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  • They provide the hidden truth about what is going on.

    6 60.00%
  • I like to figure out what motivates the people who develop them.

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  • They show how gullible people are.

    4 40.00%
  • They provide me with a good belly laugh.

    5 50.00%
  • Some are true.

    6 60.00%
  • All are true.

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  • They are seldom ever true.

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  • They confirm what I hate about certain groups.

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  • It's fun to speculate.

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    They sometimes confirm suspicions or inform about certain groups, especially secretive ones, like Mafia, government, CIA, NSA, etc. Trouble is, they more often than not are used by people to create bad feeling toward groups they don't like for one reason or another. But it is interesting to see to what extent people are willing to go to gin up stories about certain groups or stir up bad sentiments toward them. They also show the extreme gullibility of the public at large. If it's in print, it must be true. They often provide a good belly laugh, something that is good for your health, although at the same time, depressing when you think about how easily misled people are.
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    Always remember, if it's a conspiracy theory, it is not true.
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    Default 10 Practical Guidlines for Dealing with Conspiracy Theories

    Ten practical guidelines for dealing with conspiracy theories:
    1. Refuse to discuss any and all conspiracy theories.
    2. Assume the proponent of a conspiracy theory is either
      • putting you on
      • dumber than dirt
      • in need of professional help
    3. Do not attempt to help proponents of conspiracy theories understand your reasons for rejecting their beliefs. All you are doing is encouraging them, as their beliefs are irrational and not rooted in logic or reality, or they are insincere to begin with.
    4. Try to be respectful and polite to proponents of conspiracy theories without allowing them a platform for discussing their beliefs.
    5. If proponents of conspiracy theories don't take no for an answer, it is not rude to close the door on their foot.
    6. Remember that religion and politics are better topics of conversation than conspiracy theories.
    7. Do not let proponents of conspiracy theories shame you into listening to their theories, invoking your sense of fair play or your religious beliefs; this is a last-resort ploy.
    8. Give conspiracy theories a wide berth and you will greatly enhance the quality of your life.
    9. If necessary, give proponents of conspiracy theories a wide berth.
    10. Always remember, if it's a conspiracy theory, it is not true.
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    Default Conspiracy Theory Challenge

    So far, no conspiracy theory in the entire history of conspiracy theories has ever been proven true.

    My challenge to all conspiracy theorists-- if you have enough evidence to prove your theory, take it to court and let the court decide.

    This challenge should in itself cause the fabrication of conspiracy theories. For example,
    1. I'd take it to court, but the court system is corrupt. Or,
    2. I don't want the government to know my true identity out of fear for my life. Or,
    3. the courts themselves are brainwashed and would not be able to judge fairly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    So far, no conspiracy theory in the entire history of conspiracy theories has ever been proven true.
    Fact check needed on Aisle 2!
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    Default Recurring Conspiracy Theory Themes

    There are some prevalent and recurring themes in conspiracy theories:
    1. The government is at its core totally corrupt, and in fact, maliciously murderous. It will murder anyone or kill any number of people to maintain its power and control over the populace. Whenever a witness or potential witness dies, foul play is assumed. Whenever a high official or important and influential person is killed, or dies unexpectedly, it is the government itself that is responsible.
    2. The government commits heinous crimes to manipulate public opinion, and blames them on ___________(Muslim terrorists, white supremacists, other).
    3. The CIA and Mossad work hand in hand to execute false flag tragic events, blaming _________(Muslim terrorists, other) for those events.
    4. It's all a part of the Zionist plot to bring about a new world order with ___________ (Israel/multinational corporations/multinational bankers, Zionists, other enemy) in the power seat.
    5. The perpetrator of any tragic event is presumed innocent.
    6. All government reports are essentially cover-ups.
    7. Nothing is ever as it seems.
    These are the themes that came to mind. You may wish to add others.
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    Default Conspiracy Theory Appeal

    Conspiracy theories have great appeal as seen by the numbers of truthers regarding the events of 9/11. As I see it, conspiracy theories appeal to people:
    1. With a prejudice, or an axe to grind, against a particular person, organization, government, or other entity.
    2. Who want to believe they are insiders, persons in the know.
    3. Who want to push a particular idea, cause, philosophy, premise, -ism, prejudice, bias, etc.
    4. Who are looking for a scapegoat to blame for their unsuccessful lives.
    5. Who feel impotent and derive a certain sense of power in thinking they know the inside story.
    6. Who derive a sense of importance in denigrating powerful institutions.
    7. With too much time on their hands.
    8. Who want to feel justified in their hatred of certain people or institutions.
    9. Who are depressed, deriving a certain amount of entertainment from dwelling on conspiracy theories.
    10. Who don’t have a clue about how the world works.
    11. Who are envious of certain individuals and enjoy seeing them put in a bad light by conspiracy theories.
    12. Who fancy themselves able to deduce/intuit what happens behind closed doors.
    13. Who like intrigue.
    14. Who like to be seen by others as extremely knowledgeable.
    15. Who suffer from various degrees of paranoia.
    16. Compensating for feelings of inferiority.
    17. Who see the implausibility or falsity of the theory, and believe they can convince adherents of their error.
    You can expand this list by adding observations of your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Fact check needed on Aisle 2!
    Anyone?
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    From Blackjackinfo,com -- Chronic conspiracist: One who sees a wolf in every dog. --Aslan

