Reading the dealer's hole card in a 6D game?

**Blitzkrieg** · July 12th, 2014, 09:32 PM

Does anyone know how it would be possible to read the dealers hole card in a 6D game that is dealt from a shoe? Thinking about this, I don't see how it could be possible.

**aslan** · July 14th, 2014, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

Does anyone know how it would be possible to read the dealers hole card in a 6D game that is dealt from a shoe? Thinking about this, I don't see how it could be possible.

I have had the opportunity to read a dealer's hole card in 6-deck when he had a ten upcard and tilted his hole card peeking to see if he had Blackjack. This particular dealer revealed his hole card each and every time he peeked. Most dealers, however, slide the card, not affording this opportunity.

**Blitzkrieg** · July 14th, 2014, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by aslan

I have had the opportunity to read a dealer's hole card in 6-deck when he had a ten upcard and tilted his hole card peeking to see if he had Blackjack. This particular dealer revealed his hole card each and every time he peeked. Most dealers, however, slide the card, not affording this opportunity.

I wondered how it would be possible on 6D. I've never had the opportunity to spy the dealers hole card in 6D but maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, in my early days of playing I didn't even think about this topic. But now, it's something that I am going to be watching for, waiting for a dealer to screw up. What seat were you sitting in?

**aslan** · July 14th, 2014, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

I wondered how it would be possible on 6D. I've never had the opportunity to spy the dealers hole card in 6D but maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, in my early days of playing I didn't even think about this topic. But now, it's something that I am going to be watching for, waiting for a dealer to screw up. What seat were you sitting in?

I was at second base, but the dealer's hole card in this atypical example could be easily seen by the first four seats. For this reason, ploppies at the table telegraphed their good fortune and the pit boss stepped in and corrected the dealer after several hands had been dealt. Had those seats been filled by APs, who knows how long it might have lasted?

**Blitzkrieg** · July 14th, 2014, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by aslan

I was at second base, but the dealer's hole card in this atypical example could be easily seen by the first four seats. For this reason, ploppies at the table telegraphed their good fortune and the pit boss stepped in and corrected the dealer after several hands had been dealt. Had those seats been filled by APs, who knows how long it might have lasted?

If people were getting that type of advantage you would figure they would keep quiet about a dealer mistake like the one you described. But they don't mind if the house has an edge grinding on them, that's okay. If those seats had been filled with AP's, no doubt they would have taken advantage of the house. I would have.

**creeping panther** · July 14th, 2014, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

If people were getting that type of advantage you would figure they would keep quiet about a dealer mistake like the one you described. But they don't mind if the house has an edge grinding on them, that's okay. If those seats had been filled with AP's, no doubt they would have taken advantage of the house. I would have.

I have seen players correct a dealer so many times it made me sick!

CP

**Blitzkrieg** · July 14th, 2014, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by creeping panther

I have seen players correct a dealer so many times it made me sick!

CP

Isn't that odd? And these same players, if you were playing poker with them for real money at stake and if they seen your hole cards... would they tell you that they seen or spied your cards? I think not.

Often in a live game, sometimes I can see the players hole cards to my right or left and they are not showing me on purpose, it's not my fault when they don't know how to protect their own hand.

**zengrifter** · August 28th, 2016, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

Does anyone know how it would be possible to read the dealers hole card in a 6D game that is dealt from a shoe? Thinking about this, I don't see how it could be possible.

I have done it with the odd sloppy dealer that chronically fumbles with the card reader.
Also, it is done with a microcamera in the sleeve of a player at 1st base.

**Blitzkrieg** · August 29th, 2016, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by zengrifter

I have done it with the odd sloppy dealer that chronically fumbles with the card reader.
Also, it is done with a microcamera in the sleeve of a player at 1st base.

I was thinking a microcamera would do the trick as a way to get the HC when cards are dealt from a shoe. Trying to find a real sloppy dealer in the casino is like finding a unicorn.

**creeping panther** · August 29th, 2016, 05:26 PM

Blitz, did you ever notice how often, in poker, players flash their hand? I always watch for a sloppy dealer no matter what game I play, it happens more often than you would imagine.

CP

**Boz** · August 29th, 2016, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

I was thinking a microcamera would do the trick as a way to get the HC when cards are dealt from a shoe. Trying to find a real sloppy dealer in the casino is like finding a unicorn.

I'm not a holecarder, I don't even know what to look for. The only time I've been able to holecard more than one freak hand out of a few hundred was at a 6D shoe in blackjack. Near-perfect info on about 33% of hands. Not exactly like looking for a unicorn. More like looking for a dealer who is almost never rotated into blackjack.

**Blitzkrieg** · August 30th, 2016, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by creeping panther

Blitz, did you ever notice how often, in poker, players flash their hand? I always watch for a sloppy dealer no matter what game I play, it happens more often than you would imagine.

CP

Poker players are easy to take out CP. In fact I look at every poker player I've ever come across in a private or home game as being weak whenever there is no professional dealer standing in my way to get to them. Having to deal with casino dealers is another thing as they are trained to not show a flash. Good house dealers are not like the average person walking the street who don't know how to protect themselves. Poker is like a fight, whenever your in the ring players have to protect themselves at all times. You say that it happens more often than I would imagine and I would have to tend to think that you are right. However for a person who does not live in a casino town it makes it that much more difficult because I don't network with any other people in my region and don't have that much time whenever I do go to a casino to scout dealers.

**TopGunWon** · September 3rd, 2016, 01:26 PM

It would probably take two to force the dealer to expose the HC in a shoe game. Player on first base crowds the layout by playing 2 hands and putting the bets forward in the betting circle to cause the dealer to move the cards over the lip of the chip tray. Spotter on third. It takes the right layout, often a pitch table used for shoe games, to squeeze the layout enough. Sloppy dealers are a plus.