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    Last night while I was playing no-limit hold'em at my favorite tavern I called the jack of diamonds in the burn and was correct. I was shuffle tracking on this one ladies deal as she sat on the opposite side of the table from me and I noticed how she would never get the bottom card on her left side shuffled into the deck. After she was done shuffling she passed the deck to the player to the right of her to cut the cards. He cut it near the bottom but there were enough cards on top to where I had a high probability guess that the jack of diamonds was either going to hit the board or was going to be in the burn pile with consideration to how many players were on the table. After the hand played out it was obvious that it didn't hit the board but I had the dealer check the burn pile and there it was.

    Playing poker in a friendly, non-casino environment is allowing me to work on elementary shuffle tracking techniques as I observe other players deals.
    I managed to win the most points and put a thorough beating on my opponents last night as I finished 3rd and 5th place out of the night's two games out of 50+ players in both games. I did not give them the luxury to shuffle track on my deal as I am the only one giving a real poker shuffle in the joint.

    When it comes to blackjack in today's world is it even feasible or would it even be worth the brain power to work at shuffle tracking considering that a lot of casinos use ASM's, that shuffling technique procedures may differ from casino to casino, or that shuffling techniques differ from dealer to dealer?

    I don't think casinos trust their own dealers and that's why they have those damn ASM's. They want to remove the human element from the game because they know that dealers will bite the hand that feeds, and they want to negate shuffle tracking altogether.

    I have an idea of how I could practice shuffle tracking on my own in that I start with an all red or blue deck for a SD or DD game, and then insert one card of the opposite color and then proceed to riffle shuffle the deck to see how it changes in positions throughout a shuffle. But as I mentioned, is it even going to be worth the effort in today's blackjack games where most casinos use ASM's?
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; July 9th, 2014 at 01:40 AM.

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    Default 6 of Clubs on the Turn and a little magic

    Last night I pulled off my best bluff ever in a game of NLHE poker. Here is how it happened. The dealer/player is shuffling the cards and I'm under the gun, blinds are at 200/400. I cannot remember what hand I had but I called, 2 players to my left call and the dealer calls. Prior to the deal I was able to determine what card was on the bottom of the deck due to sloppy card shuffling, the 6 of Clubs. The dealer passes the deck to the player to his right to cut the deck, the woman cuts the deck more than 2/3's of the way down and when I seen where she cut the deck I figured that the 6 of Clubs was going to hit the flop. Before the dealer deals the flop I start announcing to the dealer and the table to put a 6 out there and I repeat myself several times to get the table worked up on my premonition that the 6 will hit. The flop came Q,5,7 of which I missed completely, 3 players check around to the dealer, the dealer bets 500, I call and the 2 other players fold. By this time I'm thinking that the 6 may be the first burn card or it could come on the turn or be the second burn card. Before the dealer deals the turn card I start telling him to, "Put a 6 out there, put a 6 out there!" Boom! The 6 of Clubs landed on the turn! When I seen it I said, "There it goes," and now lead out with a nice bet of $2500. The dealer thinks for awhile and then folds. I show him my bluff and that I completely missed all the cards on the board, sucker. When the lady cut the deck and handed the cards back to the dealer I was able to deck estimate the position of the 6 of Clubs due to the number of players on the table, 6, and where it was in the deck, approximately cards 14-18 from the top of the deck. So if 6 players are in the game the first 12 cards will be meaningless and the 6 is not going to be in the first 12 cards. That's how I knew it would be a high probability for the 6 of Clubs to show, gotta think quick at the table. They were all amused by my insight and how I could guess that any particular card would come up, especially when I'm calling it up. I told them all is was just magic. They didn't understand it and the thought went right over their heads. That is what you do to Teddy KGB. That's how I handle'em.
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    Default Blitz

    I see you are still having fun, even STinging poker, I am impressed.

    However you must be careful what you say, your exuberance could also do you in.

    When did you start playing for those $ stakes?

    Thanks for the sharing.

    CP
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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    I see you are still having fun, even STinging poker, I am impressed.

    However you must be careful what you say, your exuberance could also do you in.

    When did you start playing for those $ stakes?

    Thanks for the sharing.

    CP
    Hey CP. Yep I'm still having fun. Actually I was not playing for those stakes in a casino, I should have mentioned that. It was an NHLE tournament style play with the local city players where I'm getting a free roll on some cash, enough to make me interested. I'm just waiting to play the $$$ game now. A guy from the other club came to play in the game where I frequent and I gave him a warm welcoming. I've been running okay in poker since my last trip to the bigger venue where I won the 3 poker sessions I played in, maybe 15 hours put in overall for those 3 sessions. Since I've been back I've placed 1st, 5th, 2nd, 5th in a deepstack tourney (the bubble boy in a different casino venue), 1st, 3rd, and 3rd. All small fields with a minimum of 35 players.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; May 28th, 2016 at 11:37 PM.

