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    Default Putin's Big Speech: Russia is Fed Up with West's Aggression

    Now the fur's gonna fly ...

    Main Message Of Putin's Big Speech:
    Russia is Fed Up with Neo-con Aggression


    Disgusted, Russia officially gives up any pretense of "dialog" with the neo-cons who have
    hijacked US foreign policy, and a spineless Europe which refuses to stand up to them.

    As long as America and the EU lets people like this run
    their foreign policy, there will be trouble with Russia...
    .

    What I propose to do here is to bring to your attention four verbatim excerpts from his speech with some key segments bolded out. M
    ost of the speech was on economic and internal matters, but I think that these four points and, especially, the expressions chosen by Putin really "tell the story" of what the Kremlin's position vis-à-vis the West is nowadays. See for yourself:

    1) Crimea is Russian forever:
    "It was an event of special significance for the country and the people, because Crimea is where our people live, and the peninsula is of strategic importance for Russia as the spiritual source of the development of a multifaceted but solid Russian nation and a centralised Russian state.

    It was in Crimea, in the ancient city of Chersonesus or Korsun, as ancient Russian chroniclers called it, that Grand Prince Vladimir was baptised before bringing Christianity to Rus.

    In addition to ethnic similarity, a common language, common elements of their material culture, a common territory, even though its borders were not marked then, and a nascent common economy and government, Christianity was a powerful spiritual unifying force that helped involve various tribes and tribal unions of the vast Eastern Slavic world in the creation of a Russian nation and Russian state.
    It was thanks to this spiritual unity that our forefathers for the first time and forevermore saw themselves as a united nation.

    All of this allows us to say that Crimea, the ancient Korsun or Chersonesus, and Sevastopol have invaluable civilisational and even sacral importance for Russia, like the Temple Mount in Jerusalem for the followers of Islam and Judaism.

    And this is how we will always consider it."

    2) Russia will never become an EU colony:
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    These two are entrenched criminals of the Cabal for Zionism that has been ruining America for so long. These Warmongers for Israel still want a war V Iran, more wars V Islam, a war V Russia and soon, probably a war V China. America deserves leaders like these two below, because The People have allowed it.

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    Ron Paul: Congress Just Declared War on Russia

    "... one of the worst pieces of legislation ever"
    "16 pages of war propaganda that should have made even neocons blush, if they were capable of such a thing"
    "These are the slippery slopes that lead to war."
    "This dangerous legislation passed today, December 4, with only ten (!) votes against! Only ten legislators are concerned over the use of blatant propaganda and falsehoods to push such reckless saber-rattling toward Russia."

    Today the US House passed what I consider to be one of the worst pieces of legislation ever. H. Res. 758 was billed as a resolution “strongly condemning the actions of the Russian Federation, under President Vladimir Putin, which has carried out a policy of aggression against neighboring countries aimed at political and economic domination.”

    In fact, the bill was 16 pages of war propaganda that should have made even neocons blush, if they were capable of such a thing.
    These are the kinds of resolutions I have always watched closely in Congress, as what are billed as “harmless” statements of opinion often lead to sanctions and war.

    I remember in 1998 arguing strongly against the Iraq Liberation Act because, as I said at the time, I knew it would lead to war.
    I did not oppose the Act because I was an admirer of Saddam Hussein – just as now I am not an admirer of Putin or any foreign political leader – but rather because I knew then that another war against Iraq would not solve the problems and would probably make things worse. We all know what happened next.

    That is why I can hardly believe they are getting away with it again, and this time with even higher stakes: provoking a war with Russia that could result in total destruction!

    If anyone thinks I am exaggerating about how bad this resolution really is, let me just offer a few examples from the legislation itself:
    The resolution (paragraph 3) accuses Russia of an invasion of Ukraine and condemns Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. The statement is offered without any proof of such a thing.

    Surely with our sophisticated satellites that can read a license plate from space we should have video and pictures of this Russian invasion. None have been offered.

    As to Russia’s violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, why isn’t it a violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty for the US to participate in the overthrow of that country’s elected government as it did in February?

