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    Washington is licking its chops, seeing an opportunity to gain Russia as a puppet state.
    Will Putin sit there with his hopes awaiting the West’s good will to work out a solution while Washington attempts to engineer his fall?

    "Here we have again the lie that the Russian government is going to forget all about its difficulties in Ukraine and launch
    attacks on Poland, the Baltic States, Romania., Moldova, and on the central Asian states of Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan."

    Washington Intends Russia’s Demise


    by Paul Craig Roberts

    Washington has no intention of allowing the crisis in Ukraine to be resolved. Having failed to seize the country and evict Russia from its Black Sea naval base, Washington sees new opportunities in the crisis.

    One is to restart the Cold War by forcing the Russian government to occupy the Russian-speaking areas of present day Ukraine where protesters are objecting to the stooge anti-Russian government installed in Kiev by the American coup. These areas of Ukraine are former constituent parts of Russia herself. They were attached to Ukraine by Soviet leaders in the 20th century when both Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country, the USSR.

    Essentially, the protesters have established independent governments in the cities. The
    police and military units sent to suppress the protesters, called “terrorists” in the American fashion, for the most part have until now defected to the protesters.

    With Obama’s incompetent White House and State Department having botched Washington’s takeover of Ukraine, Washington has been at work shifting the blame to Russia. According to Washington and its presstitute media, the protests are orchestrated by the Russian government and have no sincere basis. If Russia sends in military units to protect the Russian citizens in the former Russian territories, the act will be used by Washington to confirm Washington’s propaganda of a Russian invasion (as in the case of Georgia), and Russia will be further demonized.

    The Russian government is in a predicament. Moscow does not want financial responsibility for these territories but cannot stand aside and permit Russians to be put down by force. The Russian government has attempted to keep Ukraine intact, relying on the forthcoming elections in Ukraine to bring to office more realistic leaders than the stooges installed by Washington.

    However, Washington does not want an election that might replace its stooges and return to cooperating with Russia to resolve the situation. There is a good chance that Washington will tell its stooges in Kiev to declare that the crisis brought to Ukraine by Russia prevents an election. Washington’s NATO puppet states would back up this claim.


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    Ron Paul, May 3, 2014:

    It looks like the civil war in Ukraine is getting much worse. Western
    Ukraine right now is being urged on by its Western supporters, meaning
    its NATO supporters, the European Union, the United States, and the
    International Monetary Fund (IMF). Western Ukraine has moved to take
    back control of the cities in Eastern Ukraine that have been taken over
    by supporters of Russia.

    Of course, it’s said in the major media that Russia has started all
    of this trouble, and so all this has to be done. The truth is, the coup
    of several weeks ago to overthrow the elected leader Viktor Yanokovych
    was stirred up by the same group: NATO, the European Union, the US, and
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Ron Paul, May 3, 2014:

    It looks like the civil war in Ukraine is getting much worse. Western
    Ukraine right now is being urged on by its Western supporters, meaning
    its NATO supporters, the European Union, the United States, and the
    International Monetary Fund (IMF). Western Ukraine has moved to take
    back control of the cities in Eastern Ukraine that have been taken over
    by supporters of Russia.

    Of course, it’s said in the major media that Russia has started all
    of this trouble, and so all this has to be done. The truth is, the coup
    of several weeks ago to overthrow the elected leader Viktor Yanokovych
    was stirred up by the same group: NATO, the European Union, the US, and
    What's that got to do with Russia? Wasn't that internal to the Ukraine?
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    An Excerpt from: THE TALENTED MR. PUTIN

    CHAPTER 8

    THE RAPE OF RUSSIA

    Bush 41 and Gorbachev exited the world stage during the early 1990’s; Bush losing his 1992 reelection bid to fellow Yale alumnus and CFR member Bill Clinton, and Gorby yielding the reins of the new democratic Russia over to the inept drunkard, Boris Yeltsin.

