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    The Saliu Free Winning Roulette System #1

    A diligent, disciplined player can make a weekly profit by covering all the numbers but four playing no more than 10 spins a day. The four numbers discarded of are the last four spins. You wait patiently, not playing, until the following event occurs. When one of the last four numbers hits again, you get ready to play. You cover all the numbers (0 and 00 including) but the numbers in the last FIVE spins (four numbers to play, because one is a repeat). You place 34 2-unit straight-up bets.

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    genuinewinner does it again! It is Steven Hourmouzis. He committed first some stock fraud Down Under, then he took one of my roulette systems and tried to sell it for $2,500. His video was removed by YouTube (is it…N0rmal?! BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!)

    There was a lengthy article in my previous forum (closed for good now). It had a lot of stuff about Stefano Hourmouzis. It read like a detective story. The roulette system he copied originated here — but he wasn’t able to duplicate my software:

    http://saliu.com/roulette-millions.html

    I did notice severe bias at a roulette table in Atlantic City and one at Hamburg Spielbank (ca$ino). Hamburg closed that table for days after I published an article on roulette system based on the halves (hemispheres):

    http://saliu.com/RouletteWheel.html
    http://saliu.com/RouletteHalves.html


    “In that case, the roulette wheel at table #1 was biased in favor of the INner half. Here is the mathematics. The Hamburg Spielbank roulette is single-zero: A total of 37 numbers, from 0 to 36. The inner half consists of 9+9+1 = 19 numbers. The outer hemisphere (semicircle) consists of the rest of the roulette numbers: 18. Thus, the ratio between the outer half and the inner half is 18/19 = 94.7%. The statistical results should show a comparable ratio.

    The analysis of the last 1000 spins (most recent) of the Hamburg Spielbank database shows an outside/inside ratio of 93.5%. The bias is 94.7 – 93.5 = 1.2% in favor of the inside half. The analysis of all 7990 spins of the Hamburg Spielbank database shows an outside/inside ratio of 90.6%. The bias is 4.87% in favor of the inside half.”

    Stay away from my gambling systems IF you are a Voodoo cult follower… you’d better stick with card counting and holecarding! But if you want to make a quick buck with piracy, my lottery/gambling systems and theories are the best candidates. I am pirated around the clock — from eBay to YouTube, to China, to India, to Australia… Especially card-counters might be able to recoup some of that big-money spent on card-counting training and lost at the BJ table.

    Randominus vobiscum!

    Ion Saliu
    Cult Detector At-Large

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    genuinewinner does it again! It is Steven Hourmouzis. He committed first some stock fraud Down Under, then he took one of my roulette systems and tried to sell it for $2,500. His video was removed by YouTube (is it…N0rmal?! BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!)
    Is his computer-aided tech good, in your opinion?
    If not, why not?
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    The Saliu Free Winning Roulette System #1

    A diligent, disciplined player can make a weekly profit by covering all the numbers but four playing no more than 10 spins a day. The four numbers discarded of are the last four spins. You wait patiently, not playing, until the following event occurs. When one of the last four numbers hits again, you get ready to play. You cover all the numbers (0 and 00 including) but the numbers in the last FIVE spins (four numbers to play, because one is a repeat). You place 34 2-unit straight-up bets.
    I am sure that Doktor Parpaswami will concede that his free winning system does not have a statistical math advantage over the casin0?
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Is his computer-aided tech good, in your opinion?
    If not, why not?
    What???
    Pull your head out of that barrel of whiskey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    I am sure that Doktor Parpaswami will concede that his free winning system does not have a statistical math advantage over the casin0?
    You are STATIC in your approach. Flat-betting and playing every roulette spin leads to loss according to the house edge.

    Be DYNAMIC in your thinking: Bet higher when the degree of certainty is higher. In lottery, you can skip drawings — also a dynamic approach.

    Time is never equal to itself. Thusly, not all things are created equal because they are created at different times.

    "For only Almighty Number is exactly the same, and at least the same, and at most the same. May Its Almighty grant us in our testy day the righteous proportion of being at most unlikely the same and at least likely different. For our strength is in our inequities."

    http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/328.html

    Ion Saliu,
    Mightily At-Large

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    Be DYNAMIC in your thinking: Bet higher when the degree of certainty is higher.
    And that is determined by the past results?
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    What???
    Pull your head out of that barrel of whiskey!
    It's an LSD lab beaker, actually.
    I have some experience with computer-aided roulette prediction, it can work if the tech and application are good.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
    .....................The Zengrifter Interview (PDF) |
    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    And that is determined by the past results?
    ZGeetser:

    Don’t I “foresee” the future based on the past, axiomatic one? Your next reply will read — paraphrasing not quoting to avoid a n0rm –

    “A-ha! The roulette wheel, the lottery balls, the blackjack hands, etc. — all have MEMORY!”