    We have all heard the tapes of State Department officials plotting with the US Ambassador in Ukraine to overthrow the government.
    We heard US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland bragging that the US spent $5 billion on regime change in Ukraine. Why is that OK?

    The resolution (paragraph 11) accuses the people in east Ukraine of holding “fraudulent and illegal elections” in November. Why is it that every time elections do not produce the results desired by the US government they are called “illegal” and “fraudulent”?
    Aren’t the people of eastern Ukraine allowed self-determination? Isn’t that a basic human right?

    The resolution (paragraph 13) demands a withdrawal of Russia forces from Ukraine even though the US government has provided no evidence the Russian army was ever in Ukraine. This paragraph also urges the government in Kiev to resume military operations against the eastern regions seeking independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Ron Paul: Congress Just Declared War on Russia

    "... one of the worst pieces of legislation ever"
    "16 pages of war propaganda that should have made even neocons blush, if they were capable of such a thing"
    "These are the slippery slopes that lead to war."
    "This dangerous legislation passed today, December 4, with only ten (!) votes against! Only ten legislators are concerned over the use of blatant propaganda and falsehoods to push such reckless saber-rattling toward Russia."
    More, it's pretty disgusting --

    The resolution (paragraph 14) states with certainty that the Malaysia Airlines flight 17 that crashed in Ukraine was brought down by a missile “fired by Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine.”

    This is simply incorrect, as the final report on the investigation of this tragedy will not even be released until next year and the preliminary report did not state that a missile brought down the plane. Neither did the preliminary report – conducted with the participation of all countries involved – assign blame to any side.

    Paragraph 16 of the resolution condemns Russia for selling arms to the Assad government in Syria. It does not mention, of course, that those weapons are going to fight ISIS – which we claim is the enemy -- while the US weapons supplied to the rebels in Syria have actually found their way into the hands of ISIS!

    Paragraph 17 of the resolution condemns Russia for what the US claims are economic sanctions (“coercive economic measures”) against Ukraine. This even though the US has repeatedly hit Russia with economic sanctions and is considering even more!

    The resolution (paragraph 22) states that Russia invaded the Republic of Georgia in 2008. This is simply untrue. Even the European Union – no friend of Russia – concluded in its investigation of the events in 2008 that it was Georgia that “started an unjustified war” against Russia not the other way around!

    How does Congress get away with such blatant falsehoods? Do Members not even bother to read these resolutions before voting?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    More, it's pretty disgusting --

    The resolution (paragraph 14) states with certainty that the Malaysia Airlines flight 17 that crashed in Ukraine was brought down by a missile “fired by Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine.”

    This is simply incorrect, as the final report on the investigation of this tragedy will not even be released until next year and the preliminary report did not state that a missile brought down the plane. Neither did the preliminary report – conducted with the participation of all countries involved – assign blame to any side.

    Paragraph 16 of the resolution condemns Russia for selling arms to the Assad government in Syria. It does not mention, of course, that those weapons are going to fight ISIS – which we claim is the enemy -- while the US weapons supplied to the rebels in Syria have actually found their way into the hands of ISIS!

    Paragraph 17 of the resolution condemns Russia for what the US claims are economic sanctions (“coercive economic measures”) against Ukraine. This even though the US has repeatedly hit Russia with economic sanctions and is considering even more!

    The resolution (paragraph 22) states that Russia invaded the Republic of Georgia in 2008. This is simply untrue. Even the European Union – no friend of Russia – concluded in its investigation of the events in 2008 that it was Georgia that “started an unjustified war” against Russia not the other way around!

    How does Congress get away with such blatant falsehoods? Do Members not even bother to read these resolutions before voting?

    From this we see that only TEN Congresscritters (who voted against that Bill of Lies) are worth saving. The rest should be shot full of holes... they are a disgrace to America and the world. This outrage demonstrates that most of Congress has been bought by AIPAC: the evil Israeli influence that peddles lies, wars and Corporate Business for More Wars That Benefit Israel. What will the Congresscritters do when the report shows it was a fighter jet from the Kiev government (that America spent $5B regime-changing) that shot down the airliner? As Aslan would say, where are any Tried and True Men in Congress these days?
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    If you like Putin, you'll love Yevgeny Fyodorov!