    Bill and Hillary Clinton rode into office on the back of a massive media propaganda push. The themes were “Hope” and “Change”; mantras repeated over and over again. Behind the empty platitudes, at least in the realm of foreign affairs, was the same old Globalist effort to destroy Russia. During his nomination speech at the 1992 Democrat Convention, Clinton paid homage to his Georgetown University mentor, Professor Carroll Quigley:

    “As a teenager I heard John Kennedy’s summons to citizenship. And then, as a student at Georgetown, I heard that call clarified by a professor named Carroll Quigley..” (1)

    Days earlier, the Globalist Washington Post had also linked Clinton to Quigley:

    “Throughout his (Clinton’s) career he has evoked [Quigley’s lectures] in speeches as the rhetorical foundation for his political philosophy,” (2)

    The significance of “Slick Willie’s” prime time shout out to one of his late idols was not lost on students of the Globalist movement. Back in 1966, Carroll Quigley, who had also taught at Princeton and Harvard, caused quite a stir in the “conspiracy theory” community when he published Tragedy and Hope, a heavy tome in which Quigley boasted of his connections to the ruling class while describing what their hidden plans for the world were.

    Tragedy and Hope was written for the academic crowd, and was never intended to be the “whistle-blowing” expose which it soon became. You see, the idealistic Quigley openly supported the utopian concept of a New World Order (the “Hope” in Tragedy and Hope). Here are key excerpts from the work of Clinton’s academic guru:

    " There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act.... . I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected ... to a few of its policies ... but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known." (Chapter 65)

    "The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences." (Chapter 20) (emphasis added)

    The loose-lipped Professor also revealed the fraud behind America’s “two Party system”. This is a good one! :

    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.” (3)

    Clinton’s inner circle was filled with Globalist minded Rhodes Scholars and CFR members. Strobe Talbott, Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, was even more outspoken in his commitment to Globalism that Professor Quigley was. In a 1992 Op-Ed piece penned for Time Magazine, Talbott wrote:

    “In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all.” (4)

    >>read more: http://www.tomatobubble.com/id563.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    What's that got to do with Russia? Wasn't that internal to the Ukraine?
    No. It was the US behind the scenes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post

    Clinton’s inner circle was filled with Globalist minded Rhodes Scholars and CFR members. Strobe Talbott, Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, was even more outspoken in his commitment to Globalism that Professor Quigley was. In a 1992 Op-Ed piece penned for Time Magazine, Talbott wrote:

    In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all.” (4)

    >>read more: http://www.tomatobubble.com/id563.html
    Bill liked cocaine and doing cigar stuff to interns but not with Hillary... But the bold-type Talbott sentence above was straight out of the New World Order Bible. It was cut short, missing the bits about culling the world population down to 500M slaves, whose jobs will be serving their elite masters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    No. It was the US behind the scenes.
    The US is behind the scenes because the governments of other concerned nations, most notably, Russia, are also behind the scenes. Behind the scenes does not justify raising it to a fornt and center action. That constitutes an escalation.
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    On Treating Putin as Pariah

    Friday - April 25, 2014 at 12:05 am


    By Patrick J. Buchanan


    “Mr. Obama is focused on isolating President Vladimir V. Putin’s Russia by cutting off its economic and political ties to the outside world … and effectively making it a pariah state.”

    So wrote Peter Baker in Sunday’s New York Times. Yet if history is any guide, this “pariah policy,” even if adopted, will not long endure.

    Three years after Khrushchev sent tanks into Hungary, he was touring the USA and celebrating with Ike the new “Spirit of Camp David.”

    Half a year after Khrushchev moved missiles into Cuba, JFK was talking detente is his famous speech at American University.

    Three weeks after Moscow incited the Arabs in the Six-Day War, Lyndon Johnson was meeting with Premier Alexei Kosygin in New Jersey, where the “Spirit of Glassboro,” was born.

    So it went through the Cold War. Post-crises, U.S. presidents reached out to Soviet leaders. For they saw Russia as too large and too powerful to be isolated and ostracized like North Korea.

