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    Is the Shroud of Turin Real?

    by D.M. Murdock/Acharya S

    Is the Shroud of Turin genuine? Or is it a forgery in a long line of 'pious frauds?' How was it made?


    The Shroud of Turin is a world-famous piece of cloth alleged to have been the burial garment of Jesus Christ. The shroud is held up by believers as evidence not only of Christ's existence but also of his divinity. But is the shroud real? Or is it a fake?

    In this analysis, it should be kept in mind that the story of Jesus Christ in the New Testament and other Christian texts is demonstrably fictional, created in order to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion. In doing so, the Church forged hundreds of texts, which were constantly reworked, mutilated and interpolated over the centuries.

    The Faithful Forgery Factory

    In its quest to establish a religion to gain power and wealth, the Church forgery mill did not limit itself to mere writings but for centuries cranked out thousands of phony "relics" of its "Lord," "Apostles" and "Saints." Although true believers keep attempting to prove otherwise, through one implausible theory after another, the Shroud of Turin is counted among this group of frauds:
    There were at least 26 "authentic" burial shrouds scattered throughout the abbeys of Europe, of which the Shroud of Turin is just one.... The Shroud of Turin is one of the many relics manufactured for profit during the Middle Ages. Shortly after the Shroud emerged it was declared a fake by the bishop who discovered the artist. This is verified by recent scientific investigation which found paint in the image areas. The Shroud of Turin is also not consistent with Gospel accounts of Jesus' burial, which clearly refer to multiple cloths and a separate napkin over his face.

    "The Shroud of Turin is one of the many relics manufactured for profit during the Middle Ages. Shortly after the Shroud emerged it was declared a fake by the bishop who discovered the artist."

    In the literature, we find references to shrouds of Milan, Lodz, Nice, Aix-la-Chapelle and Besançon, among others. Concerning this issue of relic-forging, Dr. Gerald Larue remarks:
    Carbon-14 dating has demonstrated that the shroud is a 14th-century forgery and is one of many such deliberately created relics produced in the same period, all designed to attract pilgrims to specific shrines to enhance and increase the status and financial income of the local church.

    Mythicist Barbara G. Walker, author of Man Made God, likewise comments on the holy relic mill:
    About the beginning of the 9th century, bones, teeth, hair, garments, and other relics of fictitious saints were conveniently "found" all over Europe and Asia and triumphantly installed in the reliquaries of every church, until all Catholic Europe was falling to its knees before what Calvin called its anthill of bones....

    St. Luke was touted as one of the ancient world's most prolific artists, to judge from the numerous portraits of the Virgin, painted by him, that appeared in many churches. Some still remain, despite ample proof that all such portraits were actually painted during the Middle Ages.
    MORE: http://www.truthbeknown.com/shroud.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Is the Shroud of Turin Real?

    by D.M. Murdock/Acharya S

    Is the Shroud of Turin genuine? Or is it a forgery in a long line of 'pious frauds?' How was it made?


    The Shroud of Turin is a world-famous piece of cloth alleged to have been the burial garment of Jesus Christ. The shroud is held up by believers as evidence not only of Christ's existence but also of his divinity. But is the shroud real? Or is it a fake?

    In this analysis, it should be kept in mind that the story of Jesus Christ in the New Testament and other Christian texts is demonstrably fictional, created in order to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion. In doing so, the Church forged hundreds of texts, which were constantly reworked, mutilated and interpolated over the centuries.

    The Faithful Forgery Factory

    In its quest to establish a religion to gain power and wealth, the Church forgery mill did not limit itself to mere writings but for centuries cranked out thousands of phony "relics" of its "Lord," "Apostles" and "Saints." Although true believers keep attempting to prove otherwise, through one implausible theory after another, the Shroud of Turin is counted among this group of frauds:
    There were at least 26 "authentic" burial shrouds scattered throughout the abbeys of Europe, of which the Shroud of Turin is just one.... The Shroud of Turin is one of the many relics manufactured for profit during the Middle Ages. Shortly after the Shroud emerged it was declared a fake by the bishop who discovered the artist. This is verified by recent scientific investigation which found paint in the image areas. The Shroud of Turin is also not consistent with Gospel accounts of Jesus' burial, which clearly refer to multiple cloths and a separate napkin over his face.

    "The Shroud of Turin is one of the many relics manufactured for profit during the Middle Ages. Shortly after the Shroud emerged it was declared a fake by the bishop who discovered the artist."

