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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    The casino goons think they are serving justice. He should have spit in the face of the casino manager and threatened him that he is going to run an army of card counters through his casino for messing with him.
    That would not be helpful to his settlement goal.
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    Received from Justin today ...

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    Hello ZG,

    There's a few things I can say about this case:
    I will be filing a lawsuit with my Lawyer against Anne Arundel County, Anne Arundel Police Department, and Maryland Live! Casino. We're waiting for the criminal charges to get resolved before filing the lawsuit. The states attorneys office of AA county dropped the criminal charges against the security shift manager of the casino so we're working on getting a special prosecutor assigned from another county.

    The video evidence I received from MD Live included an hour of me playing. They had about a dozen cameras zoomed in on me with extreme close ups of my hands and the cards as I played then following me as I moved to another table in the high limit room. My spread that night was merely 1-4 on a 6 deck game. Maryland Live really had nothing better to do with the millions worth of surveillance equipment so they exerted a lot of effort and technology to scrutinize my play. They also tracked me with their outdoor cameras as I hailed a cab and left.

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    Just watched the whole video, and I saw 3 mistakes he made. Signing anything, saying anything, and going into this corridor in one piece.

    Your big money is in personal injury, so make them injure you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    Just watched the whole video, and I saw 3 mistakes he made. Signing anything, saying anything, and going into this corridor in one piece.

    Your big money is in personal injury, so make them injure you.
    In the recent case with my two friends, there was no touching, no personal injury, but false arrest, violation of rights, and threats. It was very much like this but this one had clearn assault and battery, and a refusal to cash out chips. This chip deal I have seen on the Rez a few times, NEVER in a state reg. casino. There will be a big settlement here, once that jury is seated, the casino and County will cave.

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    I would like to comment further that in the case with my two friends the jury afterward stated that they felt there was malice and an attempt to harm shown to the two so they awarded a big settlement. The issue of malice in this case is very much exemplified by the assault and ALSO the fact of refusing to allow the chips to be cashed thus causing significant financial stress to Justin, as well as the fact that he had no way home and little money to get there. These three acts will and do show extreme MALICE on the part of the casino and the police!!! This was a ruthless and cold blooded calculated act to punish Justin who had broken no laws and threatened no one. One could argue that Justin was further placed under duress and bodily danger by having no ability or funds to get home and the casino and police being fully aware of that and not caring in the least. Could you imagine if Justin had been forced to walk home and had been murdered or assaulted in the process?

    If the casino and the police had made sure he could cash his chips find a way home, then and there, the award would be less, I believe, but still sizable.

    I hope Justin reads this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    I would like to comment further that in the case with my two friends the jury afterward stated that they felt there was malice and an attempt to harm shown to the two so they awarded a big settlement. The issue of malice in this case is very much exemplified by the assault and ALSO the fact of refusing to allow the chips to be cashed thus causing significant financial stress to Justin, as well as the fact that he had no way home and little money to get there. These three acts will and do show extreme MALICE on the part of the casino and the police!!! This was a ruthless and cold blooded calculated act to punish Justin who had broken no laws and threatened no one. One could argue that Justin was further placed under duress and bodily danger by having no ability or funds to get home and the casino and police being fully aware of that and not caring in the least. Could you imagine if Justin had been forced to walk home and had been murdered or assaulted in the process?

    If the casino and the police had made sure he could cash his chips find a way home, then and there, the award would be less, I believe, but still sizable.

    I hope Justin reads this.

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    That's another lesson to be learned, be careful about accepting a ride or a room from a casino where there's a possibility you're going to get ejected. In Vegas proper that's not a problem, you can always jump in a cab quicker than you can find your own car, but on a reservation that's a problem, as is being a stranger walking around in the non-casino part of the rez.