    On western occupation of Russia:

    "The Americans know how to work with occupied territories. They have gotten their experience from the British. The Brits have ruled the colonies for 500 years, well, in 500 years, can you learn how to get a decision through painlessly in the occupied territories? Yes, they’ve learned in 500 years. And everywhere the result is the same – the colony degrades, the people are destroyed.


    Thus it will be decided in the same way on the territory of Russia, and in fact sooner rather than later, in the foreseeable next generation if people do not want to defend themselves, if people do not want to act exactly as their grandfathers, great-grandfathers and great-great grandfathers did.

    You don’t have to think up anything new; you have to live by those same laws, including defending yourself, as our ancestors did, because they encountered double the competition their whole lives. That’s life – competition, struggle and wars. Ordinary human life."

    On liberating the world from the U.S.
    "Today, the world begins to unite against the colonizer - USA. For the time being, it is a conceptual and preparatory process, but it takes place. In this regard, I would call the preliminary results of the meeting in the Far East the meeting of the liberation movement to free the world from the U.S. occupation."
    On Ukraine:
    "Let’s return to the fundamental point: why did USA attack Ukraine in Feb 2014? Why did they orchestrate a coup d´état, bring their people to power, change the legislative-constitutional structure? And write in the Agreement that in Ukraine, the boss is Mr van Rompuy (EU). Military operations are under the command of the US general Randy Allen Key.

    They have occupied the territory of Ukraine. What did they do that for? For no special reason? Did they just get an itch in their left nostril and that’s why they decided to fork out $5 billion?

    No. They did that to preserve their unipolar world, their colonial empire."
    Nuland & McCain triggered a coup in Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Now the fur's gonna fly ...

    Main Message Of Putin's Big Speech:
    Russia is Fed Up with Neo-con Aggression


    Disgusted, Russia officially gives up any pretense of "dialog" with the neo-cons who have
    hijacked US foreign policy, and a spineless Europe which refuses to stand up to them.

    As long as America and the EU lets people like this run
    their foreign policy, there will be trouble with Russia...
    .

    What I propose to do here is to bring to your attention four verbatim excerpts from his speech with some key segments bolded out. M
    ost of the speech was on economic and internal matters, but I think that these four points and, especially, the expressions chosen by Putin really "tell the story" of what the Kremlin's position vis-à-vis the West is nowadays. See for yourself:

    1) Crimea is Russian forever:
    "It was an event of special significance for the country and the people, because Crimea is where our people live, and the peninsula is of strategic importance for Russia as the spiritual source of the development of a multifaceted but solid Russian nation and a centralised Russian state.

    It was in Crimea, in the ancient city of Chersonesus or Korsun, as ancient Russian chroniclers called it, that Grand Prince Vladimir was baptised before bringing Christianity to Rus.

    In addition to ethnic similarity, a common language, common elements of their material culture, a common territory, even though its borders were not marked then, and a nascent common economy and government, Christianity was a powerful spiritual unifying force that helped involve various tribes and tribal unions of the vast Eastern Slavic world in the creation of a Russian nation and Russian state.
    It was thanks to this spiritual unity that our forefathers for the first time and forevermore saw themselves as a united nation.

    All of this allows us to say that Crimea, the ancient Korsun or Chersonesus, and Sevastopol have invaluable civilisational and even sacral importance for Russia, like the Temple Mount in Jerusalem for the followers of Islam and Judaism.

    And this is how we will always consider it."

