by some of these.


    This book is about people but not just the great and good ones but some of the louses and crooks in the dice control (dice influencing) community. I do not spare anyone, including myself. In addition, I'll take you behind the scenes of television shows I've written and participated in (doing television is a whole other world).


    This is a no-holds-barred book. I think by the end your mind will be boggled.
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    Now to critics who enjoy haranguing me about my desire to sell my books, this will give you ammo. But I think you will enjoy what's in those pages too.

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    I moved this to AP forum, but maybe it belongs in voodoo?
    Didn't Wong eventually denounce dice control?

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    Here's what he thinks...

    Last edited by zengrifter; March 22nd, 2015 at 12:50 AM. Reason: fix formatting

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    So he holds out belief still that is IS feasible ...
    ... but like poker it is hard to quantify, verify, and calibrate to BR.

    Here's a study release that may prove DC theory.

    "Theoretically the die throw is predictable, but the accuracy required for determining the initial position is so high that practically it approximates a random process," said Marcin Kapitaniak, a Ph.D. student at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland. "Only a good magician can throw the die in the way to obtain the desired result."
    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-09-die.html#jCp


    I uploaded the full study paper to my website, here:
    http://www.catalysthouse.net/wp-cont...ce-physics.pdf
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    So he holds out belief still that is IS feasible ...
    ... but like poker it is hard to quantify, verify, and calibrate to BR.

    Here's a study release that may prove DC theory.

    "Theoretically the die throw is predictable, but the accuracy required for determining the initial position is so high that practically it approximates a random process," said Marcin Kapitaniak, a Ph.D. student at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland. "Only a good magician can throw the die in the way to obtain the desired result."
    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-09-die.html#jCp


    I uploaded the full study paper to my website, here:
    http://www.catalysthouse.net/wp-cont...ce-physics.pdf
    Interesting, I'll have to look at that theory when I have more time. Apparently Wong appears to believe that it can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    So he holds out belief still that is IS feasible ...
    ... but like poker it is hard to quantify, verify, and calibrate to BR.

    Here's a study release that may prove DC theory.

    "Theoretically the die throw is predictable, but the accuracy required for determining the initial position is so high that practically it approximates a random process," said Marcin Kapitaniak, a Ph.D. student at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland. "Only a good magician can throw the die in the way to obtain the desired result."
    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-09-die.html#jCp


    I uploaded the full study paper to my website, here:
    http://www.catalysthouse.net/wp-cont...ce-physics.pdf
    Science schmience. What would they know? There are posts from you in the ZZ archives where you very much seem to be in favour of using mind control to affect cards, roulette balls, dice and ... pit critters. So if Scobe says he is a successful Diceman, maybe he is also proficient at using Mind Control as well... I would have thought you would be a believer. Scobe professes to be always a man of integrity who tells the truth. If he says it can be done and that he has done it successfully over a long period, I believe him.

    For Scobe:

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    Has anyone noticed the bigger tables lately or over time at craps? Maybe longer is the appropriate term. In any event, NOT being an experienced craps player or dice controller, with the rules that you MUST hit the back wall in most places AND the increase in length of the table, how is dice controlling feasible? You would have to be a robot to accurately set and throw the dice. Even "Iron Byron", the machine that can be set to hit a golf ball the same way (angle of descent, speed, etc.) each time will have a different result with each golf ball hit. It just seems an impossibility to me.............though I might be convinced to set and throw the dice in possibly SOME manner to lower the chance of 7 being thrown.............maybe.

    Always looking for a new AP play.........since holecarding (not reliable or dependable)and counting (conditions are worsening) are not going to be fruitful on a continuing basis. Though I still try and try to make it a profitable (make that reasonably profitable) enterprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    Has anyone noticed the bigger tables lately or over time at craps? Maybe longer is the appropriate term. In any event, NOT being an experienced craps player or dice controller, with the rules that you MUST hit the back wall in most places AND the increase in length of the table, how is dice controlling feasible? You would have to be a robot to accurately set and throw the dice. Even "Iron Byron", the machine that can be set to hit a golf ball the same way (angle of descent, speed, etc.) each time will have a different result with each golf ball hit. It just seems an impossibility to me.............though I might be convinced to set and throw the dice in possibly SOME manner to lower the chance of 7 being thrown.............maybe.