    According to the quote, looks like them balls have better “minds” than most humans! Them balls know how to calculate standard deviation! How many humans can do that? For them balls, more often than not, appear within one standard deviation from the norm (not that n0rm!) Them balls must count how many times appeared in order to respect the norm! How would they know where the FFG median is without “looking” at the past results?!

    http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/575.html

    Ion Saliu,
    Memory Enhancer At-Large
    Knowledge is like crystal-clear water that keeps you cool in summer, and red wine to keep you warm in winter.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    It's an LSD lab beaker, actually.
    I have some experience with computer-aided roulette prediction, it can work if the tech and application are good.
    Axiomaticule,

    It must be LSD that makes that statement I emphasized in your quotation. I know, we are kidding… you don’t want to hear another “complaint” that you run a forum for drug-addicts! Let’s then say this might be a case of your worshipping Edward O. Thorp!

    “…if the tech and application are good.”
    What “tech” and what “application”? Is that Edward O. Thorp’s Big Toe “machine” to clock the speed of the roulette wheel or Big Six (Wheel of Fortune)?

    http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/274.html

    Clocking the speed of the roulette wheel is an illusion the myths are made of and cults are founded on. NASA sophisticated instruments may be able to measure precisely the speed of the roulette wheel. But NO instrument can predict the landing position of the spinning ball on the roulette wheel. The wheel deflectors randomize the movement regardless of the speed. Of course, it is absolutely impossible for any roulette player to clock the roulette wheel speed precisely, even if the casinos allowed the use of any instruments or computers on the premises.

    Not to mention the thorough tests conducted by the manufacturers of roulette wheels. They certainly perform tests regarding the wheel speed and the landing of the spinning roulette ball. They probably run the roulette wheel at exactly the speed v (rotations per minute) for a number of runs R. They note that the roulette ball is landing randomly; i.e. in various positions on the wheel. They change the wheel speed and run another batch of tests. They notice the randomness of the ball landing. It is a strong fact regarding the roulette wheel. The same speed of the roulette wheel leads to highly random landing positions (roulette numbers).

    I did notice bias, however (Taj Mahal, Atlantic City, and Hamburg Spielbank). It was due to the wear of the roulette wheel. Probably the deflectors of the roulette wheel were worn out. The wheel was malfunctioning, anyhow, I think. We can divide the roulette wheel in two sections based on the last number drawn. There are 38 numbers in double-zero roulette. The last number drawn, plus 9 numbers to its left on the roulette wheel layout, plus 9 numbers to the right on the layout = make up the inside hemisphere of the roulette wheel. The other 19 numbers make-up the outer hemisphere. One of the halves was badly biased against.

    http://saliu.com/Roulette.htm

    Mathematics must always come first, cult(ivatedly) axiomatic colleagues of mine!

    Ion Saliu,
    Spin Doctor At-Large
    “A good man is an axiomatic man; an axiomatic man is a happy man. Be axiomatic!”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    “A-ha! The roulette wheel, the lottery balls, the blackjack hands, etc. — all have MEMORY!”

    According to the quote, looks like them balls have better “minds” than most humans! Them balls know how to calculate standard deviation! How many humans can do that? For them balls, more often than not, appear within one standard deviation from the norm (not that n0rm!) Them balls must count how many times appeared in order to respect the norm! How would they know where the FFG median is without “looking” at the past results?!
    Big Parpa -

    You appear to be saying that the balls DO have memory and that the past results are reflected in the future, Bayes Theorem be damned?

    BTW, the original Thorp roulette computer, devised by him and the late Claude Shannon ('father of info-theory'), did not use toe-switches -
    - that came later from Doyne Farmer at Stanford. Of course, as you know, the newest models use a pen and cell-smartphone combo.
    - the Thorp model did make history as the first-ever "wearable computer"

    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Big Parpa -

    You appear to be saying that the balls DO have memory and that the past results are reflected in the future, Bayes Theorem be damned?

    BTW, the original Thorp roulette computer, devised by him and the late Claude Shannon ('father of info-theory'), did not use toe-switches -
    - that came later from Doyne Farmer at Stanford. Of course, as you know, the newest models use a pen and cell-smartphone combo.
    - the Thorp model did make history as the first-ever "wearable computer"

    ZGeetser:

    1) “You appear to be saying that the balls DO have memory…”

    Actually, you and your clan say that “the balls DO have memory”! What I do: I apply a logical principle named reductio ad absurdum. I use satirical metaphors to stress the absurdity of the opposing viewpoint. I apply, for example, satirical metaphors that might appear intent to ridicule an opposing viewpoint.

    Not only do I say “balls have memory” — I go the next step and say “balls have better minds than most humans as them balls can calculate standard deviation”! I didn’t think I had to add that famous BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! to indicate satire or reductio ad absurdum! BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    2) Trying and experimenting are true human qualities. Those attempts to create portable computers to clock the roulette wheel are to be commended. And so was card counting (although founder Edward Thorp never applied it himself — he admitted he was a lousy blackjack player).

    The problem I have, however, is knowingly ignoring facts that derail your project. In this case, the parameters (reality) of the roulette wheel: It randomly tilts and it has frets. If a roulette wheel would spin perfectly horizontally, without frets and tilting: The exact same speed would land the ball in the exact same slot. It is called physics (in case you never heard of it… BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!)