    In the literature, we find references to shrouds of Milan, Lodz, Nice, Aix-la-Chapelle and Besançon, among others. Concerning this issue of relic-forging, Dr. Gerald Larue remarks:
    Carbon-14 dating has demonstrated that the shroud is a 14th-century forgery and is one of many such deliberately created relics produced in the same period, all designed to attract pilgrims to specific shrines to enhance and increase the status and financial income of the local church.

    Mythicist Barbara G. Walker, author of Man Made God, likewise comments on the holy relic mill:
    About the beginning of the 9th century, bones, teeth, hair, garments, and other relics of fictitious saints were conveniently "found" all over Europe and Asia and triumphantly installed in the reliquaries of every church, until all Catholic Europe was falling to its knees before what Calvin called its anthill of bones....

    St. Luke was touted as one of the ancient world's most prolific artists, to judge from the numerous portraits of the Virgin, painted by him, that appeared in many churches. Some still remain, despite ample proof that all such portraits were actually painted during the Middle Ages.
    MORE: http://www.truthbeknown.com/shroud.htm

    What would you expect from an author who does not believe Jesus Christ existed in the first place? Wouldn't that constitute a bias going into his so-called study? I discount anything claimed by someone with an ax to grind. This does not mean that I am 100% sure that the shroud is genuine, but I think it is from the evidence that contradicts this guy's dubious assertions. No matter. It is not germane to Christian faith, which does not rely on relics of the past.

    THe video below is an interview with the world's leading expert on the shroud, who himself is a Jew, both culturally and religiously. If you watch it, ignore any religiou overtones bythe people who produced it and get right down to the interview, which is not the least bit religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    What would you expect from an author who does not believe Jesus Christ existed in the first place? Wouldn't that constitute a bias going into his so-called study? I discount anything claimed by someone with an ax to grind. This does not mean that I am 100% sure that the shroud is genuine, but I think it is from the evidence that contradicts this guy's dubious assertions. No matter. It is not germane to Christian faith, which does not rely on relics of the past.
    It's not a he guy. It's a she, and a prolific author and renowned scholar as well... That is her there...

    Welcome to the world of
    Acharya S/D.M. Murdock!


    Truth Be Known was created in 1995 by independent scholar of comparative religion and mythology D.M. Murdock, also known as "Acharya S."
    Acharya's work is designed to bring to light fascinating lost, hidden and destroyed religious, mythological and spiritual traditions that reveal an exciting core of knowledge dating back thousands of years.


    The Controversy

    Despite all of this literature continuously being cranked out and the significance of the issue, in the public at large there remains a serious lack of formal and broad education regarding religion and mythology, and most individuals are highly uninformed in this area.

    Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.


    Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures.

    Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers.

    History and Positions of the Debate

    This controversy has existed from the very beginning, and the writings of the Church fathers themselves reveal that they were constantly forced by the Pagan intelligentsia to defend what the non-Christians and other Christians ("heretics") alike saw as a preposterous and fabricated yarn with absolutely no evidence of it ever having taken place in history.


    As Rev. Dr. Robert Taylor says, "And from the apostolic age downwards, in a never interrupted succession, but never so strongly and emphatically as in the most primitive times, was the existence of Christ as a man most strenuously denied." According to these learned dissenters, the New Testament could rightly be called, "Gospel Fictions."

    SOURCE: http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    It's not a he guy. It's a she....
    Okay, "she."
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    There is so much fraud in the origins and perpetuation of Christianity it's difficult to know where to begin. Murdoch is one scholar and author who has learned much of this fraud, through her long research. She is one who has the ability to speak with authority on the matter...




    The Controversy

    Despite all of this literature continuously being cranked out and the significance of the issue, in the public at large there remains a serious lack of formal and broad education regarding religion and mythology, and most individuals are highly uninformed in this area.

    Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.


    Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures.

    Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers.





    THANK YOU JESUS, I WON A MEDAL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    There is so much fraud in the origins and perpetuation of Christianity it's difficult to know where to begin. Murdoch is one scholar and author who has learned much of this fraud, through her long research. She is one who has the ability to speak with authority on the matter...




    The Controversy

    Despite all of this literature continuously being cranked out and the significance of the issue, in the public at large there remains a serious lack of formal and broad education regarding religion and mythology, and most individuals are highly uninformed in this area.