    Always looking for a new AP play.........since holecarding (not reliable or dependable)and counting (conditions are worsening) are not going to be fruitful on a continuing basis. Though I still try and try to make it a profitable (make that reasonably profitable) enterprise.
    Casinos require players to hit the back wall at all places MJ but some tosses do end up short without anything being said or maybe a warning. They do have some large crap tables in casinos just so they can pack as many people onto them. I think some players can influence the dice with their throwing technique although that may seem trivial. With longer tables in use if a shooter doesn't want to throw at the end of the table then they can choose a spot either spot flanking the stickman.

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    Sal and Frank Talk the Captain and Craps

    24 March 2015

    By Frank Scoblete


    This letter has many questions and comments so I will answer them as they come up.

    FROM SAL: You are one of my favorite reads. Primarily craps reads. Especially all the words you have written regarding the Captain (God rest his soul). I would have loved to have met him and toss the bones with him. I'd like to meet you too one day and toss the dice.

    I can recall when I began my search on the net many years ago for anyone that set dice. I recall thinking, “there must be others that do this.” There was not much out there at that time and then I read about Stanly Fujitake and upon my first trip to Vegas I had to visit the California Club and see the case with the “Golden Hand.”

    But, I really don't know if he set the dice. Although, I think I read recently, (perhaps by reading something you wrote) that he did not set the dice? Any idea?

    FRANK: Fujitake was not a controlled shooter. His achievement of 118 rolls was strictly luck. The World Champion with 153 numbers rolled is Pat DeMauro. She also had profound luck that night doing something that was about 5.6 billion to one! The Captain’s 147 was controlled shooting.

    SAL: Anyway, I've played craps for over 30 yrs. and have always set.

    As a kid I made a craps layout in a cardboard box and played with other friends.

    I knew from an early age that dice setting could be done and with precision tossing, certain numbers could be repeated and almost tossed at will. However, I never gambled in a casino until I was 34 and that was 21 years ago.

    FRANK: I do wish you could toss numbers at will but that doesn’t really happen for a controlled shooter. Essentially such shooters are changing the overall statistics (probabilities) of the game by having certain numbers appear more or less often.

    SAL: I had an 11 point roll a month ago at our local barge here in the Chicago area, it's hard for the shooter (at least me) to keep track of rolls but not only was the SRR off the chart, I would take an educated guess that I tossed somewhere between 60-90 numbers (way off the normal chart).

    FRANK: Use chips to count rolls so you don’t have to waste any mental energy. White chips ($1) count as one; red chips ($5) count as 5; green chips ($25) count as 25 and black chips ($100) count as 100. So if you have rolled nine times, you would have a red and four white chips in the rack. No thinking required.

    SAL: Frank, I have a few questions for you. The only book on craps I had ever purchased was your “Beat the Craps out of the Casinos” many years ago when it first came out. Fantastic book!

    I think after the purchase I could not put it down and read it cover to cover. I was especially intrigued at the time on reading of the Captain, his systems and of course the 5-Count.

    Upon reading about the Doey/Don't I couldn't wait to play it for the first time. I don't play it any longer, but it was a fun system.

    FRANK: The Captain and I both jettisoned the Doey/Don’t Supersystem. I think that one mistake shows that the Captain was human after all.

    SAL: The only other book I have bought most recently was your “Cutting Edge Craps: Advanced Strategies for Serious Players.” Most of what is in the book is old hat to me, but the reason I bought it was I wanted to read more about the meditation or getting into what I call the Zone. I can count perhaps a dozen times I have been in the Zone and the rolls were not only fruitful, but surrealistic, needless to say.