    http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=107988 Post #27

    I remember posting that "a conspiracy theorist is someone who sees a snake under every rock," but I couldn't find it in Blackjackinfo.com. I can't believe I still remembered my password over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Fact check needed on Aisle 2!
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    Anyone?
    For starts - we googled: https://www.google.com/search?q=cons...es+proven+true

    9. Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but were reportedly rejected by the civilian leadership, then kept secret for nearly 40 years. Author James Bamford, “A Pretext For War”, discusses the declassified “Operation Northwoods” documents revealing that in 1962 the CIA was planning to stage phony terrorist attacks on the US and blame it on Cuba to start a war:



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    33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To
    Be True, What Every Person Should Know…


    What follows are some of these most shocking modern conspiracy theories that turned out true after thorough investigation by our society. Some through congressional hearings, others through investigative journalism. Many of these, however, were just admitted to by those involved. These are just 33 of them, and I still had a long list of others to add. There are a total of 33 in this article. Many of these are listed with original and credible news clips on the matter, as well as documentaries.

    1. The Dreyfus Affair: In the late 1800s in France, Jewish artillery officer Alfred Dreyfus was wrongfully convicted of treason based on false government documents, and sentenced to life in prison. The French government did attempt to cover this up, but Dreyfus was eventually pardoned after the affair was made public (an act that is credited to writer Émile Zola).

    2. The Mafia: This secret crime society was virtually unknown until the 1960s, when member Joe Valachi first revealed the society’s secrets to law enforcement officials. What was known was that organized crime existed, but not that the extent of their control included working with the CIA, politicians and the biggest businesses in the world.

    3. MK-ULTRA: In the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA ran a mind-control project aimed at finding a “truth serum” to use on communist spies. Test subjects were given LSD and other drugs, often without consent, and some were tortured. At least one man, civilian biochemist Frank Olson, who was working for the government, died as a result of the experiments. The project was finally exposed after investigations by the Rockefeller Commission.
    A short video about MK-ULTRA from a documentary called Secrets of the CIA:

    4. Operation Mockingbird: Also in the 1950s to ’70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated “Animal Farm,” by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975.
    5. Asbestos: Between 1930 and 1960, manufacturers did all they could to prevent the link between asbestos and respiratory diseases, including cancer, becoming known, so they could avoid prosecution. American workers had in fact sued the Johns Manville company as far back as 1932, but it was not until 1962 that epidemiologists finally established beyond any doubt what company bosses had known for a long time – asbestos causes cancer.

    6. Watergate: Republican officials spied on the Democratic National Headquarters from the Watergate Hotel in 1972. While conspiracy theories suggested underhanded dealings were taking place, it wasn’t until 1974 that White House tape recordings linked President Nixon to the break-in and forced him to resign.

    7. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: The United States Public Health Service carried out this clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease. While the study was initially supposed to last just six months, it continued for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications by the end of the study.

    > continue reading:
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Chronic conspiracist: One who sees a wolf in every dog.
    More like sees a wolf in every pack of dogs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    For starts - we googled: https://www.google.com/search?q=cons...es+proven+true

    9. Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but were reportedly rejected by the civilian leadership, then kept secret for nearly 40 years. Author James Bamford, “A Pretext For War”, discusses the declassified “Operation Northwoods” documents revealing that in 1962 the CIA was planning to stage phony terrorist attacks on the US and blame it on Cuba to start a war:

    =========

    33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To
    Be True, What Every Person Should Know…


    What follows are some of these most shocking modern conspiracy theories that turned out true after thorough investigation by our society. Some through congressional hearings, others through investigative journalism. Many of these, however, were just admitted to by those involved. These are just 33 of them, and I still had a long list of others to add. There are a total of 33 in this article. Many of these are listed with original and credible news clips on the matter, as well as documentaries.

    1. The Dreyfus Affair: In the late 1800s in France, Jewish artillery officer Alfred Dreyfus was wrongfully convicted of treason based on false government documents, and sentenced to life in prison. The French government did attempt to cover this up, but Dreyfus was eventually pardoned after the affair was made public (an act that is credited to writer Émile Zola).

    2. The Mafia: This secret crime society was virtually unknown until the 1960s, when member Joe Valachi first revealed the society’s secrets to law enforcement officials. What was known was that organized crime existed, but not that the extent of their control included working with the CIA, politicians and the biggest businesses in the world.