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    After I bluffed the guy and showed him I had nothing he did something most unusual regarding his table image. He changed his image, he put on his shades that he brought to the game. Before I had put a move on this guy he wasn't wearing any shades. He must have felt like he could have hid at the table by putting his shades on. I mean as a poker player why bring a pair of shades to the game if your not going to wear them? Was he thinking he would look stupid at the table with shades on, so that's why he didn't put them on when the game initially began? He must have had them in his pocket and was just waiting for an opportune time to put them on I guess? I'm still trying to figure it out. As if the shades had anything to do with the game, with the bluff, with his game. Maybe he felt ashamed for being played in such a manner and that's why he put on his shades. His buddy that was sitting to his left, this guy had some ear buds in his ears which looked like they were from the 1980's or early 90's. It was a pretty hilarious scene the way I saw it. I was trying to be a good sport but I was dying inside with laughter.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; June 13th, 2016 at 04:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Last night while I was playing no-limit hold'em at my favorite tavern I called the jack of diamonds in the burn and was correct. I was shuffle tracking on this one ladies deal as she sat on the opposite side of the table from me and I noticed how she would never get the bottom card on her left side shuffled into the deck. After she was done shuffling she passed the deck to the player to the right of her to cut the cards. He cut it near the bottom but there were enough cards on top to where I had a high probability guess that the jack of diamonds was either going to hit the board or was going to be in the burn pile with consideration to how many players were on the table. After the hand played out it was obvious that it didn't hit the board but I had the dealer check the burn pile and there it was.

    Playing poker in a friendly, non-casino environment is allowing me to work on elementary shuffle tracking techniques as I observe other players deals.
    I managed to win the most points and put a thorough beating on my opponents last night as I finished 3rd and 5th place out of the night's two games out of 50+ players in both games. I did not give them the luxury to shuffle track on my deal as I am the only one giving a real poker shuffle in the joint.

    When it comes to blackjack in today's world is it even feasible or would it even be worth the brain power to work at shuffle tracking considering that a lot of casinos use ASM's, that shuffling technique procedures may differ from casino to casino, or that shuffling techniques differ from dealer to dealer?

    I don't think casinos trust their own dealers and that's why they have those damn ASM's. They want to remove the human element from the game because they know that dealers will bite the hand that feeds, and they want to negate shuffle tracking altogether.

    I have an idea of how I could practice shuffle tracking on my own in that I start with an all red or blue deck for a SD or DD game, and then insert one card of the opposite color and then proceed to riffle shuffle the deck to see how it changes in positions throughout a shuffle. But as I mentioned, is it even going to be worth the effort in today's blackjack games where most casinos use ASM's?
    I am also quite interested in shuffle tracking. I only ever saw one short video of Semyon Dukach and it was immediately pulled. If you can't find a hand shuffle, it sounds to me like you still a got a great reason to work on it! I heard there was a program that will mimic different casino shuffles and quiz you but it's probably for windows, and i run a stupid mac.

    At my town we have hand shuffles at three different houses at least. I'm not sure why, as I think they could all have ASMs at every table, but they are expensive to buy and have to be maintained by two SGint guys every month. I think they are losing a ton of money but I'm not sad about it, as it adds another exploitable edge. Also, people at least railed against CSMs so bad here that they were exiled from town, at least in BJ games. Ploppy superstition can be a helpful thing in so many ways for us.

    CP, any advice on how to learn STing? Any ideas of where to learn about the most common shuffle procedures? Or how to tell a weak shuffle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Blitz calling a spade a spade. Granted it's a training video but this is a type of shuffle which gets no respect when Blitz is on the poker table. I'll pick them apart slowly & surely. Especially in private poker/home games. Nothing personal to the video creator.
    It's cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villiam View Post
    I am also quite interested in shuffle tracking. I only ever saw one short video of Semyon Dukach and it was immediately pulled. If you can't find a hand shuffle, it sounds to me like you still a got a great reason to work on it! I heard there was a program that will mimic different casino shuffles and quiz you but it's probably for windows, and i run a stupid mac.

    At my town we have hand shuffles at three different houses at least. I'm not sure why, as I think they could all have ASMs at every table, but they are expensive to buy and have to be maintained by two SGint guys every month. I think they are losing a ton of money but I'm not sad about it, as it adds another exploitable edge. Also, people at least railed against CSMs so bad here that they were exiled from town, at least in BJ games. Ploppy superstition can be a helpful thing in so many ways for us.

    CP, any advice on how to learn STing? Any ideas of where to learn about the most common shuffle procedures? Or how to tell a weak shuffle?
    In poker if you removed a professional assist/house dealer the player has to fend for themselves by their lonesome, there is NO common shuffle procedure. The player does not have the luxury of being protected by the house due to the players own ignorance and sloppiness. Now when you go into the casino they have to use house procedures, house rules. The player is being protected whether they realize it or not. If you don't know how to spot a weak shuffle just take a deck of cards and ask a random fellow off the street to shuffle the cards. But let me help you out, there is a video on here that shows a weak shuffle... enjoy.
    Last edited by Blitzkrieg; July 22nd, 2016 at 05:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    It's cool.
    I deleted the post as you were probably posting.

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