    This leads me to my first question:

    In “Cutting Edge Craps” there are several times when you write the word Whirl and here in Chicagoland we call it World. (I know if I have had a few too many, I call it squirrel) Is this east coast jargon and perhaps both are correct?

    FRANK: Both are correct. Bad bet no matter what it is called.

    SAL: I can see by all the reads on the Captain that I could ever find (which, are not a lot) his name is never mentioned. Has his name ever been published? What was the reasoning for his nickname of The Captain? Did he wear a Captain's hat? Did he own a boat?

    FRANK: His name has never been mentioned, although plenty of people (players, casino personnel and a few readers) know who he was. His Crew named him the Captain as he was their leader. In World War II he was in the Army Air Corps. My new book “I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps” (which will be out May 1, 2015) has his complete story and my adventures with him and his Crew; and my adventures with the modern dice controllers. He didn’t wear a Captain’s hat or have a boat.

    SAL: Is there any commemoration to the Captain as in a plaque or case like Fujitake’s Golden Hand about his craps skill?

    FRANK: No. The casino where the Captain had his roll was a big one. The California Club is tiny by comparison. Also, the Captain didn’t want any mention of his achievement – except I couldn’t resist writing about it. As Ralph Kramden of “The Honeymooners” said: “I have a BIG mouth!”

    SAL: Lastly, What is the origin of the craps slang Little Joe? I know hat Yo is from Texas Drawl of Yo-Eleven shortened to Yo.

    We all know that 'Little Joe" is for the four and usually the hard four. Everything I have ever found was for it being a small number and I read somewhere that it may have been derived from a bowler named "Little Joe" when they used to have tournament bowling in Kokomo, Indiana.

    Thoughts?

    Well, as it happens my father would sometimes say the slang jargon "Little Joe from Kokomo,” perhaps because he resided in Indiana at one time or maybe played craps having been in the army (like the phrase 'blanket roll'), I don't recall Dad ever have followed bowling though.

    What I did notice is on any map the roads Rt. 22 and Rt. 31 go right through Kokomo, Indiana. Coincidence?

    FRANK: There are a lot of reasons given for why “Little Joe” is used to describe the hard 4. None definitive. I think your Indiana one sounds great. Rt 22 = 4; Rt. 31 = 4 as well.

    For your great email I am sending you a copy of my book “The Virgin Kiss.”

    Frank Scoblete’s new books are “I Am a Card Counter: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Blackjack” and “Confessions of a Wayward Catholic”

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    Zender says "no dice, let the rhythm rollers roll!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Zender says "no dice, let the rhythm rollers roll!"

    Not all of the craps crews got Zenders memo because if you start stomping the houses ass with what they may deem as a controlled throw, their attitudes can get nasty towards a shooter quickly. It wasn't very long ago when I was on a great roll and the goddamn stickman starts waving the stick like a baseball bat while he's slightly canted towards me as I'm getting ready to toss the dice on several roles of mine. What a fucking dick! I just blocked him out of my mind and still went on a roll that I'm sure pissed them off. I've experienced it. Some boxmen seem to believe that it can be done judging from their demeanor when a long roll is going on. When I play I tend to have longer rolls than most of the people that frequent a craps table. Zender is not completely right in his thinking on a particular part in his video when he stated that, "shooters don't use the Hardway set on a come-out roll." Well, what if you have some come bets up and you want to protect your flat bets? Then you don't want to go to an all sevens set to potentially wipe the shooters come bets off the table, but of course it could happen anyways if the shooter decided to continue using a Hardway set.
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    Scobe on Zender: "He is a smart guy and he often quells the madness of the intellectually limited bosses who really don't understand their games and those players who are good."

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    I wonder how many card counters Zender has picked off or backroomed during his tenure in the gaming industry? What is the general consensus about him from the blackjack community anyone?

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