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    N0rm mook-the-kook does what he is best at: cooks the books. (Mook appears in a great Martini Scorsese film: “Mean Streets”, set close to Norman Wattaburger’s home.)N0rm M0rmon (as per Zildo, ZGeetser’s name as-if a Brazilian footballer; mine would be Parpaleiro; Kwitser’s would be Tio; N0rman WattenGerger’s would be Wattenbergincha (#9); create your own Brazilname automatically: http://www.minimalsworld.net/BrazilN...e=false&result)Norman did his obituary sims — and, of course, ALL of them validate N0rm’s point! ‘Cuz him N0rm lives in a hallucinatory paradise — there ain’t a single bad thing for Norm “up there”! (Location: His forum, a.k.a. The Mote In God’s Eye, title stolen for a book written by a different author; Norm Wattabug claims The Bible is not copyrighted, but there is NO The Mote In God’s Eye phrase in The Bible!)All Wattabug’s sims prove that the player ALWAYS loses his bet FAST! There ain’t the other way around! That’s how you know them s(k)im-mers (i.e. “simulators”) cook the books: They always win while the opposition always loses!There is only one rule that creates the house advantage (HA) at blackjack: the simultaneous bust for the Dealer and the Payer. The rule forces the Player to pay immediately if busting. You already read what John Scarne said about the simultaneous bust being treated equally: IF the Player busts and the Dealer busts in the same round, it is a push:http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/...371#post213371 (post #165).The latest precise BJ bust odds calculations can be studied here:Blackjack Dealer Bust: Software Calculates Precisely Mathematically Odds, House Edge.Thorough testing of blackjack HA with the binomial standard deviation can be studied here: http://www.facebook.com/LotteryPower...70655603005233The Morman Wattengerbers of the world have no clue what arrangements and combinations are and what they can lead to!“Norm, Servant of Combination,Where is your location?”“It’s right in the Big Mote, In the Book that my God wrote.”Ion Saliu Parpaleiro,Founder of True Mathematics of Blackjack,Cult-Buster At-Large“Grind old norms for better new rules!”“A good man is an axiomatic man; an axiomatic man is a happy man. Be axiomatic!”.
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    Good point about the faux Bible quote reference - he is probably thinking of the "Remove the plank from your eye" quote ...

    But regarding Norm's QFIT/CV sim results, there was no "cooking books" IMO, they are spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    But regarding Norm's QFIT/CV sim results, there was no "cooking books" IMO, they are spot on.
    Just to append, Norm's sim results are based on correct basic strategy, and it's not a static .5%
    OTOH I have not seen where Dokotor Parpus has made his calculation based on correct BS* ... did I miss that?

    *correct BS is a dynamic assessment, using the optimal BS for a given rule-set and #decks
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Good point about the faux Bible quote reference - he is probably thinking of the "Remove the plank from your eye" quote ...

    But regarding Norm's QFIT/CV sim results, there was no "cooking books" IMO, they are spot on.
    N0rmally, your suck there might have earned you some Brownie Points. But don't hold your breath this time. Too much water passed under the bridge... I think.

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    Hey Pluck! Does one or some of your formulae predict the likely outcome of World Cup Soccer games? I see your Brazillian (sic) reference there and note we are now into the Final 16. Here's our chance to win on Soccer. LOL. My boxed trifecta is France Brazil Holland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    N0rm mook-the-kook does what he is best at: cooks the books.
    (Mook appears in a great Martini Scorsese film: “Mean Streets”, set close to Norman Wattaburger’s home.)

    N0rm M0rmon
    (as per Zildo, ZGeetser’s name as-if a Brazilian footballer; mine would be Parpaleiro; Kwitser’s would be Tio;
    Norman Wattenberger’s would be Wattenbergincha (#9); create your own Brazilname automatically: http://www.minimalsworld.net/BrazilN...e=false&result)

    Norman did his obituary sims — and, of course, ALL of them validate N0rm’s point! ‘Cuz him N0rm lives in a hallucinatory paradise — there ain’t a single bad thing for Norm “up there”! (Location: His forum, a.k.a. The Mote In God’s Eye, title stolen for a book written by a different author;

    Norm Wattabug claims The Bible is not copyrighted, but there is NO The Mote In God’s Eye phrase in The Bible!)All Wattabug’s sims prove that the player ALWAYS loses his bet FAST! There ain’t the other way around! That’s how you know them s(k)im-mers (i.e. “simulators”) cook the books: They always win while the opposition always loses!

    There is only one rule that creates the house advantage (HA) at blackjack: the simultaneous bust for the Dealer and the Payer. The rule forces the Player to pay immediately if busting. You already read what John Scarne said about the simultaneous bust being treated equally: IF the Player busts and the Dealer busts in the same round, it is a push:http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/...371#post213371 (post #165).

