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    Default Wattenberger Bans Ouchez THE Creeping Panther

    Quote Originally Posted by sagefr0g View Post
    wow CP you know i self banned myself from the normal site, how's that for self censor of speech or actions? just knew i'd eventually get my tits in the ringer over there sooner or later, lol. not so much a problem on this site, lmao. zg may be a bad boy like they say over on the normal site but hey, he pretty much payed the price, time to let up on the guy, let bygones be bygones, everyone deserves another chance. and who really knows or wants to judge, dude may not really be what others want to rack him up to be, sorta thing. lot of wild yack on this site far as i'm concerned but i don't discern the hate crime sorta drift that the finger pointers over on the normal site seem to believe is prevalent.
    but anyway just me maybe, but the internet is a goofy place far as interpersonal relations goes. put us all in a restaurant, bar, out in the woods or maybe a fishing boat and we'd all be having a grand ole time, is my guess.
    anyway just thought i'd touch base with yah over this.
    also, a chance to let yah take a look at my new cat, Blackie. (politically incorrect name i guess, but i've had loads of black friends and i'm sure they wouldn't fault me for the name.) anyway a real panther, ehh?Attachment 28299

    Thanks for the note, hope you and Y are swell. Like the cat too. All cats are cool, I still have my two, both were strays that came to the Tepee.

    Norm is just,,,, out to get me for my political postings here and to protect his sales. My post on Ebola was all about telling all my BJ Bro and Sis AP's about how to handle the chips and buttons on machines, how to protect themselves from the disease in the casino, very medical themed, but while I was just showing love and care for fellow AP's Norm didn't care about them, only I did, and he busted the post, for no real reason but spite and hatred for someone that does not have the same politics as he., and someone who posts the reality of AP CC in this day and age of lousy games, thus a threat to his money making machine.

    I put on AP BASHES, paid all the bills for them, did all the work,, brought AP's together to go on to much greater things, pass on info, advice. knowledge, kept the peace on the sites when called for,,, and what does Norm do, denies real medical info to AP's on how to stay clear of Ebola in the casino, makes money selling his software from his site, charges for full use of his site, and uses his site to push his far left wing politics, and then threatens anyone with different beliefs. I think I have done more for true AP's, for free, and out of love for them, than Norm would ever be capable of doing, yet he thinks he is all it. Then Norm appoints TThree to be his hit man and BAM,! in his first hate ridden rant he spouts blatant lies which are quickly proven as such, ,, nice appointment there Norm And BSer, TTHree hangs, slowly twisting in the wind.

    Norm claims to know me, for 12 years, to be my friend, I have never met him, only know him from the sites, never talked BJ with him, and he is an aquaintance only there, as I believe I first came to his aid around 2000 when he was getting the shit kicked out of him on some AP site. I should have shut my mouth but I have a weakness for the underdog, and I thought he was at the time. Thereafter it seemed like everytime I ran into Norm on a site he was getting his ass kicked, and I would back him again....I am just too damn nice I guess

    As for Z-Man, I agree, He deserves to be let on with his life, without Norm always mentioning Z's past mistakes, screaming it from the mountain tops,, how very cruel of Norm to do that! I truly believe that if Norm had children he would be a far better, more empathetic human, instead all he has are his demons. I can assert that several or more months ago ZG wanted to bury the hatchet with Norm, I mediated, and Norm would accept nothing short of total capitulation, the hate displayed by Norm, the rage, I found appalling,, and sad,,,, ZG was giving in 90%, but Norm did not want peace, just a pound of flesh,,I gave up and told ZG,,, "I feared Norm was losing it". (Another very well known and respected poster can attest to this. Possibly two of them.)

    That is the true story of Norm,,O yes, he asked me to be on his site via-email, he gave me a free subscription, but I guess the real price of that is to bend over for Norm, that will never happen, I too, like you Wise Won, do not need Norm and will not post on his site again, I am moving on, I have a life, a pretty nice one, with SUPER Grandkids and family, and the ZZone, Casinos, Movies, cycles, etc.

    Enough already of Norm.

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    Default Blackjack THE Forum Bans ... Creeping Panther

    And another one bites the dust!

    Automatic Monkey
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    ... and now

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    And another one bites the dust!
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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    I have called out tthree on norms site for the lie he told about coming to this site, he has removed his hate filled rant and says he did it out of honor and manliness, I have just told him that the real reason was to cover his bald faced lie.

