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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post

    Former West German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt called Russia's actions "perfectly understandable", and considers sanctions being imposed by the US and EU "foolish".[352] Former U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union Jack F. Matlock, Jr. said in an interview with the Foreign Policy: "If there had been no possibility of Ukraine ever becoming part of NATO, and therefore Sevastopol becoming a NATO base, Russia would not have invaded Crimea."[353]

    Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has defended the Crimean referendum: "While Crimea had previously been joined to Ukraine [in 1954] based on the Soviet laws, which means [Communist] party laws, without asking the people, now the people themselves have decided to correct that mistake."[354]


    Oh, they are perfectly understandable, all right. I just question the wisdom and the legality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Cold War 2.0 is on...
    And encourages Kiev to recreate a hot one

    The resolution passed by a large majority in The US House of Representatives’ declares not only a cold war
    against Russia, but a hot war for Kiev against Novorussia. The U.S. is going all in, and Ukraine will be the sacrifice.

    MORE-
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politic...es_green_light
    I never knew 1.0 was over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Oh, they are perfectly understandable, all right. I just question the wisdom and the legality.
    Just as some of us questioned the wisdom and legality of the Bush/Cheney decision to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Just as some of us questioned the wisdom and legality of the Bush/Cheney decision to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The pursuit of Al Qaeda was perfectly justifiable-- the continued stay was questionable to say the least. The invasion of Iraq, which I admit I initially bought into, was an immoral move on the US's part, since there was no imminent threat to the US even if WMD did exist. It's a cowboy mentality that Americans had better get over quickly or suffer the sad consequences. I don't think I'll ever vote for another Texan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    The pursuit of Al Qaeda was perfectly justifiable...
    ... like the dog chasing it's tail.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    The pursuit of Al Qaeda was perfectly justifiable-- the continued stay was questionable to say the least. The invasion of Iraq, which I admit I initially bought into, was an immoral move on the US's part, since there was no imminent threat to the US even if WMD did exist. It's a cowboy mentality that Americans had better get over quickly or suffer the sad consequences. I don't think I'll ever vote for another Texan.
    Not even this one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    The pursuit of Al Qaeda was perfectly justifiable...
    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    ... like the dog chasing it's tail.
    See zzone: The al Qaeda = CIA Index

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    Ron Paul on Russia Today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Ron Paul on Russia Today.
    Yes, too much saber rattling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Not even this one?

    He doesn't even remember which departments he will abolish! I wonder which countries he would abolish? We need a Virginian in the Overgrown Office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    The clue to debunking this ad is the term vocalprogressives. LOL So now it is a requirement that a Congressman ignore benefits for anyone who might remotely benefit himself. Leasing land? This is in your face shameless propaganda from the far left smear machine. This is from the same party whose leader, Nancy Pelosi, who directly made her husband rich through legislation. I wonder why the Dems are giving tax subsidies to oil compaies at the present time when they are making money hand over fist? Maybe there's a good reason, like helping to make America energy independent. Whatever the reason, the same would equally apply to what Ryan proposes. If the kettle is black, so is the pot.
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    German Chancellor speaks of Russian interference in Eastern Europe

    2014-12-08 Vatican Radio

    (Vatican Radio)Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel has accused Russia of violating Ukraine's territorial integrity and interfering in the affairs of Eastern European countries seeking closer ties with the European Union. In an interview in Germany's Die Welt am Sonntag newspaper Chancellor Angela Merkel said Russia was "creating problems" for the former Soviet republics Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine. She warned that Russia's violation of "the territorial integrity... of Ukraine must not be allowed to stand".

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    Merkel mentioned Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine as they have signed trade deals with the European Union.

    Russia is suspicious of the association agreements. Russia wants to draw republics that were once part of the Soviet Union into its own customs union.

    Angela Merkel also rejected criticisms of her Russia policy made by her two predecessors as German chancellor.

    Fellow Christian Democrat Helmut Kohl, who left office in 1998, and Social Democrat Gerhard Schröder, whose job she took in 2005, say Germany's policies only isolate Russia and that sanctions hurt both Russian and European interests.

    Yet Merkel said she is convinced that the collective European response to Russia is the right answer.

    She also lashed out at EU member-states France and Italy saying the two countries attempts to reduce their deficits were “insufficient.” Yet, Germany will need their support in its policies towards Russia.

    Merkel noted that Russia had in her words "broken its guarantees in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 which guaranteed the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine."

    That, she stressed, "must not be without consequences."

    It was reference to the Russian annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula.

    The West has also accused Russia of sending military hardware and troops to pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, charges Moscow denies.

    Additionally, Kiev has condemned Russia for interrupting natural-gas supplies to Ukraine, which is now facing country-wide mass electricity cuts. As the war impacted deliveries of coal, Kiev turned to South Africa to boost supplies.

    But the imported coal proved to be unfit for the purpose.

    That prompted Ukraine's authorities to detain the head of a Ukrainian state energy firm on suspicion of embezzlement in relation to the deal.
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