    Not cashing his chips for him looks bad, only time that should ever happen is if there is a charge of stealing or cheating. Casinos are new to Maryland but that casino is known for extreme heat so they knew damned well what is and is not cheating. Sounds to me like they saw they had a young and inexperienced guy, who is also a black guy who might not fare well with the police, and decided to use him as an experimental subject.

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    From the Washington Post -

    Card counting: Cheating or civil right?
    For some successful gamblers, getting ejected for being too good is an occupational hazard. One second, they’re pulling up to a casino in a complimentary luxury car service, and the next second, casino security is hustling them out the back door like some common shoplifter...

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    With the right to refuse service, some states will entertain a hearing and reinstate you if the judge does not feel the business had a good reason to refuse you. Drunk and disorderly, for example, would be a good reason in thise states for a business to bar you. The way you part your hair would not be a good reason in those states. Card counting, while it is harmful to the business, is perfectly legal, and those states might reason that you can't bar someone for a perfectly legal activity. I don't know if Maryland will hear cases on trespass, or just accept the business's right to refuse service, no matter the reason, except for those protected by law, such as race,religion, gender, etc. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Card counting, while it is harmful to the business...
    Disagree that card-counting hurts the casino business. In fact, it's a boon to the business IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    I would like to comment further that in the case with my two friends the jury afterward stated that they felt there was malice and an attempt to harm shown to the two so they awarded a big settlement. The issue of malice in this case is very much exemplified by the assault and ALSO the fact of refusing to allow the chips to be cashed thus causing significant financial stress to Justin, as well as the fact that he had no way home and little money to get there. These three acts will and do show extreme MALICE on the part of the casino and the police!!! This was a ruthless and cold blooded calculated act to punish Justin who had broken no laws and threatened no one. One could argue that Justin was further placed under duress and bodily danger by having no ability or funds to get home and the casino and police being fully aware of that and not caring in the least. Could you imagine if Justin had been forced to walk home and had been murdered or assaulted in the process?

    If the casino and the police had made sure he could cash his chips find a way home, then and there, the award would be less, I believe, but still sizable.

    I hope Justin reads this.

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    Dealing with the house people have to realize that they are dealing with low down and dirty people. His case is a prime example of corporate fascism in my book. The police immediately takes sides with the casino that they are in bed with, the fox protecting the hen house. I am sure the dude is pissed off about the whole ordeal. The casino acting like assholes after the kid just dropped $2800 according to the article I read. I guess the EITS and the people behind the camera are not going to allow some young buck pushing black chips on their BJ tables. I wonder if his win/loss statement had anything to do with him getting hassled by the casino.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Disagree that card-counting hurts the casino business. In fact, it's a boon to the business IMO.
    Do they even realize how hard it is for a counter to hurt a casino? If they just encouraged green chippers to wong on black chip whales, the casino could make money from counters too. That's why I don't understand why the high limit tables are always NMS.

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    That could also make it obvious to the casino as to what is going on in the HL room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Disagree that card-counting hurts the casino business. In fact, it's a boon to the business IMO.
    We are not talking about theories. It is clear that card counting gives the player an advantage over the house it would not otherwise have. It may be true that this fact actually gives encouragement to players to patronize casinos and that the overall result is a net gain to the casinos, but that is only conjecture, not a proven fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    We are not talking about theories. It is clear that card counting gives the player an advantage over the house it would not otherwise have. It may be true that this fact actually gives encouragement to players to patronize casinos and that the overall result is a net gain to the casinos, but that is only conjecture, not a proven fact.
    Straight CCing is still gambling in my opinion, STing and HC are where the real edge is. IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    Straight CCing is still gambling in my opinion, STing and HC are where the real edge is. IMHO.
    It's quantity vs. quality. Those plays are higher value, but rarer and shorter-lived. CC you can do anywhere, and for a long time. Being I play mostly BJ derivatives with difficult counts it's unlikely anyone in the casino knows what I'm doing. They might see that I'm spreading, but until they send the video out to a consultant they won't know for sure if I'm playing with an advantage.

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