    3. MK-ULTRA: In the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA ran a mind-control project aimed at finding a “truth serum” to use on communist spies. Test subjects were given LSD and other drugs, often without consent, and some were tortured. At least one man, civilian biochemist Frank Olson, who was working for the government, died as a result of the experiments. The project was finally exposed after investigations by the Rockefeller Commission.
    A short video about MK-ULTRA from a documentary called Secrets of the CIA:

    4. Operation Mockingbird: Also in the 1950s to ’70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated “Animal Farm,” by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975.
    5. Asbestos: Between 1930 and 1960, manufacturers did all they could to prevent the link between asbestos and respiratory diseases, including cancer, becoming known, so they could avoid prosecution. American workers had in fact sued the Johns Manville company as far back as 1932, but it was not until 1962 that epidemiologists finally established beyond any doubt what company bosses had known for a long time – asbestos causes cancer.

    6. Watergate: Republican officials spied on the Democratic National Headquarters from the Watergate Hotel in 1972. While conspiracy theories suggested underhanded dealings were taking place, it wasn’t until 1974 that White House tape recordings linked President Nixon to the break-in and forced him to resign.

    7. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: The United States Public Health Service carried out this clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease. While the study was initially supposed to last just six months, it continued for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications by the end of the study.

    > continue reading:
    http://www.infowars.com/33-conspirac...n-should-know/
    So you're calling a planned conspiracy (Operation Northwoods) that never took place a conspiracy theory that proved true? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Always remember, if it's a conspiracy theory, it is not true.
    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff."
    Here's a good one -

    23. Kennedy Assassination – the 2nd Investigation by Congress Few People Know About, United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA): The HSCA was established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated by a conspiracy involving the mob, and potentially the CIA. The House Select Committee on Assassinations undertook reinvestigations of the murders of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. In 1979, a single Report and twelve volumes of appendices on each assassination were published by the Congress. In the JFK case, the HSCA found that there was a “probable conspiracy,” though it was unable to determine the nature of that conspiracy or its other participants (besides Oswald). This finding was based in part on acoustics evidence from a tape purported to record the shots, but was also based on other evidence including an investigation of Ruby’s mafia connections and potential CIA and/or FBI connections to Oswald. To this day, many conspiracy deniers are unaware that the Congressional investigation into JFK’s assassination concluded beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was a conspiracy.

    What made them come to this conclusion? Aside from reading the report, many witnesses (some of whom were CIA agents and station chiefs in Dallas that morning) were killed the night before testifying. For example, George de Mohrenschildt was a petroleum geologist who befriended Lee Harvey Oswald during the months preceding the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. He also worked for the CIA. He also blew his brains out the night before he was to testify to the committee. The committee also uncovered, among many things, that Oswald left the marines where he learned how to speak fluent Russian (at the height of the cold war). He was given money by the State Department to travel to Russia where he stopped off in Japan at a top secret US Military facility. The Warren Commission even mentioned this part. What most people do not know is that he probably was working in the Cold War infiltrating the Russians as either a “dangle,” “double agent,” or “defector” of some kind. What is interesting is that upon his return he got more money from the State Department to buy a house and work with an ex FBI Chief and CIA officials in training anti-Castro Cubans for an invasion. In Louisiana, where he was working, the CIA was involved in Operation Mongoose, Where Oswald worked under CIA Agent David Ferrie, who killed himself before testifying in a trial on the Assassination as well. Operation Mongoose worked closely with Southern Mafia figures largely because the casinos in Cuba, which were shut down after Fidel obtained control over the country, were epicenters for control on the island. The CIA even hired the mafia to assassinate Fidel on many occasions, 3 attempts which failed are common knowledge. What is funny is that figures who worked very close with Oswald either ended up dead (over 100 of them connected to the assassination died within a few years of unusual circumstances) or they ended up in other conspiracies.

    For instance, E Howard Hunt (CIA Agent) confessed to being involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy on his deathbed. E Howard Hunt was one of the Watergate Burglars. Barry Seal, who worked with Oswald and Ferrie ended up being one of the largest cocaine smugglers in the United States during Iran Contra, as a key player for the agency and informant for the DEA. There is so much more to get into, but there just isn’t enough time. Oswald’s tax returns are still classified top secret to this day. Why? Perhaps he was still getting $$ from the United States, which places him on the payroll. That money trail leads to figures, many of whom were murdered, that would have blown the story wide open. For 14 years, most didn’t know this.

    The HSCA investigations by congress went against the findings of the Warren Commission and both reports are from the same source, Congressional Committees. Which is true? Why do we only teach one to our children in school?

    December 30, 1978 Report on HSCA Findings:


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    You want a real-life conspiracy theory happening right now? Here it is...

    Flight 370 The CIA Hoax: Gordon Duff

    MORE: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03...x-gordon-duff/
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