    The latest precise BJ bust odds calculations can be studied here:Blackjack Dealer Bust: Software Calculates Precisely Mathematically Odds, House Edge.

    Thorough testing of blackjack HA with the binomial standard deviation can be studied here: http://www.facebook.com/LotteryPower...70655603005233

    The Morman Wattengerbers of the world have no clue what arrangements and combinations are and what they can lead to!
    “Norm, Servant of Combination,Where is your location?”“It’s right in the Big Mote, In the Book that my God wrote.”

    Ion Saliu Parpaleiro,
    Founder of True Mathematics of Blackjack,Cult-Buster At-Large“Grind old norms for better new rules!”
    “A good man is an axiomatic man; an axiomatic man is a happy man. Be axiomatic!”.
    Just in from another galaxy, far far away...

    All these guys there trying to make logic out of Ion’s blather. I can’t believe no one has pointed out that according to Ion’s formula for house edge, the BJ payoff is completely irrelevant. BJ payoff cannot affect bust rate. That is, 6:5 BJ has EXACTLY the same edge as 3:1 blackjack, according to this idiot. Because the blackjack payoff has absolutely no relation to either dealer or player bust rate. Now, convince the casinos to give us 40:1 blackjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Just in from another galaxy, far far away...

    All these guys there trying to make logic out of Ion’s blather. I can’t believe no one has pointed out that according to Ion’s formula for house edge, the BJ payoff is completely irrelevant. BJ payoff cannot affect bust rate. That is, 6:5 BJ has EXACTLY the same edge as 3:1 blackjack, according to this idiot. Because the blackjack payoff has absolutely no relation to either dealer or player bust rate. Now, convince the casinos to give us 40:1 blackjack.
    And don't forget, we have it on high authority that the higher the dealer bust rate the lower the house edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    And don't forget, we have it on high authority that the higher the dealer bust rate the lower the house edge.
    Last edited by Katz; June 24th, 2014 at 03:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Hey Pluck! Does one or some of your formulae predict the likely outcome of World Cup Soccer games? I see your Brazillian (sic) reference there and note we are now into the Final 16. Here's our chance to win on Soccer. LOL. My boxed trifecta is France Brazil Holland.
    Tio:

    What a great Brazilname you got, axio mate! It originates in your true name as in my Friend on Facebook. Tio means Uncle in Spanish. All them mooks in this hou’ don’t pay you the respect you deserve!

    I agree with your trifecta now. In boxed order: Brazil, France, Netherlands. Before the World Cup 2014 started, I had this superfecta: Netherlands, Brazil, Germany… and Team USA as the Dark Horse. You gotta play dark horses if you wanna win BIG!

    I was adversarial about soccer (see my Facebook post http://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck/po...52506526849049). But I watched USA – Ghana and I saw that they can make soccer an exciting game, if them pro players avoid walking the dog.

    I then saw other good fútbol games: Uruguay – England, Ghana – Germany, USA – Portugal. And, yes, Australia – Holland. I was thrilled for a few minutes that the Down-Under-Thunder team would stun The Netherlands.

    My prediction is that the Kil*ing Dutch are going to cause a social calamity in the Amazon (not that amazon.com where the N0rms sell their deceptions)…

    Parpaleiro,
    Striker At-Large

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    I am yet to post in the N0rm HA thread… That dreadful Forbidden error…
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    1) More samples from the starter of this thread –

    “I ran a sim with about 10,000,000 sessions.” = * ly*ing… N0rm can’t even count to 100 (as in 100 blackjack hands to determine how fast 99.9% of all BJ players lose their bankroll)!

    “There are some claims on another site that I believe are highly misleading and could lead players astray.”
    “A site we don't talk about here.”
    “I don't know any words that start with Z.”

    (Deleted text because of 403 error!)

    2) As of BJ natural payoff, I did deduct the percentage from Player’s bust odds. John Scarne was correct to add 2 extra winning hands for the Player in 100 hands (bets). Once again:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    1) More samples from the starter of this thread –

    “I ran a sim with about 10,000,000 sessions.” = * ly*ing… N0rm can’t even count to 100 (as in 100 blackjack hands to determine how fast 99.9% of all BJ players lose their bankroll)!

    “There are some claims on another site that I believe are highly misleading and could lead players astray.”
    “A site we don't talk about here.”
    “I don't know any words that start with Z.”

    (Deleted text because of 403 error!)

    2) As of BJ natural payoff, I did deduct the percentage from Player’s bust odds. John Scarne was correct to add 2 extra winning hands for the Player in 100 hands (bets). Once again:
    The house edge at blackjack is the result of simultaneous busts for the Dealer AND the Player. The Player loses his bet immediately.

    Just follow Scarnitser’s example when asking your Dealer:

    “Want to prove it? That’s easy. Just ask your dealer to play his hand out after you have busted and if he also busts and goes over your count to pay you off. You’ll get a fast answer telling you exactly where to go and when.”