    Small variations in the speed — in the hypothetical but imaginary case above — would land the roulette ball a couple of slots to the left or to the right of the theoretical spot. Of course, that would create an immense advantage for the player. Just play 5-6 roulette numbers AND WIN EVERY TIME!

    But reality sets in as in the card-counting case. Card-counting is hit in a devastating manner by reality: Multiple decks, penetration, several players at the blackjack table — a gigantic amount of card sequences. Roulette wheel clocking is totally futile because the wheel is tilting randomly and there are frets.

    Forget about that NOW-HILARIOUS toy intended to clock the roulette wheel! You can employ the most sophisticated instruments to measure speed — You’ll never have a grasp of where the roulette ball will land next. The variations in landing will be impractical for betting purposes.

    There are a few lamentably hilarious cases of roulette computers. The most notorious acts are Mark Anthony Howe and, yes, Stefano Hourmouzis (of genuinewinner infamy).

    But there is one fact with real foundation: Wheel bias due to wear and tear. I did notice bias regarding the wheel halves — I already talked about such bias enough in them Zen forums. There are more details cold-headedly presented and analyzed:
    http://saliu.com/Roulette.htm

    “Preliminary down, hypothetical up,
    I splurge my LSD and shout ‘Whazzup?’
    I program my moves like a Python in the pub
    I do never bet but I can surely snub.”
    (ZGeetser’s hymn 4.1.8)

    BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    Ion Saliu,
    Roulette Programmer At-Large
    (BrightRoulette.exe)
    Last edited by Parpaluck; May 9th, 2014 at 12:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    The problem I have, however, is knowingly ignoring facts that derail your project. In this case, the parameters (reality) of the roulette wheel: It randomly tilts and it has frets. If a roulette wheel would spin perfectly horizontally, without frets and tilting: The exact same speed would land the ball in the exact same slot. It is called physics (in case you never heard of it… )
    The slight tilt of many/most wheels enhance the predictability.
    For computer-aided roulette it matters NOT the speed of the ball - the ball's deceleration is entirely predictable - it's called physics.
    The frets, as currently manufactured do not add total randomity to the events - often the ball slips right thrrough with minimal upset.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    Small variations in the speed — in the hypothetical but imaginary case above — would land the roulette ball a couple of slots to the left or to the right of the theoretical spot. Of course, that would create an immense advantage for the player. Just play 5-6 roulette numbers AND WIN
    There is NO variation of speed -
    -- regardless of the initial speed, the ball decelerates predictably and ALWAYS drops from the track at the SAME PRECISE SPEED.
    -- It's called physics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parpaluck View Post
    There are a few lamentably hilarious cases of roulette computers. The most notorious acts are Mark Anthony Howe and, yes, Stefano Hourmouzis (of genuinewinner infamy).
    I do not know of the efficacy of the Howe and Hourmouzis technologies, but independently both Thorp/Shannon and Doyne Farmer proved the concept.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    The slight tilt of many/most wheels enhance the predictability.
    For computer-aided roulette it matters NOT the speed of the ball - the ball's deceleration is entirely predictable - it's called physics.
    The frets, as currently manufactured do not add total randomity to the events - often the ball slips right thrrough with minimal upset.


    There is NO variation of speed -
    -- regardless of the initial speed, the ball decelerates predictably and ALWAYS drops from the track at the SAME PRECISE SPEED.
    -- It's called physics.


    I do not know of the efficacy of the Howe and Hourmouzis technologies, but independently both Thorp/Shannon and Doyne Farmer proved the concept.
    Assiduously Axiomatic Colleague of Mine:

    “The slight tilt of many/most wheels enhance the predictability.”
    I’m glad you like Pink Floyd! They say: “With random precision rode on the steel breeze!”
    So, you think that random tilting can assure higher precision in predicting the landing slot of the roulette ball! Well, then, casinos, why don’t you remove tilting completely?

    “For computer-aided roulette it matters NOT the speed of the ball - the ball's deceleration is entirely predictable - it's called physics.”
    There is NO deceleration without acceleration (acceleration comes first). And thusly what we call speed is actually average speed. That’s real physics.

    You might want to try a real roulette wheel first. When “deceleration” takes place, they had already announced “All bets off!”

    “entirely predictable”! Isn’t it something like the holy grail? ‘Cuz “entirely predictable” means absolute certainty (or degree of certainty equal to 100%). That implies a god or something… was that excerpt written by Askobolan?!

    There is NO variation of speed
    That’s another case of absolute certainty. Like the speed of light being a constant (in a dynamic Universe). In his late years, Einstein regretted his concept cosmological constant. As he regretted his “God does this and God doesn’t do that” statements. Poor Stephen Hawking also regretted his attempt to be cute by saying that “God hid Einstein's dice”

    “independently both Thorp/Shannon and Doyne Farmer proved the concept”
    Where and when — other than in some mythology or cult believing? Like the UFO thingy. The degree of certainty is very high that the Thorps of the world never played roulette for real!

    Ion Saliu,
    Physically At-Large
    “A good man is an axiomatic man; an axiomatic man is a happy man. Be axiomatic!”

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