    These presidents also understood that the American people wanted constant efforts made to reduce tensions and avoid war with a vast country with thousands of nuclear weapons. And presidents being politicians, be they Democrats JFK or LBJ, or Republicans Eisenhower, Nixon or Reagan, responded to this political reality.

    We may not have liked the Soviets. We could not ignore them.

    But if throwing Putin out of the frat house and off campus is an unsustainable policy, what of the hawkish calls for a return to Cold War containment and military countermeasures against Russia?

    Well, let us inspect them one by one.

    We are urged to go back to building a missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic. But this is a project of years. And before this shield was ever up and operational, Moscow could deploy hundreds of new offensive missiles targeted on Central and Western Europe.

    How would that make our allies more secure? How would Angela Merkel respond to that?

    Among Reagan’s achievements was persuading Russia to pull its triple-warhead SS-20s out of Eastern Europe, in return for our taking our Pershing and cruise missiles out of Western Europe.

    Do we really want to reverse the Reagan triumph of 1987?

    Some conservatives want to send arms to Ukraine. But given the performance of Ukraine’s army in the Crimean crisis, we would be provoking a war Ukraine could not win, while ensuring the casualty count would be higher.

    And as almost no Americans favor U.S. “boots on the ground,” the result of a Russia-Ukraine war our arms provoked would be a beaten Ukrainian army and an occupied country.

    Others urge Obama to move U.S. troops permanently into Poland, the Baltic states and Romania. Will Germany, Spain, Italy, France and Britain be sending troops as well?

    Is there any time between now and eternity when the world’s richest continent will provide the soldiers for its own defense?

    Another idea gaining currency is that we should start shipping oil and gas to Europe to reduce its dependency on Russia.

    Certainly, U.S. energy independence, and the restoration of our lately lost industrial independence, is a good idea. But weaning Europe off the Russian gas on which it so heavily depends is another project of years, if not a decade.

    Meanwhile, Russia could build pipelines to a fuel-hungry China and cement a Moscow-Beijing alliance, the rupture of which was Richard Nixon’s great achievement.

    Are we thus left with no options, in Nixon’s phrase, a “pitiful helpless giant” in preventing Ukraine’s absorption by Russia?

    By no means. But as Henry Kissinger argues, “the demonization of Putin is not a policy. It is an alibi for the absence of one."

    What we must recognize is that, Beltway bluster about U.S. troops in the Baltic and warships in the Black Sea aside, the United States is not going to war with Russia over Ukraine, or Estonia.

    For we cannot defend Estonia either. By bringing the Baltic nations into NATO, as some of us loudly warned at that time, we were handing out war guarantees no sane president was going to honor.

    As we hold a weak hand in Ukraine, we should let Putin take the lead.

    If what he wants is a Ukraine that is not in NATO, a Ukraine that is decentralized, where the East retains cultural and economic ties to Russia while the West has ties to Europe, that is no threat to us.

    What should we do if Putin seizes Southern Ukraine to Odessa?

    What did Ike do about Hungary in 1956, or JFK do when the Wall went up? What did LBJ do about Czechoslovakia in 1968, or Reagan do when Solidarity was crushed?

    Mature leaders, they accepted militarily what they could not prevent.

    Like those presidents, Obama should take the military option off the table and use his diplomatic, political and economic weapons, and keep communications open. There are big issues, like terrorism, where we still agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    The US is behind the scenes because the governments of other concerned nations, most notably, Russia, are also behind the scenes. Behind the scenes does not justify raising it to a fornt and center action. That constitutes an escalation.
    It's an escalation right now, similar to JFK's Cuban Missile Crises. Russia is simply guarding its flank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    It's an escalation right now, similar to JFK's Cuban Missile Crises. Russia is simply guarding its flank.
    Could be. You saw where Buchanan said the U.S. should take military action off the table?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Could be. You saw where Buchanan said the U.S. should take military action off the table?
    And the truth be known, it likely isn't on the table, just blunderbus and hyperbole ...
    ... as has been going on between US and Russian since before the height of the cold war. Russia is too big for war.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post