    Without the rule of immediate bet-loss by the Player in simultaneous busts situations, the game of blackjack would be favorable to the Player by those 2 extra winning hands due to the BJ natural payout. You gotta play a one-deck game with no penetration and wait for the second half of the deck. A good card-counter (much like the truthful Tio, Brazilname for Kwitser), would bet big when there are extra Tens and Aces left. Apply quickly the arrangements formula:


    Probability of a natural blackjack = (A * T) / [R * (R–1)] * 100
    A = number of Aces remaining in the deck;
    T = number of 10-valued cards remaining in the deck;
    R = total cards Remaining in the deck.


    If the result is significantly higher than the 5% norm (yes, you can round up!) the card counter should raise his bet. Indeed, the BJ natural can go to the Dealer instead of the Player. But, in the long run (around one half of a human lifetime), the Player comes ahead because of the 1.5 factor of the BJ natural payout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    The house edge at blackjack is the result of simultaneous busts for the Dealer AND the Player. The Player loses his bet immediately.

    Just follow Scarnitser’s example when asking your Dealer:

    “Want to prove it? That’s easy. Just ask your dealer to play his hand out after you have busted and if he also busts and goes over your count to pay you off. You’ll get a fast answer telling you exactly where to go and when.”

    Without the rule of immediate bet-loss by the Player in simultaneous busts situations, the game of blackjack would be favorable to the Player by those 2 extra winning hands due to the BJ natural payout. You gotta play a one-deck game with no penetration and wait for the second half of the deck. A good card-counter (much like the truthful Tio, Brazilname for Kwitser), would bet big when there are extra Tens and Aces left. Apply quickly the arrangements formula:


    Probability of a natural blackjack = (A * T) / [R * (R–1)] * 100
    A = number of Aces remaining in the deck;
    T = number of 10-valued cards remaining in the deck;
    R = total cards Remaining in the deck.


    If the result is significantly higher than the 5% norm (yes, you can round up!) the card counter should raise his bet. Indeed, the BJ natural can go to the Dealer instead of the Player. But, in the long run (around one half of a human lifetime), the Player comes ahead because of the 1.5 factor of the BJ natural payout.
    3)
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    “A good man is an axiomatic man; an axiomatic man is a happy man. Be axiomatic!”

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    In some of your older posts I believe you mentioned that card counting is a waste of time Parpaluck, if that is so then what would you deem as the optimal way to play the game of Blackjack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    Tio:

    What a great Brazilname you got, axio mate! It originates in your true name as in my Friend on Facebook. Tio means Uncle in Spanish. All them mooks in this hou’ don’t pay you the respect you deserve!

    I agree with your trifecta now. In boxed order: Brazil, France, Netherlands. Before the World Cup 2014 started, I had this superfecta: Netherlands, Brazil, Germany… and Team USA as the Dark Horse. You gotta play dark horses if you wanna win BIG!

    I was adversarial about soccer (see my Facebook post http://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck/po...52506526849049). But I watched USA – Ghana and I saw that they can make soccer an exciting game, if them pro players avoid walking the dog.

    I then saw other good fútbol games: Uruguay – England, Ghana – Germany, USA – Portugal. And, yes, Australia – Holland. I was thrilled for a few minutes that the Down-Under-Thunder team would stun The Netherlands.

    My prediction is that the Kil*ing Dutch are going to cause a social calamity in the Amazon (not that amazon.com where the N0rms sell their deceptions)…

    Parpaleiro,
    Striker At-Large

    PS
    I am yet to post in the N0rm HA thread… That dreadful Forbidden error…
    IS
    Kwitser:

    I just watched Uruguay - Italy. Ugly, ugly... again! I didn't know you was a soccer fan, axiomate. I sez Australia, I sez RUGBY as main interest on the world scene!

    I blame my Italian cousins as the main culprit of making the professional sport of football soccer the ugliest of them all major sports. It started with Inter Milano in the 1960s. Nobody could beat that team. They played extremely ugly and annoying for the opponents. Granted, they perfected the art of defense - but at the cost of quality of the soccer game. Every soccer game Italian teams are involved in are butt-ugly!

    On the other side of this particular game, we had another case of cannibalism - a repeat offense by the same Uruguayan player (#9, they called him Cannibal when he was playing in the English Premier league).

    In gambling (in real casinos), always go with the streaks, axio mate! There ain't way around it - it's the only path illuminated by mathematics.

    Parpaleiro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    “Want to prove it? That’s easy. Just ask your dealer to play his hand out after you have busted and if he also busts and goes over your count to pay you off. You’ll get a fast answer telling you exactly where to go and when.”
    Ahh, so Dr. Duttonster was correct, the 42% figure was artificially inflated by not deducting the preemptive player busts.
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