    Please make sure this graph remains for some time as I have pointed to it to show his lying ways and lack of credibility, so very evident now.

    It is amazing, the two people, Norm and TThree, that rant on and on about this "hate Filled" site are the two people that have shown more hate than anyone I have known on the sites, and in reality Norm shows the most hate hands down, but tthree is the biggest bully, pilling on his specialty. But, I do wish them both well, as I do have an abundance of love in my heart
    A sampling from Norm's site, thread entitled: OUCHEZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    A sampling from Norm's site, thread entitled: OUCHEZ.

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    What Norm needs to do, as I recommended, is to restore my Ebola post, and then his reply and my reply to it. Then he has my permission to post his PM to me concerning my Ebola post. Then he needs to explain the threat to me and others for posting on the ZZone, political posts mind you. These must be done UNEDITED!

    Then Norm needs to admit he altered my profile without my permission, removing a very long standing liner under my postings stating "The empire is over, time to restore the republic" PJB.

    If Norm does this all will see what is behind this situation, Norm does not want to expose this evidence, I demand he does so.

    However, I am done posting under this unstable, untruthful, tyrant.

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    Well if they want war, let's give them war! Site wars are kind of fun, as long as they are done in good humor.

    I recently joined the site through a proxy server using a random name, let's see how long it takes them to figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    Well if they want war, let's give them war! Site wars are kind of fun, as long as they are done in good humor.

    I recently joined the site through a proxy server using a random name, let's see how long it takes them to figure it out.
    I respectfully ask you guys not to engage in this kind of activity. I respect that much of the membership here does not like Norman for a variety of reasons and that is fine. And you all don't participate there, some by your own choice, some by his choice. That too is fine. I personally wish it were different, but it is, what it is. But there are some of us members of the community that like and respect some of the membership here as well as over there and still benefit from that site. So, I would again, respectfully ask you not to push the situation to the point that Norm shuts down, for our sake.

    Creeping Panther (which I have always preferred to Ouchez), I am not taking sides on this. You know that I like and respect you a great deal. But, I am confused by you on this issue. I know how much you like your political discussions, but you know that Norm wanted a site free of political discussion. You have abided by that for 3 years now, and now all of the sudden, felt compelled to post something political, even if your intention was to benefit us Vegas players as you say. I just am not sure why, all of the sudden, you needed to challenge this no political discussion thing. But maybe you have your reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I respectfully ask you guys not to engage in this kind of activity. I respect that much of the membership here does not like Norman for a variety of reasons and that is fine. And you all don't participate there, some by your own choice, some by his choice. That too is fine. I personally wish it were different, but it is, what it is. But there are some of us members of the community that like and respect some of the membership here as well as over there and still benefit from that site. So, I would again, respectfully ask you not to push the situation to the point that Norm shuts down, for our sake.
    He doesn't have to shut the site down. He can just fake its death. Good to see you man!

    (Seriously, I do not dislike Norm at all. He has fine professional standards as a software author, but controlling AP's and their commentary on websites is about as practicable as herding cats, and the ridicule he gets for attempting it he brings on himself.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    He doesn't have to shut the site down. He can just fake its death. Good to see you man!

    (Seriously, I do not dislike Norm at all. He has fine professional standards as a software author, but controlling AP's and their commentary on websites is about as practicable as herding cats, and the ridicule he gets for attempting it he brings on himself.)
    Nope the faking of one's death has been done...."to death". He would have to come up with something new.

    Personally, I don't see why if one is running a blackjack site, that it is unreasonable to not want political discussions. It isn't an open message board (like this one).....it is a blackjack message board. I don't see anything wrong with that, if that is his desire. he has been involved in enough of those discussions to know that is not what he wanted his site to be. I am completely ok with that. I know some of you that like those discussions or to be more accurate 'fight club' scenes don't like it.

    Good to see you too, AM. Hope you are well and enjoying financial success at whatever you are up to and I am sure you are up to something. Btw, about the AM racist discussion: I have no idea if you are a racist and frankly don't care. That's your business. I do think you are very homophobic, and that too is your right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Nope the faking of one's death has been done...."to death". He would have to come up with something new.

    Personally, I don't see why if one is running a blackjack site, that it is unreasonable to not want political discussions. It isn't an open message board (like this one).....it is a blackjack message board. I don't see anything wrong with that, if that is his desire. he has been involved in enough of those discussions to know that is not what he wanted his site to be. I am completely ok with that. I know some of you that like those discussions or to be more accurate 'fight club' scenes don't like it.