    Russia is on God's side - Pat Buchanan


    Analyzing Vladimir Putin’s speech on the day when Russia reunited with Crimea, Pat Buchanan made a conclusion that "Russia is on God's side. The West is Gomorrah." Pat Buchanan, Former Assistant to the President for Communications gave his assessment of Putin’s actions. According to him, Russia is "planting Russia's flag firmly on the side of traditional Christianity", standing firmly in its position against reproductive choice and LGBT rights. This, according to Buchanan is the evidence that God is on Putin's side in his showdown with the West.

    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_0...Buchanan-2150/
    The nature of the "real battle for Ukraine," according to fervid anti-zionist Brother Nathanael ...
    ... he agrees with Pat Buchanan's sentiments

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    The nature of the "real battle for Ukraine," according to fervid anti-zionist Brother Nathanael ...
    ... he agrees with Pat Buchanan's sentiments

    He needs a haircut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    He needs a haircut.
    I'll tell him to call the IMF.
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    RT.com interviews Daniel McAdams, Exec Director of the Ron Paul Institute.
    He served as foreign affairs advisor to Ron Paul for 12 years.

    US hypocrisy over Ukraine ‘absolutely stunning’

    The US approach to violence in Ukraine is hypocritical, executive director of the Ron Paul Institute, Daniel McAdams, told RT. Holding an election in such a climate is impossible, yet the US will accept any result of the “wonderfully democratic” vote.

    RT:The US has repeatedly praised Kiev for trying to de-escalate the situation, yet we all saw what happened in Odessa and what looks like it was allowed to happen...How do those things tally up?

    Daniel McAdams: Well it is interesting, because in Kiev, not that many months ago, a couple of months to be exact, unarmed police forces were sent out against the violent protesters, and the US government – including the president and the secretary of state have – said they were “disgusted” by the show of force against these protesters. And you see in Ukraine, it is obvious that the government in Kiev is using the military against its own citizens. It is blockading cities, starving people out. This is exactly what the US used as a pretext for attack in places like Libya and elsewhere. So the hypocrisy of the US side is absolutely stunning.

    RT: We heard Marie Harf from the US State Department again praising Ukraine's “restraint,” where she said that Kiev has a “responsibility to maintain law and order for their own people,” and that “the onus really is on the Russian government to pull back.” What is your comment to that?

    DM: You have to wonder what reality these people are occupying. They have tried pulling a fast one, the State Department did. A couple of weeks ago when they put out those phony photos what they claimed were the Russian forces in Ukraine. The person who took those pictures, as you know, said they are completely phony. The New York Times was burned on the US State Department lies. To its credit, the NYT has actually sent some people into eastern Ukraine, and they have reported just a couple of days ago, that actually these militias don’t contain any Russians whatsoever and the people are not necessarily wanting to join Russia anyway. They are using old, worn out weapons, so the State Department just continues to pile lie upon lie. It is absolutely revolting.

    RT: Will things get better after the Ukrainian presidential elections later this month?

    DM: How can you run a presidential election when the army is firing on its own people? I have been an election monitor many times in bad situations, and it is simply impossible. Likewise, I'm afraid to say these referendums in the east will simply be ignored by the US or if this resolves, this desire will come out of presidential elections; the US and the OSCE will say, it is “wonderfully democratic.”

    RT: We are still hearing the US calling for people in the east of Ukraine to lay down their weapons, but at the same time they are backing Kiev's government crackdown...How does it add up, calling for one thing yet doing the other?

    DM: Well you see already there are reports in the German press over the weekend that the US CIA and the FBI has sent at least a couple of dozen people to advise the Ukrainian government on how to crack down. Perhaps they were advising them on assassination techniques and these sorts of things, one never knows.

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