    Concerning the issue of Christianity, for example, the majority of people are taught in most schools and churches that Jesus Christ was an actual historical figure and that the only controversy regarding him is that some people accept him as the Son of God and the Messiah, while others do not. However, whereas this is the raging debate most evident in this field today, it is not the most important. Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed.


    Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures.

    Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers.





    THANK YOU JESUS, I WON A MEDAL

    Well, I'm glad your side of the issue has authorities. My side has several thousand authorities, too. I've read a lot of what each side has to say, and I've read a lot of the original sources (translated of course since I don't read Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek) and I am persuaded that Jesus Christ existed and that He was who He said He was. In fact, since He rose from the dead of His own power, an unprecedented event, He still is who He said He was. It doesn't matter whether you believe or not. Maybe your time has not yet come, and maybe you will still not believe when it does come-- I think it has a lot to do with one's attitude, proud or humble, kind or mean, loving or hateful, forgiving or unforgiving, that kind of thing... but if you want to know for sure, I am sure He will oblige you if you ask-- you know, like, if you really do exist, show me... He will... maybe not the way you'd expect, but He will...

    You know, the first 400 years of Christianity there was no Bible, so not too much room for fraud as in deliberately mistranslating the texts.
    The main body of Christianity was unanimous on what the faith was and they cherished more or less the same as yet unauthorized texts. If there was any fraud to be perpetuated, it would have to be from those original spreaders of the good news-- the apostles, twelve after Judas was replaced. You are crediting these country bumpkins and illiterate fishermen with a stupendous fraud that interpreted every book of the Jewish Bible in light of Jesus Christ as Messiah and came up with all the mystical elements of Christianity, Baptism, the changing of bread and wine into Christ's Body and Blood, the mystery of the Trinity, a doctrine not found in their previous Jewish religion, the resurrection from the dead and ascension into heaven, the conversion of Saul, the persecutor of Christians, into the leading proponent of the Christian faith, and so forth and so on. You are really making these illiterates into twelve brilliant fellows with a plan to deceive the world, for what reason I don't have a clue, since the early Christian communities were poor and everyone shared whatever they had with everyone else. And they really carried the ddeception to great lengths with all but one of them dying for their "deception" and refusing to recant. What a magnificent deception, right down to their own deaths! Marvelous! They don't make con men the way they used to! And they did it all without reward-- I guess so that those who came after them after several years of persecution could prosper and dance on their graves. I have to hand it to you, Katz-- you spin a fine tale. Too bad that Christianity is obviously true. Just read the New Testament. That's all you need and you will see-- but to see, you must open your eyes-- that only stands to reason.
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    Just for posterity, DM Murdock - she is neither atheist, nor does she disbelieve that genuine Avatars exist or have existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Just for posterity, DM Murdock - she is neither atheist, nor does she disbelieve that genuine Avatars exist or have existed.
    To clarify what you just said, Murdock does not believe that Jesus Christ existed, much less was an avatar. Did someone say she was an atheist? She may well be a non-Christian deist of one form or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    To clarify what you just said, Murdock does not believe that Jesus Christ existed, much less was an avatar. Did someone say she was an atheist? She may well be a non-Christian deist of one form or another.
    Yeah, like many of your Founding Fathers who saw through the fake veneers of Christianity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Yeah, like many of your Founding Fathers who saw through the fake veneers of Christianity.
    If you are talking about the vast majority of cultural or nominal Christians who do not take the Christian faith to heart, I agree with you and the founding fathers. I believe it is said that 80% of Catholics do not believe and practice all the doctrines of the Catholic faith.
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    Thank God for the ones who do [practice their faith]. Now, our job is to get the others on boards, as well, and as many others as we can drag kicking and screaming into eternal happiness. "But I don't want to be happy!!!"
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    CANNIBALS! OMG


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    CANNIBALS! OMG
    Catholics eat the glorified body of Christ and drink the glorified blood of Christ. Glorified refers to the change that was evident in Christ after He had risen from the dead. He could eat fish, as He did with some of the apostles on the seashore, or He could appear behind locked doors, yet still physical so that Thomas, the doubting apostle, could touch the nail wounds in His hands and the sword wound in His side. Since the communion host has all the appearances of bread, it does not evoke thoughts of cannibalism, yet it is really Christ's body and blood that we consume, since the bread and wine, though they appear to remain bread and wine, have undergone a miraculous change so that their substance actually is flesh and blood. Somehow it has a transformative effect on all who consume it worthily. I know-- I'm cracked! Cracked sane!
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