    Good to see you too, AM. Hope you are well and enjoying financial success at whatever you are up to and I am sure you are up to something. Btw, about the AM racist discussion: I have no idea if you are a racist and frankly don't care. That's your business. I do think you are very homophobic, and that too is your right.
    I get that. But you have to account for that fact that we're human beings too, and [I]extremely intelligent[I] ones, with diverse backgrounds. There is no way you're going to put a bunch of people like that in a room and not get political/social/religious opinions being expressed. On the old site when things like that got mixed up in an AP discussion we would say "Take it to the Zen Zone" and it could continue there.

    Playing BJ I've teamed with people of different races, religions and sexual preferences. Could not care less about those things, in that context. But does not the definition of being straight require, at least to some small degree, being "homophobic?" If I didn't recoil a bit when I see two guys kissing, I wouldn't be completely straight, would I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I respectfully ask you guys not to engage in this kind of activity. I respect that much of the membership here does not like Norman for a variety of reasons and that is fine. And you all don't participate there, some by your own choice, some by his choice. That too is fine. I personally wish it were different, but it is, what it is. But there are some of us members of the community that like and respect some of the membership here as well as over there and still benefit from that site. So, I would again, respectfully ask you not to push the situation to the point that Norm shuts down, for our sake.

    Creeping Panther (which I have always preferred to Ouchez), I am not taking sides on this. You know that I like and respect you a great deal. But, I am confused by you on this issue. I know how much you like your political discussions, but you know that Norm wanted a site free of political discussion. You have abided by that for 3 years now, and now all of the sudden, felt compelled to post something political, even if your intention was to benefit us Vegas players as you say. I just am not sure why, all of the sudden, you needed to challenge this no political discussion thing. But maybe you have your reasons.
    Hello my friend,

    You have not read my post? It was not political, that is a smoke screen offered up by Norm, how is Ebola political? When I penned the post I was actually thinking of you, it was heavy on medical, prevention issues, and why Vegas was most threatened because "interests" may desire to target it, I worried for all of you Vegas AP's and well as for all AP's in the USA. I put time and effort into the post, to do good for all, careful not to cross any lines, or plant a clear idea into those "interests". The post was medical and very important material, the first post of it sort on the site, and when Norm busted it he denied valuable information, of life and death, to all my AP Brothers and Sisters, it was cold and callous of him, I did no harm, and he busted it! He cares not for the welfare of AP's or he would not have done so, I was shocked, baffled and saddened, but said nothing, and then his very nasty PM, and the altering of my personal profile. I want nothing to do with such a cold, uncaring, phony person such as Norm, he truly sickens me. I see him now for what he truly is.

    What has happened since my post?, just now, on the news, there is fear Ebola is now in NYC, very close to Norm, CDC admits they were ineffective, nurses become whistle blowers on the ineffective prevention protocals, and ISIS has attacked in Canada and people are dead, and I was wrong for making the post? Norm thought the Flu was more of a threat than Ebola, that was his contrite response to me, now it may be at his doorstep, hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    So, I would again, respectfully ask you not to push the situation to the point that Norm shuts down...
    Life with Norm ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    A sampling from Norm's site, thread entitled: OUCHEZ.

    The above link and most of Norm's forums have now been sequestered, for subscribers only. There goes his SEO-indexing, I would think?
    Some admins, Norm we suspect for one, can read all their members' PMs but can't stand it that another forum reads their public (and nasty) discourses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    Well if they want war, let's give them war! Site wars are kind of fun, as long as they are done in good humor.

    I recently joined the site through a proxy server using a random name, let's see how long it takes them to figure it out.
    Good Humor must be maintained, the order of the day.
    Your randomly simian name gives it away there.

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    He went bowling? If he rented shoes, were they sprayed to kill any ebola sweat in there? And now I see a NY doctor tested positive for ebola...
    "After returning from Africa, Dr Spencer travelled by subway to a bowling alley in the city's Brooklyn borough on Wednesday night and took a taxi home.The bowling alley, identified by local media as the Gutter, was closed on Thursday." [Gee, I hope that wasn't the same bowling alley]

    RELEVANT (from the Big Lewbowski): While urinating on the Dude's rug, the Threehorn thug says "Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski!" This is a play on the Latin phrase "Sic semper tyrannis!" (Thus always to tyrants!), which was allegedly spoken by the murderers of Gaio Giulio Cesare and Abraham Lincoln during the assassinations.

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