    2) Russia will never become an EU colony:
    What shall we call this, Mother Russianism, as it is similar to Zionism. These were once within our boundaries, he says, and there is a religious and historical significance to regaining them. Okay, you anti-Zionists, are you going to be hypocrites and now support Russia, in its open aggression against a part of a country, it (as part of the USSR) ceded to the Ukraine. No matter about what once was, the Crimea does not legally belong to Russia, and using military force it took what it wanted in the face of the law, thumbing its nose at the sovereign state of Ukraine and the West. Whether or not many in the Crimea want to become part of Russia, it did not secede, it was taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    What shall we call this, Mother Russianism, as it is similar to Zionism. These were once within our boundaries, he says, and there is a religious and historical significance to regaining them. Okay, you anti-Zionists, are you going to be hypocrites and now support Russia, in its open aggression against a part of a country, it (as part of the USSR) ceded to the Ukraine. No matter about what once was, the Crimea does not legally belong to Russia, and using military force it took what it wanted in the face of the law, thumbing its nose at the sovereign state of Ukraine and the West. Whether or not many in the Crimea want to become part of Russia, it did not secede, it was taken.
    Back on March 16, 2014, a referendum voted like this:

    The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 96.77 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation ...

    Shortly before that time, the United States had spent $5B on regime change for Ukraine,.. which resulted in a coup d'etat and a regime installed in Kiev that was favourable to America and far less favourable to Russia. Was Russia going to sit twiddling its thumbs and do nothing about that further piece of American Empire-building, right next to Russia and including a nuclear sub base in Crimea; which also happened to be the only Russian access to the Mediterranean Sea? Russian-speaking Crimea came home to Russia. Fair enough. But the Zionists running America want more wars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Back on March 16, 2014, a referendum voted like this:

    The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 96.77 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation ...

    Shortly before that time, the United States had spent $5B on regime change for Ukraine,.. which resulted in a coup d'etat and a regime installed in Kiev that was favourable to America and far less favourable to Russia. Was Russia going to sit twiddling its thumbs and do nothing about that further piece of American Empire-building, right next to Russia and including a nuclear sub base in Crimea; which also happened to be the only Russian access to the Mediterranean Sea? Russian-speaking Crimea came home to Russia. Fair enough. But the Zionists running America want more wars...
    It's not American empire building, but the safeguarding of Western democracy. We've already had one takeover of many nations by Russia in the past century; now you say we should trust them not to attempt it again. In the US we had a civil war, but that was over the rights of sovereign states. Crimea was not a sovereign state except in Putin's decision to consider it so, and he had no authority to so declare it. It's like the US declaring Victoria a sovereign state and then annexing it as part of America. 99.5% of Victorians secretly would favor such an action.
    Aslan 11/1/90 - 6/15/10 Stormy 1/22/95 -8/23/10
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    but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Okay, you anti-Zionists, are you going to be hypocrites and now support Russia, in its open aggression against a part of a country, it (as part of the USSR) ceded to the Ukraine. No matter about what once was, the Crimea does not legally belong to Russia, and using military force it took what it wanted in the face of the law, thumbing its nose at the sovereign state of Ukraine and the West. Whether or not many in the Crimea want to become part of Russia, it did not secede, it was taken.
    How can you say it "was taken?" Was it not a legal referendum of some sort?

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    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    How can you say it "was taken?" Was it not a legal referendum of some sort?
    That would be like New York City leaving the United States by referendum. Hey! That's not a bad idea! Maybe we could do San Francisco and Chicago, too.
    Aslan 11/1/90 - 6/15/10 Stormy 1/22/95 -8/23/10
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    but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
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    Cold War 2.0 is on...
    And encourages Kiev to recreate a hot one

    The resolution passed by a large majority in The US House of Representatives’ declares not only a cold war
    against Russia, but a hot war for Kiev against Novorussia. The U.S. is going all in, and Ukraine will be the sacrifice.

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    http://russia-insider.com/en/politic...es_green_light
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    [Crimea is] like New York City leaving the United States by referendum.

    Former West German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt called Russia's actions "perfectly understandable", and considers sanctions being imposed by the US and EU "foolish".[352] Former U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union Jack F. Matlock, Jr. said in an interview with the Foreign Policy: "If there had been no possibility of Ukraine ever becoming part of NATO, and therefore Sevastopol becoming a NATO base, Russia would not have invaded Crimea."[353]

    Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has defended the Crimean referendum: "While Crimea had previously been joined to Ukraine [in 1954] based on the Soviet laws, which means [Communist] party laws, without asking the people, now the people themselves have decided to correct that mistake."[354]


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